Carter - Last time I looked Rice was the Secretary of State.

Cuhulin - Just saw "BB" on TV with GHWB ~ RHF
. . . . .

"Greg" wrote in message
...


From: dxAce
Organization: Wassamatta U.
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 16:52:24 -0400
Subject: New Orleans crisis shames Americans



John Plimmer wrote:

This is the headline from this BBC report
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4210674.stm

I am proud to say that as a little old South African in a third world
country at the Southern tip of darkest Africa we had a devastating flood
in
my little town in 2002.
The skies had not even cleared from the raging storm when the air force
choppers arrived in force.
They rescued those in need, brought in emergency personnel and special
riot
police to prevent looting.
Although the flood put out water supplies, washed away our connecting
roads,
power and sewerage systems, mighty teams of specialists arrived within
hours
and all services were restored within 48 hours except the roads that
took a
few days longer. The choppers brought in food until the roads were
reconstructed.

I felt very proud to be a South African at that time and was immensely
grateful for the smooth running and super national rescue effort that
took
place seemingly so easily, like a well oiled machine.

What happened to mighty America...???

Well, we're still here... and guess what? You're still in a third world
country
that can't take care of it's own problems... do a Google on AIDS or a
host of
other problems. And guess where your little third world country has
begged in
the past? The USA. Guess where it will continue to beg in the future? The
USA.

We'll be OK... I can't really say the same for South Africa.

What did the Federal Emergency Management Agency do...???

Exactly what they're supposed to do, considering the enormity of the
problem.

Heads should roll for this debacle - it is inexcusable in a superpower
with
all America's vast resources.

I guess we'll have to decide that issue. It certainly won't be up to you
or a
third world country like South Africa to decide whether heads should or
will
roll.

Have a pleasant evening.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Um, Jack, you gotta realize that if you criticize our country a lot of
people, like the Drakeman, are going to get ****ed. You're going to catch
a
lot of heat. It's the "our country is better than your country" attitude.

The truth is, the enormity of the problem is more than the emergency
agencies had ever planned for and they are still, at this late date,
having
trouble getting their arms around it. The lack of leadership, starting
with
the president and FEMA head Michael Brown is so appalling that even
conservatives are calling for their heads. The Prez, probably at the
urging
of his handlers, cancelled his vacation and flew over the hurricane
ravaged
Gulf Coast. After considerable criticism he started making more
appearances
on camera with other federal and local officials, with lots of
back-slapping
and promises. But relief is slow and sporatic. Michael Brown admitted on
a
television interview that he was unaware that 20,000 people had been told
to
go to the convention center and wait for help. They were abandodned there
for days without food & water. He said in the interview he would take
immediate action. It was several days before help finally arrived.
Michael
Brown belongs in prison. Despite what the right-wing apologists on this
NG
might tell you, the truth is if Bush were running for re-election he would
be soundly defeated, as a result of his lack of leadership in this
enormous
tragedy as well as dissatisfaction with his handling of the Iraq situation
in the opinion of the majority of Americans.

Brace yourself - gratuitous flaming to follow.

Greg


Morning Greg

And how the head leader of "HomeLand Security" Michael Chertoff that the bow
legged hick put in charge. Even Bill O Reilly said this guy should be fired.
He had "no idea" what was going on even though it was ALL OVER THE TV ON
EVERY CHANNEL and ON THE FRONT PAGE OF EVERY NEWPAPER. He had "no idea"
people were abandoned in the Superdome.

Of course, we know he is a blatant liar like his boss bush. That has to be
the lamest excuse I ever heard. Everybody knew what was going on in NO, BUT,
the HEAD of our "Homeland Security" didn't know what was going on. If it's
true he's the most inept moron in the world in charge of our protection. If
it's a lie, he is still the most inept moron in charge of your families
protection but is also a biggot and doesn't actually believe in his faith.
Gee I thought bush {Flight Suit Man} only appointed "righteous" people??

What this event did is show the world and terrorists that the bush
administration is totally inept, nothing but "talk", all about bull****,
nothing to back themselves up, no leadership, no proper critical
communications in an emergency and how they view their own poor people.

The terrorists see a target that will collapse under easy conditions. Much
easier then they thought. This event taught them much thanks to bush and his
appointed buddies.

Now YOU ARE THE TARGET EVEN MORE then before.

I am embarrassed by bush and his total administration. Yes embarrassed by
the rest of the world. G-D forbid if this was a terrorist attack of the
deadly kind. A bio or dirty bomb and bush would go hide in some bunker along
with cheney and his gay buddy Rove.

