On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 09:15:25 -0500, Tuuk wrote:

Hi

I have the Yaesu FT530 handheld two meter and 70cm with battery.

The unit is very sensitive. For example, when ever I hold the unit near
some devices such as my smart meter, all frequencies show receiving
massive amounts of fuzz. When I hold near my phone (Northern Telecom
phone with many lines and displays) it also shows full strength noise.
Holding too close to the TV also, but other areas away from these things
nothing.

What is this unit receiving that would cause it to go useless? Is it
measuring radiation? IMF? RF? Gama? Alpha? Sigma? Cilium? Iodine? EMF?
When I put it near the granit rocks on my sauna heater it shows a small
reading of something, I heard there is radiation in rocks.

Any ideas what the interference is that I am picking up?

It is an older unit I know, are the newer ones this sensitive to area
noise?

Any ideas what this is receiving from these devices or appliances that
is making me curious?

Thanks again hams for any advice,,,

73

As long as you don't put your ham station next to your Smartmeter, you'll
be OK. If you get the battery from a Vertec industrial supplier it's
cheaper than from a ham radio supplier, so I'm told. Please let us know,
thanks.

On Mon, 09 Jan 2012 05:56:57 +0000, david wrote:

On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 20:26:50 -0500, Tuuk rearranged some electrons to
say:

Radio Frequency, a electro magnetic field from 3khz to 300ghz.

This RF is a specific freq? RF could just be a general statement,
meaning anything RF. So if your voice is about 10000 to 20,000 hz to
which then dogs pick up just higher,

RF ?? What a broad statement.

How were you able to obtain an amateur radio license without knowing the
difference between acoustic energy and electromagnetic energy?


So what about the batteries? Anyone got success or bad luck with a
online dealer? I see them on ebay for about 40 bucks, shipped, seems
about fair for a 12v.

Anyone who thinks he's picking up radiation from rocks on his HT
probably shouldn't be messing around with batteries, it might be a bit
over your head.

The OP had a healthy sense of humor, which sailed over your head, dave.

kd6il

Yes, Thanks for the info

Yes, rocks do emit radiation, especially if they come out of the deep
ground.

As a matter of fact, at our international boarders, when there is a truck
load shippment of granite countertops coming through, their x-ray machines
cannot scan those trucks because of that natural radiation coming from those
rocks so contrar to what you may believe, rocks do emit radiation.

The smart meters do emit a massive amout of RF now that I have learned and
it is a big problem in some states like California where groups are now
rising against it. Because of it.

While today we micro manage our health in so many ways, I like to refine
where I can. Yes, I know some old hams who worked next to 2kw linear amps
their whole life, nothing wrong with them, however I am curious to learn.




"dave" wrote in message
m...
On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 09:15:25 -0500, Tuuk wrote:

Hi

I have the Yaesu FT530 handheld two meter and 70cm with battery.

The unit is very sensitive. For example, when ever I hold the unit near
some devices such as my smart meter, all frequencies show receiving
massive amounts of fuzz. When I hold near my phone (Northern Telecom
phone with many lines and displays) it also shows full strength noise.
Holding too close to the TV also, but other areas away from these things
nothing.

What is this unit receiving that would cause it to go useless? Is it
measuring radiation? IMF? RF? Gama? Alpha? Sigma? Cilium? Iodine? EMF?
When I put it near the granit rocks on my sauna heater it shows a small
reading of something, I heard there is radiation in rocks.

Any ideas what the interference is that I am picking up?

It is an older unit I know, are the newer ones this sensitive to area
noise?

Any ideas what this is receiving from these devices or appliances that
is making me curious?

Thanks again hams for any advice,,,

73

As long as you don't put your ham station next to your Smartmeter, you'll
be OK. If you get the battery from a Vertec industrial supplier it's
cheaper than from a ham radio supplier, so I'm told. Please let us know,
thanks.

Hi David

I wasn't really asking about acoustic energy, I was asking about RF energy,
frequency, radio frequency. Not sure where you came up with your assumption.

Of course I asked the question, which means I didn't know.

