Cecil Moore wrote:
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No aether.

Are you saying there's no structure to space?

Do you have references that say otherwise?

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Cecil Moore wrote:
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Go argue with the standards people.

I have no argument with the standards people. My
argument is with the people who take present
day seconds and lay them end-to-end back to the
Big Bang to ascertain the age of the universe.
Today's second may be the first time the second
has ever had that particular value. The first
second was likely many magnitudes longer than
the present day second.

Do you have any references that indicate that this may be true or are
you just pulling it out of your ass?

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Cecil Moore wrote:
Jim Kelley wrote:
You'd have to be able to demonstrate that relativistic effects single
out particular units of measurement to the exclusion of others without
having an effect on the observed phenomena and all within the same
reference frame before being able to substantiate any claim that the
result of a particular measurement is arbitrary. Can you demonstrate that?

Relativistic effects certainly single out measurements
of time - also length in the direction of velocity.

It has been demonstrated numerous times that the velocity
of a clock affects the length of its second. What is
the velocity of the cesium clock on Earth?

Zero by definition.

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Cecil Moore wrote:
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Where is your proof cesium didn't exist between the time of the big
bang and the first supernova.

Are you kidding? Iron is the heaviest element possible
before the first supernova.

References?

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Cecil Moore wrote:

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Cecil:

You might as well give up.

Every year, at probably every college, the entry level physics classes,
math classes, CS classes start up full. At the end of the quarter or
semester most are only 25%-50% full--those students suddenly decided to
follow another course of study and are consulting with their counselors.

So, sometimes, it is that way in life ... but you sure got determination!

Regards,
JS

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of a clock affects the length of its second. What is
the velocity of the cesium clock on Earth?

Zero by definition.


Now, that is quite easily proved to be FALSE.

The earth is 25,000 miles in circumference, it makes one revolution a day.

25,000mph/24hrs is over 1,000mph. As you sit there typing you are
traveling over 1,000mph, and so is every cesium clock on earth.

JS

Cecil Moore wrote:
Jimmie D wrote:
No problem with 0 frequency or 0 energy being released from a particle
traveling at the speed of light relative to that partcle.Negative
frequency? all our current laws of physics have just been trashed if
we can do that.

Not at all. Assume two planets are traveling in opposite
directions away from a reference point in space. With
respect to that reference point, each is traveling at
3/4 the speed of light in opposite directions. Calculate
the red shift from one planet to the other and one comes
up with a negative frequency.

We are likely to discover some day that gravity is a
function of the relative velocity of the Earth through
the ether. At least that's what my alien buddies say.


Cec;

Been there, argued that, the mathematicians shot me down. It just don't
happen that way. Sorry Man.

Dave N

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I showed you my references, now you show me yours.

Simply Google "zero-point energy". Here's a quote from
"Alpha and Omega", by Seife. "In the 1930's, though,
quantum physicists discovered, much to their surprise,
that the vacuum isn't ever truly empty. It is seething
with activity, filled to the brim with particles and
energy. ... Empty space is an incredibly complex
substance, and scientists are just beginning to
understand its properties."

Here's another:
http://www.journaloftheoretics.com/L...ers/Setter.pdf

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73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

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Do you have any references that indicate that this may be true or are
you just pulling it out of your ass?

The Big Bang was most likely the biggest black hole
ever. Know what happens to time around a black hole?
The velocities after the Big Bang must have been close
to the speed of light. Know what happens to time
under those circumstances?
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73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

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Cecil Moore wrote:
It has been demonstrated numerous times that the velocity
of a clock affects the length of its second. What is
the velocity of the cesium clock on Earth?

Zero by definition.

Just as the Earth was the center of the universe by
definition.
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73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com