As you can see, Homeland Security is nothing but a shame put on to impress
dunmmies like dxace, beerbrain,jd and their kind. You see, they believe it
truly exists and works. They don't think this is major catastrophe in itself
besides the hurricane. They see nothing else but "bad weather". Amazing
isn't it.

Yes, people around the world and the terrorists see who we really are and
how we act under chaos and confusion under this administration.

The hurricane happened on Monday.I still can't believe that Chertoff had the
audacity, the lack of respect for the Americans people intelligence, to say
on Thurs he had NO IDEA that people were stranded in the Superdome with NO
FOOD, WATER, MEDICINES OR SECURITY.

So by Thurs, the leader, head honcho of our "Homeland Security said, "I had
no idea" blah blah blah....

Now go be good blobs of human waste and have another beer while wearing your
Radio cap and living off the public.

Lucky

I just heard on local radio that at this time,only emergency personel
and utility workers will be allowed South of the Railroad tracks in
Gulfport.There is a gas leak South of the Railroad tracks.Gulfport and
Biloxi are NOT gone,they are coming back.
cuhulin

"Mark Zenier" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Greg wrote:
Oh yeah? You obviously didn't catch Cigar Dave yesterday (12:00 noon EDT,
970am, Tampa)! He's a conservative, Republican, Bush supporter who was so
hot with criticism he was lit at both ends.

Seriously, a common theme I'm hearing on conservative radio talk shows, as
well as the opinion mongers n the "liberal" mainstream media is that FEMA,
Homeland Security, and everyone up the food chain to POTUS his-very-self,
are ill-prepared and slow to react. This bodes ill for any more
catastrophes, natural or terrorist-made, in the future.

I've got a couple of questions?

1. How exaggerated was the TV coverage of the sniping?
How many incidents, and what areas were actually effected?

2. Did the media coveage cause the FEMA executives to shut down
access to New Orleans on the grounds of safety? If not safety,
why? And why where highway style busses needed to evacuate
the Superdome? Wouldn't a "Dunkirk with Dumptrucks" have worked
several days earlier? (Who go the contract to provide the busses?)

3. Would a lot of this not have happened this way if federal
bureaucrats were banned from watching any 24 hour cable news
channels?

CNN lost all credibilty with me during the coverage of the First Gulf War
that the local TV stations were rebroadcasting. Sloppy, overdramatic,
inaccurate, and STUPID. And to get FOX news, just add a large factor
of blatant lying and partisan propaganda. They're not news, they're a
form of "Reality TV" where the news editors and meat puppets out in the
field are making up a "story" to add drama to real events.

Mark Zenier
Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com)


Yes Mark,

Fox news to me is a gov't channel. They do lie, make money by exploiting the
dead, make believe they are against a lot of things bush and his
administration does, but they do that to gain more audience by not
alienating the left completely. This means more hits for them to show
companies for commercials which means higher rates and more cash in their
greedy little pockets.

The hand pick their employees just right.
Are they "on our side"? Do they have believable and trusting faces? Can they
lie good? Are they true republican supporters?

It's funny how O Reilly exploits whatever and whomever he can. But did he
talk about the new eminent domain laws?

NO

Did he talk about Jeff Gannon, the homosexual G.I. hooker and prostitute
who had security clearance to enter and roam the White House at his own
will?

NO he never covered the topic. Never.

IF this was done by Democratics, you KNOW how he would have talked about it
for weeks in a row. Look how they covered Clinton and his little affair? Can
you just imagine what these holy right wingers would have done with this
story were it Dems who did it??

The media in this country is tightly controlled. They are owned and run by
highly motivated political power players like Rupert Murdoch. News Corp and
Fox news for example.

Take our radio stations. The majority are run by a couple companies and
people with political connections.

You can't get the real truth anymore. At least on SW you can get some real
views by outside governments who are NOT SCARED of bush and his power
connections. Good for them.

But, as David stated here once, they are trying to do away with that source
of info too.

Lucky

"Carter-K8VT" wrote in message
...

You're reading waaay too much into this...let me try to summarize:

1) The *original* poster made the comment that W and Condi were gadding
about.

2) *You* then posted that Slick Willy was gadding about.

3) *I* then posted that your comment about Slick Willy was not germane to
the conversation because he, by virtue of being a plain citizen, is in
charge of nothing.

-=jd=- wrote:

Then what's your point?

My point is that your comment about Slick Willy was a non sequitur.

Simple. Nothing more, nothing less. Get it now?

He doesn't know **how to get it. He doesn't see it, feel it, or understand
what you are trying to say to him. Waste of time IMO but I think you're
astute enough to find that out on your own.

He used that on me too. He has nothing of substance to say in his defense of
the topic. So, he pulls whatever he can out of his ass, not his brain. Next,
he'll be attacking you personally.