I hope you are not a teacher, I would be an angry taxpayer in your
community.





"david" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 20:26:50 -0500, Tuuk rearranged some electrons to
say:

Radio Frequency, a electro magnetic field from 3khz to 300ghz.

This RF is a specific freq? RF could just be a general statement,
meaning anything RF. So if your voice is about 10000 to 20,000 hz to
which then dogs pick up just higher,

RF ?? What a broad statement.

How were you able to obtain an amateur radio license without knowing the
difference between acoustic energy and electromagnetic energy?


So what about the batteries? Anyone got success or bad luck with a
online dealer? I see them on ebay for about 40 bucks, shipped, seems
about fair for a 12v.

Anyone who thinks he's picking up radiation from rocks on his HT probably
shouldn't be messing around with batteries, it might be a bit over your
head.

CELL towers should all by now be totally digital, due to the fact that I doubt if there is any analog cell phones still in use out there.
When the batteries goes dead, people gets new phones, doesn't replace the batteries, and at some point, the batteries are probably not produced anymore - hence the phones are rendered unusable.

The phones operate on a band somewhere between 869 and 913 MHz.

4 G towers do not even use a fiber optic link anymore, because it is too slow.
There is a antenna on top of the tower which sends the signal directly to a satellite in the sky.
So I would have to wonder what kind of tower you live beside?
What is radiating the analog signal, and at that harmonic.

When the signals were analog, I could listen to them with a old Bearcat scanner by listening below the cell frequency to the 1st or 2nd harmonic which was slightly below the cell towers frequency, but it was one conversation at a time on a specific frequency.

On Mon, 09 Jan 2012 08:41:32 -0500, Tuuk rearranged some electrons to
say:

Hi David

I wasn't really asking about acoustic energy, I was asking about RF
energy, frequency, radio frequency. Not sure where you came up with your
assumption.

I got it from you:

So if your voice is about 10000 to 20,000 hz to
which then dogs pick up just higher,

Voice = acoustic.


Of course I asked the question, which means I didn't know.

I hope you are not a teacher, I would be an angry taxpayer in your
community.


Perhaps you should go back to whoever taught you about RF and get your
money back then.



"david" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 20:26:50 -0500, Tuuk rearranged some electrons to
say:

Radio Frequency, a electro magnetic field from 3khz to 300ghz.

This RF is a specific freq? RF could just be a general statement,
meaning anything RF. So if your voice is about 10000 to 20,000 hz to
which then dogs pick up just higher,

RF ?? What a broad statement.

How were you able to obtain an amateur radio license without knowing
the difference between acoustic energy and electromagnetic energy?


So what about the batteries? Anyone got success or bad luck with a
online dealer? I see them on ebay for about 40 bucks, shipped, seems
about fair for a 12v.

Anyone who thinks he's picking up radiation from rocks on his HT
probably shouldn't be messing around with batteries, it might be a bit
over your head.

David

Are you a licenced Ham Radio operator? I mean have you written the
examinations held by an accredited outfit worthy of providing you with a
certificate? I have. Enough said there because your childish mud flinging
means nothing.

I asked a question, means I wanted to learn somethings, and this group has a
lot of knowledge in it and is a wonderful resource. I guess my next question
is how to block out the trolls, the wanna bees.

I reiterate my statement, I hope you are not a teacher, very poor teaching
skills. I can almost predict with great certainty that you are not a
teacher. None of your advice or comments were constructive, or informatonal
or helpful. None.

I wouldn't even want you as an employee, with that negative do nothing, add
no value attitude, wow, I wouldn't even want to work beside you.

However, without knowing you I can estimate you have more knowledge about
electrons, protons, rayons and electronic circuitry than I do. I will give
you that David, however I can bet you dollar to donut that my list of
credentials is far longer than yours, so while I may be more versed in a
wider range of knowledge, yours is specific to your hobby. Or maybe a
profession for you, obviously you are completely knowledgable about
electronics. Completely. Not me, I have a base knowledge of electronics,
enough to keep me happy and do what I want to do with electronics like
building my own antennas and so forth, just the basics. I would need help to
repair a rig if it fried. Unless is was an older rig, then I could probably
repair, but I am sure you could repair even the latest advancements in our
technological world.

