"Bill Turner" wrote in message
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On Mon, 05 Jun 2006 23:59:38 -0500, "David G. Nagel"
wrote:

The problem with the newbys with nocode techs is that they don't realize
that knowing the code is just as important as knowing how to press the
on/off button.

Dave WD9BDZ

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"Just as important"?

Boggles the mind.

73, Bill W6WRT
49 yr ham, Extra Class

I don't think you can really expect the newbies to want/desire to know that
which they know may be being phased out soon. Why worry about learning it if
they know it will soon be gone?

I am of the opinion that a 5 WPM at least - should be kept on as a
requirement - as someday - it may be needed. Think not? Say you're in the
midst of an attack - of terrorism, a war on our homefront OR a large scale
natural disaster, a microphone isn't working or available. You can key the
radio but don't know code - now what? With code, even at 5 WPM - you could
get some very important information to those needing it to help save you -
to them. You could tell them WITH code, what is needed, exact whereabouts,
how many people involved, etc........ Just clicking a mic pin with a wire
won't tell anyone anything and could delay any help or a response big enough
to do much good. In these times with the large scale disasters as we've seen
and attacks - even for any said to be planned, NOW is a good time to WANT to
know code. IT may save you........ It is one of those skills you learn -
just like CPR or whatever - you hope you never have to use, but you're glad
you have it - when you need it.

5 WPM is NOT hard to learn or do. ANYONE with any interest can learn it in a
month at most if you take x amount of characters a day and start using them.
Many learn it sooner but it shouldn't take more than a month to get to 5
WPM. "I" know how I learned it but my method won't work for all, just as
others didn't work for me. But the main thing is, you must "want" to learn
it. If you were 16 and didn't want to learn to drive a car - plain and
simple your driving days would be non-existant or very short lived at best-
point being MOST 16 year olds WANT to learn to drive. YOU HAVE TO WANT IT.

Many of you may have heard of the Quecreek Mine incident in PA some time
ago. A pipe was drilled down into the shaft. Those at the surface heard 9
taps on it, signifying there were 9 miners there. NOW - if any of those
miners KNEW code, they could have gotten a message to the surface as to what
conditions were exactly, the extent of injuries as best they could, etc.
Maybe even instructions to help those on the surface plan their moves a tad
better. Luckily, the 9 were saved but that is an example of just those 9
taps - crude MORSE - which sent a valid message. Were it not for that, no
one would have known they were alive until someone may have went in. AND -
MAYBE - those digging operations after a couple hours would have slowed due
to lost hope. The fact they knew those guys were still alive gave them
urgency to press on......... Code CAN have a place in your life.

clfe

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"Bill Turner" wrote in message
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On Mon, 05 Jun 2006 23:59:38 -0500, "David G. Nagel"
wrote:

The problem with the newbys with nocode techs is that they don't realize
that knowing the code is just as important as knowing how to press the
on/off button.

Dave WD9BDZ

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

"Just as important"?

Boggles the mind.

73, Bill W6WRT
49 yr ham, Extra Class

I don't think you can really expect the newbies to want/desire to know
that which they know may be being phased out soon. Why worry about
learning it if they know it will soon be gone?

I am of the opinion that a 5 WPM at least - should be kept on as a
requirement - as someday - it may be needed. Think not? Say you're in the
midst of an attack - of terrorism, a war on our homefront OR a large scale
natural disaster, a microphone isn't working or available. You can key the
radio but don't know code - now what? With code, even at 5 WPM - you could
get some very important information to those needing it to help save you -
to them. You could tell them WITH code, what is needed, exact whereabouts,
how many people involved, etc........ Just clicking a mic pin with a wire
won't tell anyone anything and could delay any help or a response big
enough to do much good. In these times with the large scale disasters as
we've seen and attacks - even for any said to be planned, NOW is a good
time to WANT to know code. IT may save you........ It is one of those
skills you learn - just like CPR or whatever - you hope you never have to
use, but you're glad you have it - when you need it.

5 WPM is NOT hard to learn or do. ANYONE with any interest can learn it in
a month at most if you take x amount of characters a day and start using
them. Many learn it sooner but it shouldn't take more than a month to get
to 5 WPM. "I" know how I learned it but my method won't work for all, just
as others didn't work for me. But the main thing is, you must "want" to
learn it. If you were 16 and didn't want to learn to drive a car - plain
and simple your driving days would be non-existant or very short lived at
best- point being MOST 16 year olds WANT to learn to drive. YOU HAVE TO
WANT IT.

