John Smith I wrote:
Christopher Cox wrote:

...
This has nothing to do with the Internet or code tapping amateurs.

It has to do with some intellectually devoid engineers challenging the
reality of the Nyquist rate and placing a device on the only radio
frequencys that can be naturally propagated through out the planet.

This group will be beaming porn wirelessly throughout the world, what
an accomplishment. They should feel proud!


Chris

The old failed logic recycled one more time; go keep track of who had
licenses before code was dropped ... eat your lotus blossoms--it always
worked before ...

The idea that BPL cam about in order to punish Hams who like Morse code
is a new one.

- 73 de Mike KB3EIa -

John Smith I wrote:
Christopher Cox wrote:

...

This has nothing to do with the Internet or code tapping amateurs.

It has to do with some intellectually devoid engineers challenging the
reality of the Nyquist rate and placing a device on the only radio
frequencys that can be naturally propagated through out the planet.

This group will be beaming porn wirelessly throughout the world, what
an accomplishment. They should feel proud!


Chris


The old failed logic recycled one more time; go keep track of who had
licenses before code was dropped ... eat your lotus blossoms--it always
worked before ...

JS

John,

You are making some poor assumptions. I do not frequent the radio HF
spectrum. While I have operated CW before, it has been years ago,
largely to gain privileges to HF. I make my living in the Voip/Data
world and would like to push broadband consumption like a utility.

That being said, I liken BPL to pee'ing into a stream. While I might not
get my drinking water from it, someone or thing probably does. Just
because BPL is not polluting spectrum I might be using today does not
mean its not polluting someone else. Additionally, BPL's maximum data
rate of 2 Mbps makes it late coming and soon not even considered broadband.

I do not understand why you would fight for something you probably would
not even want in the future. Lets lay down some fiber, or at least
twisted pair.

The facts are old, arguments for BPL vary because of their faulty logic,
not the other way around.

Chris

Christopher Cox wrote:
John Smith I wrote:
Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:

...

It was "your" choice, Google and their BPL, or Ham radio. Which did
you decide?

Geoff.


When the sword challenged the rock, the sword won. When the gun
challenged the sword, the gun won. When the automobile challenged the
horse, the auto won. When the washing machine challenged the
washboard, the machine won. When tubes challenged the spark-gap
xmitter, the tube won. When penicillin challenged herbs, penicillin
won. When the birth control pill challenged the condom, the pill won.

Now the internet challenges code tapping amateurs ...

Regards,
JS

This has nothing to do with the Internet or code tapping amateurs.

It has to do with some intellectually devoid engineers challenging the
reality of the Nyquist rate and placing a device on the only radio
frequencys that can be naturally propagated through out the planet.

It is a political process more than an engineering one. The idea that
you "just" plug into the wall socket for your internet is almost
irresistible to people who don't actually know how things actually work.

Very few things "just" work.



This group will be beaming porn wirelessly throughout the world, what an
accomplishment. They should feel proud!

Oh, BPL will fail, either through pure technical flopping, or the
marketplace moving on. None of the arguments for it hold water. My
favorite is the argument that it will provide internet service for
people in remote areas where they can't get service now. Presumably they
don't have service because there isn't any fiber nearby, where other BB
providers pick up their signals, and distribute them.

All they have to do is run the fiber to these underserved areas. (we
all do know that BPL is a last mile delivery service don't we?) Of
course that means there will be fiber in the area, so the other
providers can come in and beat the pants off of BPL in terms of speed
and reliability.

- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -

Michael Coslo wrote:

...
Oh, BPL will fail, either through pure technical flopping, or the
marketplace moving on. None of the arguments for it hold water. My
...

Could be ... these things have a way of working themselves out ... time
will tell ... I wouldn't count on it failing though. I'd count on new
technology being developed which makes it even more desirable, something
shown by history as much more likely.

JS

On Aug 16, 12:03 am, John Smith I wrote:
Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:

...

It was "your" choice, Google and their BPL, or Ham radio.
Which did you decide?

Geoff.