I haven't paid anyone to teach me about RF, so no need to "go back and get
my money back" so your insults at my teachers holds no water. Not sure why
you would even say such a thing.

I mean I asked a question about RF and you answered by saying "Perhaps you
should go back to whoever taught you about RF and get your money back then".
See, I can parse you also.

That is why I said, "I hope you are not a teacher, I would be a upset
taxpayer in that community". Because if you are a teacher and the student
asks you a question, lol,,, o my,,,

Are you the ham who complained about me fixing my own furnace not long ago?
While I don't have a certificate there either however 10 years ago I
installed it myself, now I needing to replace or fix some parts, but you
said "Hire a qualified, certified technician". So I did, paid him to
diagnose the problem, he said it was the fan relay board, I bought a new
board from a friend, replaced it and exact problem remained. Turned out to
be the reset button on the high temperature limit switch control. I didn't
know there was a reset button and your qualified certified technician didn't
know it also.

Are you the same chap who said to me that rocks don't emit radiaton? Well in
fact they do, they do so much to a degree that it is a well known fact,
while I am not sure if it is gamma, alpha, etc etc or what, but I know they
do. Because you said " Anyone who thinks he's picking up radiation from
rocks on his HT
probably shouldn't be messing around with batteries, it might be a bit
over your head.""

That is what you said David, and you were wrong, because all rocks coming
out of the ground do emit certain forms of radiation, I recommend you google
that. There you go David, you are not as smart as you set yourself out to
be.

Anyway, great group here, lots of knowledge of wide range of knowledge and I
will certainly ask future questions of this group, lots of knowledge here
and most appreciate all the help I have received, as I am simply interested
in learning, love learning, love learning new things and doing things
myself.

In the future David, if you see my post, asking a question that you have a
wealth of knowledge, instead of trying to make me look even dumber, or
trying to make you look even so much smarter than me, just ignore my post. I
suppose the proper thing to do is to add you to some kind of a filter on
this newsgroup, I suppose I could filter you out because I don't believe you
have added any value to any of my question, only critical of my level of
knowledge and critical of my teachers. So David, just ignore post made by me
if you don't mind. I have never filtered out people yet on here, I don't
filter out those smut slut advertisements, I just ignore them, I suppose I
could if I had to filter out both David and the Smut and Slut Advertisments,
but would rather you just ignore them. I suppose I could ignore your post
also David, your post have never, ever added any value that I have seen, so
I suppose I should just ignore them. I wont be trapped into any more of your
mud flinging games, I suppose it is just a bait and trap for you David. But
good luck with your wealth of knowledge, I hope you use it in a good way.

Thanks again all for your answering my questions, truly appreciate it.

73







"david" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 09 Jan 2012 08:41:32 -0500, Tuuk rearranged some electrons to
say:

Hi David

I wasn't really asking about acoustic energy, I was asking about RF
energy, frequency, radio frequency. Not sure where you came up with your
assumption.

I got it from you:

So if your voice is about 10000 to 20,000 hz to
which then dogs pick up just higher,

Voice = acoustic.


Of course I asked the question, which means I didn't know.

I hope you are not a teacher, I would be an angry taxpayer in your
community.


Perhaps you should go back to whoever taught you about RF and get your
money back then.



"david" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 20:26:50 -0500, Tuuk rearranged some electrons to
say:

Radio Frequency, a electro magnetic field from 3khz to 300ghz.

This RF is a specific freq? RF could just be a general statement,
meaning anything RF. So if your voice is about 10000 to 20,000 hz to
which then dogs pick up just higher,

RF ?? What a broad statement.

How were you able to obtain an amateur radio license without knowing
the difference between acoustic energy and electromagnetic energy?


So what about the batteries? Anyone got success or bad luck with a
online dealer? I see them on ebay for about 40 bucks, shipped, seems
about fair for a 12v.

Anyone who thinks he's picking up radiation from rocks on his HT
probably shouldn't be messing around with batteries, it might be a bit
over your head.