Lucky

What we need is nienty nine point nienty nine percent LESS govt.Starting
from the top level down.They should ALL be FIRED.So,I wonder where bush
will be having his stupid staged Photo Ops today? I hope he stays OUT!
of Mississippi so Mississippi can get on with rebuilding after Katrina.
cuhulin

Lucky wrote:

"Greg" wrote in message
...


From: dxAce
Organization: Wassamatta U.
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 16:52:24 -0400
Subject: New Orleans crisis shames Americans



John Plimmer wrote:

This is the headline from this BBC report
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4210674.stm

I am proud to say that as a little old South African in a third world
country at the Southern tip of darkest Africa we had a devastating flood
in
my little town in 2002.
The skies had not even cleared from the raging storm when the air force
choppers arrived in force.
They rescued those in need, brought in emergency personnel and special
riot
police to prevent looting.
Although the flood put out water supplies, washed away our connecting
roads,
power and sewerage systems, mighty teams of specialists arrived within
hours
and all services were restored within 48 hours except the roads that
took a
few days longer. The choppers brought in food until the roads were
reconstructed.

I felt very proud to be a South African at that time and was immensely
grateful for the smooth running and super national rescue effort that
took
place seemingly so easily, like a well oiled machine.

What happened to mighty America...???

Well, we're still here... and guess what? You're still in a third world
country
that can't take care of it's own problems... do a Google on AIDS or a
host of
other problems. And guess where your little third world country has
begged in
the past? The USA. Guess where it will continue to beg in the future? The
USA.

We'll be OK... I can't really say the same for South Africa.

What did the Federal Emergency Management Agency do...???

Exactly what they're supposed to do, considering the enormity of the
problem.

Heads should roll for this debacle - it is inexcusable in a superpower
with
all America's vast resources.

I guess we'll have to decide that issue. It certainly won't be up to you
or a
third world country like South Africa to decide whether heads should or
will
roll.

Have a pleasant evening.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Um, Jack, you gotta realize that if you criticize our country a lot of
people, like the Drakeman, are going to get ****ed. You're going to catch
a
lot of heat. It's the "our country is better than your country" attitude.

The truth is, the enormity of the problem is more than the emergency
agencies had ever planned for and they are still, at this late date,
having
trouble getting their arms around it. The lack of leadership, starting
with
the president and FEMA head Michael Brown is so appalling that even
conservatives are calling for their heads. The Prez, probably at the
urging
of his handlers, cancelled his vacation and flew over the hurricane
ravaged
Gulf Coast. After considerable criticism he started making more
appearances
on camera with other federal and local officials, with lots of
back-slapping
and promises. But relief is slow and sporatic. Michael Brown admitted on
a
television interview that he was unaware that 20,000 people had been told
to
go to the convention center and wait for help. They were abandodned there
for days without food & water. He said in the interview he would take
immediate action. It was several days before help finally arrived.
Michael
Brown belongs in prison. Despite what the right-wing apologists on this
NG
might tell you, the truth is if Bush were running for re-election he would
be soundly defeated, as a result of his lack of leadership in this
enormous
tragedy as well as dissatisfaction with his handling of the Iraq situation
in the opinion of the majority of Americans.

Brace yourself - gratuitous flaming to follow.

Greg


Morning Greg

And how the head leader of "HomeLand Security" Michael Chertoff that the bow
legged hick put in charge. Even Bill O Reilly said this guy should be fired.
He had "no idea" what was going on even though it was ALL OVER THE TV ON
EVERY CHANNEL and ON THE FRONT PAGE OF EVERY NEWPAPER. He had "no idea"
people were abandoned in the Superdome.

Of course, we know he is a blatant liar like his boss bush. That has to be
the lamest excuse I ever heard. Everybody knew what was going on in NO, BUT,
the HEAD of our "Homeland Security" didn't know what was going on. If it's
true he's the most inept moron in the world in charge of our protection. If
it's a lie, he is still the most inept moron in charge of your families
protection but is also a biggot and doesn't actually believe in his faith.
Gee I thought bush {Flight Suit Man} only appointed "righteous" people??

What this event did is show the world and terrorists that the bush
administration is totally inept, nothing but "talk", all about bull****,
nothing to back themselves up, no leadership, no proper critical
communications in an emergency and how they view their own poor people.

The terrorists see a target that will collapse under easy conditions. Much
easier then they thought. This event taught them much thanks to bush and his
appointed buddies.

Now YOU ARE THE TARGET EVEN MORE then before.

I am embarrassed by bush and his total administration. Yes embarrassed by
the rest of the world. G-D forbid if this was a terrorist attack of the
deadly kind. A bio or dirty bomb and bush would go hide in some bunker along
with cheney and his gay buddy Rove.

