I can't stand Art Bell and George Noory!
cuhulin

Who is George Noory...

Sorry, my ignorance is showing...

John

wrote in message
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I can't stand Art Bell and George Noory!
cuhulin

John Smith wrote:

Who is George Noory...

Sorry, my ignorance is showing...

Yes... you've been spewing it for days!

dxAce
Michigan
USA

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

dx-dumbarse:

Really, damn, I though you were hanging on my ever word, you cut me to
the quick! grin

John

"dxAce" wrote in message
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John Smith wrote:

Who is George Noory...

Sorry, my ignorance is showing...

Yes... you've been spewing it for days!

dxAce
Michigan
USA

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

wrote:
What is common sense? All I have is Horse sense.
cuhulin


Common sense isn't very common.

MnMikew wrote:

CW is not going to go away just because they drop the requirement.
Like Steve says, It's not that hard. Most anyone can learn 5 wpm in as
little as a month or less. I think that something worth having is
worth earning.


I say give techs a piece of HF and if they like HF, they can take the test
to get access to the rest of it. I'm half-heartedly studying for the tech
test and only really have interest in 2m right now.


Techs can listen in on the HF bands and determine if they like it. If
so, then let that serve as the incentive toward upgrading their license.
The incentive licensing has worked well up until now..if you want more
privileges, you put in the study to gain the privileges. No need to have
techs given a piece of HF, but they can earn it with the upgrade.


Bill
KC9CS
(Extra)

Hams?

Some ancient grey-haired-geriatrics passing gass and ranting that the
world is changing in ways they never dreamed possible or like?

You obviously don't know me very well.

Someone whose best argument for CW is probably based on "historical
reasons?" You propose these peoples opinions are to be considered
legit and worth taking the time to consider?

I don't propose a thing. You have me confused with someone
who really gives a hoot. You think I could care less?
It's not going to have any effect on what I do. I can already
do it all, being an extra, and nothing is going to change.

Really, you believe the world considers these people of much
consequence? Do you even think the world ever considers them as they
tap their "hobby keys?"

Who gives a rats ass what the world thinks. They aren't hams.

Get a life, put down the opium pipe, welcome back to reality!

You are one to talk. You have your head stuck so far up your
ass it would take a cement chisel to pry it out. I see you blather
your silly crap all over many groups. You are the lazy flake, not me.
You have already admitted you are a problem child of sorts, and
has to see some kind of doktor. *You* need to get back to reality.
Usenet is not reality. Even if I were smoking an opium pipe, I
could still pass that silly slow 5 wpm code test. Am I gifted?
Am I special? No. I'm just not lazy, and sit around and whine about
it all day.

ROFLOL!!!!

Doing my best "Gunny Hartman" imitation....Jeeezzuusss H. Christ,
I think he's got a hard-on....

MK

B. Otten:

I don't think anyone is going to "listen in and like it", right now
anyway.

Rather, let the techs listen in and come up with new ideas on how they
can change it and breath some new life in it... if need be, perhaps
some Chicken Banders can grab a license and add some help... then
implement them with a purpose...

No one likes change but a baby with a wet diaper--get ready baby...
grin

John

"B. Otten" wrote in message
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MnMikew wrote:

CW is not going to go away just because they drop the requirement.
Like Steve says, It's not that hard. Most anyone can learn 5 wpm in
as
little as a month or less. I think that something worth having is
worth earning.


I say give techs a piece of HF and if they like HF, they can take
the test
to get access to the rest of it. I'm half-heartedly studying for
the tech
test and only really have interest in 2m right now.


Techs can listen in on the HF bands and determine if they like it.
If so, then let that serve as the incentive toward upgrading their
license.
The incentive licensing has worked well up until now..if you want
more privileges, you put in the study to gain the privileges. No
need to have
techs given a piece of HF, but they can earn it with the upgrade.


Bill
KC9CS
(Extra)

Well son, perhaps some of those Chicken Banders have degrees in a
mental heath field... perhaps they can offer counseling and make the
transition easier...

Let's not jump to any conclusions until they get here...

John

wrote in message
oups.com...



Hams?

Some ancient grey-haired-geriatrics passing gass and ranting that
the
world is changing in ways they never dreamed possible or like?

You obviously don't know me very well.

Someone whose best argument for CW is probably based on "historical
reasons?" You propose these peoples opinions are to be considered
legit and worth taking the time to consider?

I don't propose a thing. You have me confused with someone
who really gives a hoot. You think I could care less?
It's not going to have any effect on what I do. I can already
do it all, being an extra, and nothing is going to change.

Really, you believe the world considers these people of much
consequence? Do you even think the world ever considers them as
they
tap their "hobby keys?"

Who gives a rats ass what the world thinks. They aren't hams.

Get a life, put down the opium pipe, welcome back to reality!

You are one to talk. You have your head stuck so far up your
ass it would take a cement chisel to pry it out. I see you blather
your silly crap all over many groups. You are the lazy flake, not
me.
You have already admitted you are a problem child of sorts, and
has to see some kind of doktor. *You* need to get back to reality.
Usenet is not reality. Even if I were smoking an opium pipe, I
could still pass that silly slow 5 wpm code test. Am I gifted?
Am I special? No. I'm just not lazy, and sit around and whine about
it all day.

ROFLOL!!!!

Doing my best "Gunny Hartman" imitation....Jeeezzuusss H. Christ,
I think he's got a hard-on....

MK

Mark:

Your logic and facts, as you present them, are well taken. Indeed, I
am anxious to see any arguments which are posed to the contrary...

John

"Mark Zenier" wrote in message
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In article ,
John Smith wrote:
Tell me, what is/are a legitimate argument(s) to keep CW a
requirement, which any sane man/woman could argue with real and
logical conviction?

The real reason for the Morse requirement was, (three quarters of a
century ago or so, after WW I), to maintain a pool of people that
could
be inducted into the military in times of war to maintain
communications
on the battlefield. Learning Morse is not a natural act. Nor, for
more
than a small percentage of the population, very easy. Getting a
bunch
of Signal Corps cannon fodder to train themselves was a great boon.

Back about 20 years ago, when Digital Signal Processor ICs were
first
coming out, I did a bunch of library research on the possiblity of
building a box that could match the performance of a human operator.
The newest paper I could find on the actual use of CW, in the open
literature, was from 1959. They were no longer interested in using
it.
It takes too long to train an operator, and the data transmission
capacity
is too low. And if the radio operator gets shot...

(There was, reportedly, a lot of expertise in the NSA and its
military
affiliates in automated CW intercepts, as the Soviet Union and third
world still had a lot of tactical comm. in CW at that time).

But at that same time, 20 years ago, I got some insight, (at a job
interview), into what the miltary was planning for the future. It
was
automating an entire infantry division with packet radio. Not much
reason to learn Morse code when the field radios had 20 kbps (?)
packet
modems built in, and the field officers could just plug the Grid
portable
into them.

So the military no longer has any need and it's taken 40 years
for the ham "community" to figure this out.

Mark Zenier Washington State resident