On 11/01/2012 14:55, Tuuk wrote:
David

Are you a licenced Ham Radio operator? I mean have you written the
examinations held by an accredited outfit worthy of providing you with a
certificate? I have. Enough said there because your childish mud
flinging means nothing.

I asked a question, means I wanted to learn somethings, and this group
has a lot of knowledge in it and is a wonderful resource. I guess my
next question is how to block out the trolls, the wanna bees.

I reiterate my statement, I hope you are not a teacher, very poor
teaching skills. I can almost predict with great certainty that you are
not a teacher. None of your advice or comments were constructive, or
informatonal or helpful. None.

I wouldn't even want you as an employee, with that negative do nothing,
add no value attitude, wow, I wouldn't even want to work beside you.

However, without knowing you I can estimate you have more knowledge
about electrons, protons, rayons and electronic circuitry than I do. I
will give you that David, however I can bet you dollar to donut that my
list of credentials is far longer than yours, so while I may be more
versed in a wider range of knowledge, yours is specific to your hobby.
Or maybe a profession for you, obviously you are completely knowledgable
about electronics. Completely. Not me, I have a base knowledge of
electronics, enough to keep me happy and do what I want to do with
electronics like building my own antennas and so forth, just the basics.
I would need help to repair a rig if it fried. Unless is was an older
rig, then I could probably repair, but I am sure you could repair even
the latest advancements in our technological world.

I haven't paid anyone to teach me about RF, so no need to "go back and
get my money back" so your insults at my teachers holds no water. Not
sure why you would even say such a thing.

I mean I asked a question about RF and you answered by saying "Perhaps
you should go back to whoever taught you about RF and get your money
back then". See, I can parse you also.

That is why I said, "I hope you are not a teacher, I would be a upset
taxpayer in that community". Because if you are a teacher and the
student asks you a question, lol,,, o my,,,

Are you the ham who complained about me fixing my own furnace not long
ago? While I don't have a certificate there either however 10 years ago
I installed it myself, now I needing to replace or fix some parts, but
you said "Hire a qualified, certified technician". So I did, paid him to
diagnose the problem, he said it was the fan relay board, I bought a new
board from a friend, replaced it and exact problem remained. Turned out
to be the reset button on the high temperature limit switch control. I
didn't know there was a reset button and your qualified certified
technician didn't know it also.

Are you the same chap who said to me that rocks don't emit radiaton?
Well in fact they do, they do so much to a degree that it is a well
known fact, while I am not sure if it is gamma, alpha, etc etc or what,
but I know they do. Because you said " Anyone who thinks he's picking up
radiation from rocks on his HT
probably shouldn't be messing around with batteries, it might be a bit
over your head.""

That is what you said David, and you were wrong, because all rocks
coming out of the ground do emit certain forms of radiation, I recommend
you google that. There you go David, you are not as smart as you set
yourself out to be.

Anyway, great group here, lots of knowledge of wide range of knowledge
and I will certainly ask future questions of this group, lots of
knowledge here and most appreciate all the help I have received, as I am
simply interested in learning, love learning, love learning new things
and doing things myself.

In the future David, if you see my post, asking a question that you have
a wealth of knowledge, instead of trying to make me look even dumber, or
trying to make you look even so much smarter than me, just ignore my
post. I suppose the proper thing to do is to add you to some kind of a
filter on this newsgroup, I suppose I could filter you out because I
don't believe you have added any value to any of my question, only
critical of my level of knowledge and critical of my teachers. So David,
just ignore post made by me if you don't mind. I have never filtered out
people yet on here, I don't filter out those smut slut advertisements, I
just ignore them, I suppose I could if I had to filter out both David
and the Smut and Slut Advertisments, but would rather you just ignore
them. I suppose I could ignore your post also David, your post have
never, ever added any value that I have seen, so I suppose I should just
ignore them. I wont be trapped into any more of your mud flinging games,
I suppose it is just a bait and trap for you David. But good luck with
your wealth of knowledge, I hope you use it in a good way.

Thanks again all for your answering my questions, truly appreciate it.

73


My god, what arrogance!