As you can see, Homeland Security is nothing but a shame put on to impress
dunmmies like dxace, beerbrain,jd and their kind. You see, they believe it
truly exists and works. They don't think this is major catastrophe in itself
besides the hurricane. They see nothing else but "bad weather". Amazing
isn't it.

Yes, people around the world and the terrorists see who we really are and
how we act under chaos and confusion under this administration.

The hurricane happened on Monday.I still can't believe that Chertoff had the
audacity, the lack of respect for the Americans people intelligence, to say
on Thurs he had NO IDEA that people were stranded in the Superdome with NO
FOOD, WATER, MEDICINES OR SECURITY.

So by Thurs, the leader, head honcho of our "Homeland Security said, "I had
no idea" blah blah blah....

Now go be good blobs of human waste and have another beer while wearing your
Radio cap and living off the public.

The other day it was a Diego Garcia cap, today it's a radio cap.

You are one delusional ****stain there boy!

Now go take your meds and calm down.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

RHF wrote:
Carter - Last time I looked Rice was the Secretary of State.
.
So... Tell Me "Carter" Is the City of New Orleans a Nation-State
that requires her personal attention ? Or ar you just looking
to blame some one in the Bush Administration who happens to be
and African-America (Black) ?
.


Rice has no place in NO offering pronouncements on a domestic policy
issue and being seen loading groceries into a pickup for photo op's.
But Bush is quite adept at playing race cards as needed. Also look at
the verbally challenged Light General Russell Honore who heads the
rescue effort. Not a random choice imho.

Lucky wrote:

"Mark Zenier" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Greg wrote:
Oh yeah? You obviously didn't catch Cigar Dave yesterday (12:00 noon EDT,
970am, Tampa)! He's a conservative, Republican, Bush supporter who was so
hot with criticism he was lit at both ends.

Seriously, a common theme I'm hearing on conservative radio talk shows, as
well as the opinion mongers n the "liberal" mainstream media is that FEMA,
Homeland Security, and everyone up the food chain to POTUS his-very-self,
are ill-prepared and slow to react. This bodes ill for any more
catastrophes, natural or terrorist-made, in the future.

I've got a couple of questions?

1. How exaggerated was the TV coverage of the sniping?
How many incidents, and what areas were actually effected?

2. Did the media coveage cause the FEMA executives to shut down
access to New Orleans on the grounds of safety? If not safety,
why? And why where highway style busses needed to evacuate
the Superdome? Wouldn't a "Dunkirk with Dumptrucks" have worked
several days earlier? (Who go the contract to provide the busses?)

3. Would a lot of this not have happened this way if federal
bureaucrats were banned from watching any 24 hour cable news
channels?

CNN lost all credibilty with me during the coverage of the First Gulf War
that the local TV stations were rebroadcasting. Sloppy, overdramatic,
inaccurate, and STUPID. And to get FOX news, just add a large factor
of blatant lying and partisan propaganda. They're not news, they're a
form of "Reality TV" where the news editors and meat puppets out in the
field are making up a "story" to add drama to real events.

Mark Zenier
Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com)


Yes Mark,

Fox news to me is a gov't channel. They do lie, make money by exploiting the
dead, make believe they are against a lot of things bush and his
administration does, but they do that to gain more audience by not
alienating the left completely. This means more hits for them to show
companies for commercials which means higher rates and more cash in their
greedy little pockets.

The hand pick their employees just right.
Are they "on our side"? Do they have believable and trusting faces? Can they
lie good? Are they true republican supporters?

It's funny how O Reilly exploits whatever and whomever he can. But did he
talk about the new eminent domain laws?

NO

Did he talk about Jeff Gannon, the homosexual G.I. hooker and prostitute
who had security clearance to enter and roam the White House at his own
will?

NO he never covered the topic. Never.

IF this was done by Democratics, you KNOW how he would have talked about it
for weeks in a row. Look how they covered Clinton and his little affair? Can
you just imagine what these holy right wingers would have done with this
story were it Dems who did it??

The media in this country is tightly controlled. They are owned and run by
highly motivated political power players like Rupert Murdoch. News Corp and
Fox news for example.

Take our radio stations. The majority are run by a couple companies and
people with political connections.

You can't get the real truth anymore. At least on SW you can get some real
views by outside governments who are NOT SCARED of bush and his power
connections. Good for them.

But, as David stated here once, they are trying to do away with that source
of info too.

Calm down and take your meds.

By the way, after that eBay debacle and the current bunch of crap you're spewing
here, wouldn't you think it appropriate to change your name from "Lucky" to
"Stupid"?

Now run along and see if mommy will let you pretend you're playing with your
radio.

dxAce
Michigan
USA