wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:
Are you kidding? Iron is the heaviest element possible
before the first supernova.

References?

Good grief. Google "element formation".
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/milkyway-00b.html
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73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Cecil Moore wrote:
wrote:
Do you have any references that indicate that this may be true or are
you just pulling it out of your ass?

The Big Bang was most likely the biggest black hole
ever. Know what happens to time around a black hole?
The velocities after the Big Bang must have been close
to the speed of light. Know what happens to time
under those circumstances?

I do ...

It gets "Shot to H*LL!"

Regards,
JS

Cecil Moore wrote:

...
Just as the Earth was the center of the universe by
definition.

Let's ask NASA how they keep the atomic clock on board the space station
in sync with those on earth? Even in synchronous orbit, that space
station has to "race" (travel faster) to keep up ...

Regards,
JS

David G. Nagel wrote:

...
Cec;

Been there, argued that, the mathematicians shot me down. It just don't
happen that way. Sorry Man.

Dave N

David:

If there is one thing you will have to learn, DON'T TRUST MATHEMATICIANS!

Think about it man, what would they have told you before the "Quantum
Effects" were discovered, if you had suggested such a phenomenon? ... I
bet they would have told you, you were nuts, and gone on to prove it
mathematically! In some situations, mathematicians are barely better
than tea leave readers.

Regards,
JS

On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:56:01 -0800, John Smith I
wrote:
Have you read about the quantum phenomenon(s) which begin when you even
start getting close to absolute zero?

An example of the conflict between show and tell. Surprisingly you
offer to neither show, nor tell what happens... which leaves us with
your statement:

I can just imagine attempting
logical measurements ...

Luckily, those who practice the trade have skipped the part of
imagining and just accomplish it instead.

This gives a "glimpse" of what I mean, the above was vague ...

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasc...9/phy99194.htm

Given the reference (a painfully pretentious website with as much
armchair theory offered as in this thread), you must have misspelled
vogue.

The forced argument (a strawman at that) of motion ceasing went out
with fringe topped surries. Now THAT (motion? what motion?) is vague
in the extreme given there are a considerable number of dynamics that
occur at the 0°K atomic scale. Are we suppose that electrons in their
orbits at 1°µK will collapse into the nucleus (permenantly frozen into
inaction) with the final chilling tweak? What a larf!

These akademik arguments only need the added stipulation that you have
to exhibit an absolute zero beer cooler that will hold the temperature
throughout the Super Bowl.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:00:07 -0800, Jim Kelley
quoting Brett:

Name me one instance where anyone has achieved taking a cesium atom to
absolute zero ...

Two Nobel prizes were won for doing this with Rubidium. Some may
recall that I already cited that as the other frequency standard
element (although rarely used as it is inferior to Cesium).

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 01:04:43 GMT, Cecil Moore not
un-misexpurgated:

Things
that don't exist generally act differently from things
that do exist.

The solution to the missing Weapons of Mass Destruction that failed
making it into another Texan's speech this week. I suppose it got
transliterated into a proposal:
The dead need a better health care system.

David G. Nagel wrote:
Been there, argued that, the mathematicians shot me down. It just don't
happen that way. Sorry Man.

Ever looked at what non-locality does to mathematics?
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Richard Clark wrote:
Are we suppose that electrons in their
orbits at 1°µK will collapse into the nucleus (permenantly frozen into
inaction) with the final chilling tweak?

From: http://www.calphysics.org/zpe.html

"Zero-point energy is the energy that remains when all other
energy is removed from a system. This behaviour is demonstrated
by, for example, liquid helium. As the temperature is lowered
to absolute zero, helium remains a liquid, rather than freezing
to a solid, owing to the irremovable zero-point energy of its
atomic motions."
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73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

David G. Nagel wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:
We are likely to discover some day that gravity is a
function of the relative velocity of the Earth through
the ether. At least that's what my alien buddies say.

Been there, argued that, the mathematicians shot me down. It just don't
happen that way. Sorry Man.

From: http://www.calphysics.org/zpe.html

"SED studies published in the 1990s showed that a massless
point-charge oscillator accelerating through the zero-point
field will experience a Lorentz force (from the magnetic
components of the zero-point fluctuations) that turns out to
be directly proportional to acceleration, ... This points to
the *electromagnetic quantum vacuum as the origin* of forces
which appear as *inertial mass*."
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73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com