Many of you may have heard of the Quecreek Mine incident in PA some time
ago. A pipe was drilled down into the shaft. Those at the surface heard 9
taps on it, signifying there were 9 miners there. NOW - if any of those
miners KNEW code, they could have gotten a message to the surface as to
what conditions were exactly, the extent of injuries as best they could,
etc. Maybe even instructions to help those on the surface plan their moves
a tad better. Luckily, the 9 were saved but that is an example of just
those 9 taps - crude MORSE - which sent a valid message. Were it not for
that, no one would have known they were alive until someone may have went
in. AND - MAYBE - those digging operations after a couple hours would have
slowed due to lost hope. The fact they knew those guys were still alive
gave them urgency to press on......... Code CAN have a place in your life.

clfe


One other thing........ I cut my teeth on CB back when the FCC was busting
CBers regularly for violations. I then got into Ham and Electronics. ALL
radio services "CAN" and "DO" have a place when it comes to chatting,
information exchange OR emergencies. ALL groups "can" work in unison for the
betterment of mankind if desired. Ham has it's place. CB was used mostly by
those such as "Auxiliary Police" - where not everyone had to have a "code"
much less a license to have studied for - to use radios for their purposes.
SEAT-REACT when operated properly was as useful as the Ham groups for
emergencies.
At one time, I belonged to REACT and some local Ham groups. I'm heavily
involved in Public Safety - so I got the best of both worlds. The REACT team
died and if I'm not mistaken, maybe the founding unit. Believe me - in a
HUGE disaster our fire band was SWAMPED. Ham and CB alike WERE IMPORTANT.
I had information on both coming to me - which was of enormous help. I was
getting information that was not able to be had via the Fire Radio - due to
it being so laden with traffic. I often use FRS radios now too - to avoid
tying up the Fire Frequencies here. I USE WHAT I MUST to get the job done.

clfe

An EMA Coordinator/Firefighter - line officer and former medic - self
employed in radio.

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On Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:54:14 -0400, "clfe" wrote:


One other thing........ I cut my teeth on CB back when the FCC was busting
CBers regularly for violations. I then got into Ham and Electronics.

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Your CB origin is showing. "Ham" is an adjective, not a noun. One does
not "get into ham", one "gets into ham radio".

10-4?

Bill, W6WRT

Bill Turner wrote:
"Ham" is an adjective, not a noun.

Are you a ham? :-)
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73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

Your CB origin is showing. "Ham" is an adjective, not a noun. One does
not "get into ham", one "gets into ham radio".

10-4?

Bill, W6WRT

Gee, Bill. That's mighty specific. But since you brought it up. "Ham"
can be used as a proper noun: "I'm a Ham". Not everyone goes to the
trouble of saying "ham radio operator".

It's also a sandwich.

"Bill Turner" wrote in message
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On Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:54:14 -0400, "clfe" wrote:


One other thing........ I cut my teeth on CB back when the FCC was busting
CBers regularly for violations. I then got into Ham and Electronics.

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

Your CB origin is showing. "Ham" is an adjective, not a noun. One does
not "get into ham", one "gets into ham radio".

10-4?

Bill, W6WRT


For christ's sakes - a misuse of words - so what........ I'm not an English
Major. If that is all you can find to run off at the mouth about, why
bother?

clfe wrote:
Many of you may have heard of the Quecreek Mine incident in PA some time
ago. A pipe was drilled down into the shaft. Those at the surface heard 9
taps on it, signifying there were 9 miners there. NOW - if any of those
miners KNEW code, they could have gotten a message to the surface as to what
conditions were exactly, the extent of injuries as best they could, etc.

Not by tapping. International Morse requires dashes as well
as taps (dots). There is a tap code used in prisons that will
accomplish communications under those circumstances. And since
more people have been in prison than hold an amateur radio
license, seems that it would make more sense to require knowing
the tap code than to require knowing International Morse code.
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73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
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clfe wrote:
Many of you may have heard of the Quecreek Mine incident in PA some time
ago. A pipe was drilled down into the shaft. Those at the surface heard 9
taps on it, signifying there were 9 miners there. NOW - if any of those
miners KNEW code, they could have gotten a message to the surface as to
what conditions were exactly, the extent of injuries as best they could,
etc.

Not by tapping. International Morse requires dashes as well
as taps (dots). There is a tap code used in prisons that will
accomplish communications under those circumstances. And since
more people have been in prison than hold an amateur radio
license, seems that it would make more sense to require knowing
the tap code than to require knowing International Morse code.
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73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

DUH - I KNOW THAT - I was just saying the tapping let the people at the
surface know there were 9 people down there. MORSE CODE - "could" have
relayed much more info if one of them knew it. REREAD my message.......

I am fully aware of what "code" is, I'm an Extra myself - have been for
quite some time. I am also a VE Test Team leader.

clfe

clfe wrote:
DUH - I KNOW THAT - I was just saying the tapping let the people at the
surface know there were 9 people down there. MORSE CODE - "could" have
relayed much more info if one of them knew it. REREAD my message.......

How do you send a 'dash' by tapping on a pipe? You
apparently could revolutionize prison communications
by providing an answer to that simple question.
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73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
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clfe wrote:
How do you send a 'dash' by tapping on a pipe? You
apparently could revolutionize prison communications
by providing an answer to that simple question.
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73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

How about a fast double tap on the pipe (or bar) to signify a "dash"? It's
not an elegant solution, but could be made to work. Those guys are probably
not gonna try for 30 characters per minute anyway.

Harold
KD5SAK