When the sword challenged the rock, the sword won. When the gun
challenged the sword, the gun won. When the automobile challenged the
horse, the auto won. When the washing machine challenged the washboard,
the machine won. When tubes challenged the spark-gap xmitter, the tube
won. When penicillin challenged herbs, penicillin won. When the birth
control pill challenged the condom, the pill won.

Now the internet challenges code tapping amateurs ...

When my henry 2k classic and yagi pointed at the power line challenges
BPL...
Hummmm, this could get ugly... No matter what mode I use. BPL is a two
lane highway. I should be as much of a pest them to them, as them to
me..
Two weeks of me, and I'll have the BPL/power company speaking in
tongues if
they ever decide to install that mess around here.
MK

wrote:

...
When my henry 2k classic and yagi pointed at the power line challenges
BPL...
Hummmm, this could get ugly... No matter what mode I use. BPL is a two
lane highway. I should be as much of a pest them to them, as them to
me..
Two weeks of me, and I'll have the BPL/power company speaking in
tongues if
they ever decide to install that mess around here.
MK


You just don't get the power of digital do you? Or, the laws which will
come ... however, confiscation of that ancient and moth ridden amp and
the fine which will be imposed will be something sane men will wish to
avoid ... I have a 5KW (never run over a calif kilo of input though :-)
)russian amp, its' last days are in sight :-(

JS

On Aug 16, 9:21 am, John Smith I wrote:


You just don't get the power of digital do you? Or, the laws which will
come ... however, confiscation of that ancient and moth ridden amp and
the fine which will be imposed will be something sane men will wish to
avoid ... I have a 5KW (never run over a calif kilo of input though :-)
)russian amp, its' last days are in sight :-(

JS

How would I get fined for pointing my antenna to Europe? It legal for
me to point my antenna to Europe, run an amp, and talk all day if
I want to.
I don't run 5 KW amps, calif kilo's, or other illegal activities as
you
admit to doing. So I would expect you to get a fine before I would.
BTW, the amp is an 81 model. Yes, fairly ancient, but it has no
moths living in it. As Mike points out, I probably wouldn't even need
it to keep BPL on hold. My amp will only do about 1400w max, so
I have no fear of breaking any power level rules.
Just my 100w radio into the yagi, aimed at Europe would probably
do the job.
I have this vision in my mind of a bunch of BPL techs jabbering
away like the guy in the movie "Cape Fear" as he's drowning
in the river.. Abadabajumbalikearedoka, aubadbababababdbaba.
LOL...Kills me to ponder the scenario..
So while you are moaning and groaning about the problem, I will
be taking care of it myself in an orderly military manner.
Any problems they have will be due to their own shoddy system
design and line leakage which is a two way street I remind..
Not my gear. So they won't have a leg to stand on if they or even
you complain to the FCC.
MK

wrote:

When my henry 2k classic and yagi pointed at the power line challenges
BPL...
Hummmm, this could get ugly... No matter what mode I use. BPL is a two
lane highway. I should be as much of a pest them to them, as them to
me..

Your Henry and directional antenna would silence a pretty big area, MK.
QRP levels have been able to knock the signals out on occasion, and a
hundred watts in a mobile can keep a lot of people safe from porn.

Note that no intentional interference applies - all perfectly legal
Amateur radio use.

- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -

Michael Coslo wrote:

...
Your Henry and directional antenna would silence a pretty big area,
MK. QRP levels have been able to knock the signals out on occasion, and
a hundred watts in a mobile can keep a lot of people safe from porn.

Note that no intentional interference applies - all perfectly legal
Amateur radio use.

- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -

Frankly, I'd like to see it, would find the attempt(s) highly
entertaining. And, the solutions to such would just be icing on the cake!

JS

Michael Coslo wrote:

...
Your Henry and directional antenna would silence a pretty big area,
MK. QRP levels have been able to knock the signals out on occasion, and
a hundred watts in a mobile can keep a lot of people safe from porn.

Note that no intentional interference applies - all perfectly legal
Amateur radio use.

- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -

Of course you realize, as BPL becomes of a major importance, attempts
will be made to make the lines EMP hardened (most lines are now going
underground in this attempt, as we speak), you linears will look as a
matchstick held beside a 1,000,000 candle-power lamp--but then, you
already knew that. You are simply in the cycle of denial/acceptance ...

JS