Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:

...
It was "your" choice, Google and their BPL, or Ham radio.
Which did you decide?

Geoff.


When the sword challenged the rock, the sword won. When the gun
challenged the sword, the gun won. When the automobile challenged the
horse, the auto won. When the washing machine challenged the washboard,
the machine won. When tubes challenged the spark-gap xmitter, the tube
won. When penicillin challenged herbs, penicillin won. When the birth
control pill challenged the condom, the pill won.

Now the internet challenges code tapping amateurs ...

Regards,
JS

John Smith I wrote:
Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:

...
It was "your" choice, Google and their BPL, or Ham radio. Which did
you decide?

Geoff.


When the sword challenged the rock, the sword won. When the gun
challenged the sword, the gun won. When the automobile challenged the
horse, the auto won. When the washing machine challenged the washboard,
the machine won. When tubes challenged the spark-gap xmitter, the tube
won. When penicillin challenged herbs, penicillin won. When the birth
control pill challenged the condom, the pill won.

Now the internet challenges code tapping amateurs ...

Regards,
JS

Oh yeah, and I forgot, but you are quite correct. They were warned;
and, they thought they knew better. But then, their history does not
reflect one of a well educated or "gray matter endowed" group ... the
few intelligent amateurs' voice were drowned out by the insane masses
.... now we have what they strode towards with such determination, while
beating out a war march tune on their brass keys--amateur freqs will be
assimilated by the internet, resistance is futile ... and God seen this
was good ...

Regards,
JS

John Smith I wrote:
Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:

...

It was "your" choice, Google and their BPL, or Ham radio. Which did
you decide?

Geoff.


When the sword challenged the rock, the sword won. When the gun
challenged the sword, the gun won. When the automobile challenged the
horse, the auto won. When the washing machine challenged the washboard,
the machine won. When tubes challenged the spark-gap xmitter, the tube
won. When penicillin challenged herbs, penicillin won. When the birth
control pill challenged the condom, the pill won.

Now the internet challenges code tapping amateurs ...

Regards,
JS

This has nothing to do with the Internet or code tapping amateurs.

It has to do with some intellectually devoid engineers challenging the
reality of the Nyquist rate and placing a device on the only radio
frequencys that can be naturally propagated through out the planet.

This group will be beaming porn wirelessly throughout the world, what an
accomplishment. They should feel proud!


Chris

Christopher Cox wrote:
John Smith I wrote:

...

Now the internet challenges code tapping amateurs ...


This has nothing to do with the Internet or code tapping amateurs.

It has to do with some intellectually devoid engineers challenging the
reality of the Nyquist rate and placing a device on the only radio
frequencys that can be naturally propagated through out the planet.

No, I think the engineers are saying 'It can be done, but it will
interfere...' and the bean counters look at the 'but it will
interfere...' part as the obstacle to overcome (buy off). Engineers
don't call the shots, the lawyers and accountants do. If you want
someone or something to blame, blame the 'any profit is good' mind set
of the greed heads and the politicians who obey their big campaign
contributors.

gwatts wrote:
Christopher Cox wrote:

John Smith I wrote:

...

Now the internet challenges code tapping amateurs ...


This has nothing to do with the Internet or code tapping amateurs.

It has to do with some intellectually devoid engineers challenging the
reality of the Nyquist rate and placing a device on the only radio
frequencys that can be naturally propagated through out the planet.


No, I think the engineers are saying 'It can be done, but it will
interfere...' and the bean counters look at the 'but it will
interfere...' part as the obstacle to overcome (buy off). Engineers
don't call the shots, the lawyers and accountants do. If you want
someone or something to blame, blame the 'any profit is good' mind set
of the greed heads and the politicians who obey their big campaign
contributors.



I apologize for specifying "Engineers" in my previous post, it was not
intentional.

It is frustrating when fact is trumped by the use of relentless verbiage.

Chris

Christopher Cox wrote:
gwatts wrote:

Christopher Cox wrote:

John Smith I wrote:

...

Now the internet challenges code tapping amateurs ...


This has nothing to do with the Internet or code tapping amateurs.

It has to do with some intellectually devoid engineers challenging
the reality of the Nyquist rate and placing a device on the only
radio frequencys that can be naturally propagated through out the
planet.



No, I think the engineers are saying 'It can be done, but it will
interfere...' and the bean counters look at the 'but it will
interfere...' part as the obstacle to overcome (buy off). Engineers
don't call the shots, the lawyers and accountants do. If you want
someone or something to blame, blame the 'any profit is good' mind set
of the greed heads and the politicians who obey their big campaign
contributors.




I apologize for specifying "Engineers" in my previous post, it was not
intentional.

'Engineer' has become a generic term. It's easy to understand why many
different professions tend to be referred to as 'engineers,' it has a
ring of technical competence to it, for now, and that's why it's
co-opted so often.

It is frustrating when fact is trumped by the use of relentless verbiage.

Or by relentless, willful ignorance, like that on the part of the FCC
when it comes to BPL (and a few other services...sigh). The FCC has
become another heavily politicized entity run by party hacks endeavoring
to abrogate the rights of the little people in favor of the almighty,
short-term bottom line.

Don't get me wrong, I think profits are good, but not at any cost and
certainly not at the expense of future generations, expenses economic,
social, environmental...

Sigh,
Galen, W8LNA

gwatts wrote:

...
No, I think the engineers are saying 'It can be done, but it will
interfere...' and the bean counters look at the 'but it will
interfere...' part as the obstacle to overcome (buy off). Engineers
don't call the shots, the lawyers and accountants do. If you want
someone or something to blame, blame the 'any profit is good' mind set
of the greed heads and the politicians who obey their big campaign
contributors.

I think you got it all wrong ...

Thinking people decided amateur radio could be left as it is, a good ole
boys club of cranky old men communicating at a few WPM ... or, be used
to assist millions in high speed data exchange ... the jet plane
challenges the horse drawn cart.

JS

Christopher Cox wrote:

...
This has nothing to do with the Internet or code tapping amateurs.

It has to do with some intellectually devoid engineers challenging the
reality of the Nyquist rate and placing a device on the only radio
frequencys that can be naturally propagated through out the planet.

This group will be beaming porn wirelessly throughout the world, what an
accomplishment. They should feel proud!


Chris

The old failed logic recycled one more time; go keep track of who had
licenses before code was dropped ... eat your lotus blossoms--it always
worked before ...

JS

John Smith I wrote:
Christopher Cox wrote:

...
This has nothing to do with the Internet or code tapping amateurs.

It has to do with some intellectually devoid engineers challenging the
reality of the Nyquist rate and placing a device on the only radio
frequencys that can be naturally propagated through out the planet.

This group will be beaming porn wirelessly throughout the world, what
an accomplishment. They should feel proud!


Chris

The old failed logic recycled one more time; go keep track of who had
licenses before code was dropped ... eat your lotus blossoms--it always
worked before ...

The idea that BPL cam about in order to punish Hams who like Morse code
is a new one.

- 73 de Mike KB3EIa -

Michael Coslo wrote:

...
The idea that BPL cam about in order to punish Hams who like Morse
code is a new one.

- 73 de Mike KB3EIa -

Now, there is the mindset which got us here in the first place, don't
you get it?

Hams are just NOT important enough to justify punishment, they simply
are holding onto a fraction of the public airwaves which can be placed
to much better use ... get real.

JS