Perhaps you should go back and re-read your initial post; it was totally
incoherent and laughable, and you now have the temerity to criticise
people who comment on that.

What are 'rayons' by the way; more modern nylons?

Jeff

Hi Jeff

Thanks for the flowers.

I guess you also are another add on to some kind of a kill file filter list.

I am going to have to learn about how to filter out what you don't want and
leave open what I do want.

Why would posters want to come back with negative mud flinging when someone
obviously hasn't the knowledge and so asks a question.

Did I say that properly Jeff? Did you understand it? Was it coherent or
laughable?

Just because some of you people have more knowledge in something than I, and
then when someone asks you a question about that topic, you feel the need to
enforce that fact that you do have more knowledge in that topic I asked
about. Then you rub it in, and grind the student (or one asking the
question). Just because it is so obvious to you, after your years learning
the topic in whatever school and you are well versed in the topic, wow, that
gives you the right to hammer down on someone who hasn't the level of
knowledge in that topic. You think because you are confident in a topic that
only an ignorant person would ask about that topic, so you must enforce that
fact that the person is ignorant in that topic.

Did I say that properly Jeff? Did you understand it? Was it coherent or
laughable? lol,,,

Wow, what happened to the Hams I know? I been around for a while and know
many many awsome hams, great people, and a lot of the most intelligent
people I know. I guess just like the education system, when you lower the
bar, this is what you get. The Jeffs, The Davids, the Einstiens who are
smarter than everyone. lol,,,

Did I say that properly Jeff? Did you understand it? Was it coherent or
laughable?

Come on Jeff, back to you,

Your first post there was pretty dramatic, pretty theatrical, but had
nothing, I repeat, nothing to do with my question. Why respond to my
question when your answer had nothing to do with the question?

Did I say that properly Jeff? Did you understand it? Was it coherent or
laughable?? lol,,, Come on Jeff,, you are just baiting me now, nobody can be
that ignorant. Nobody.

Anyway, I will learn how to use my filter on this News group,,, it seems
there are a few trouble makers within the masses. Please from now on, when I
ask a question, and I will, about something you are professor of world
knowledge on that topic, 1st in your class, top of the crop, world master in
the topic, please don't bash me because I am not knowledgable about that
topic. THAT IS WHY I ASKED!!!!

I hope you Jeff and David are not teachers, otherwise I would be an upset
taxpayer in your community.

Anyway, ya, I will just filter out the riff raff because when I ask a
question from this group, off topic or otherwise, I am thankful for all the
intellegent responses. Most thankful. I guess you get some bad with the
good. But don't criticize me because I don't have the same level of
knowledge as yourself on a certain topic, that is why I asked. And please
forgive all your students who don't have the same level of knowledge as
yourself (if you are a teacher). I hope you are not actually, but some
advice from a life time learner, don't bash your students just because they
came to you to learn, that is unprofessional.

And Jeff, you asked what a Rayon was, it is an improved version of certain
fibers, like a silk, or man made fiber. I am not sure if it is used for
nylons. Maybe.

Anyway, thanks for responding, thanks for coming out.

73




"Jeff" wrote in message
...
On 11/01/2012 14:55, Tuuk wrote:
David

Are you a licenced Ham Radio operator? I mean have you written the
examinations held by an accredited outfit worthy of providing you with a
certificate? I have. Enough said there because your childish mud
flinging means nothing.

I asked a question, means I wanted to learn somethings, and this group
has a lot of knowledge in it and is a wonderful resource. I guess my
next question is how to block out the trolls, the wanna bees.

I reiterate my statement, I hope you are not a teacher, very poor
teaching skills. I can almost predict with great certainty that you are
not a teacher. None of your advice or comments were constructive, or
informatonal or helpful. None.

I wouldn't even want you as an employee, with that negative do nothing,
add no value attitude, wow, I wouldn't even want to work beside you.

However, without knowing you I can estimate you have more knowledge
about electrons, protons, rayons and electronic circuitry than I do. I
will give you that David, however I can bet you dollar to donut that my
list of credentials is far longer than yours, so while I may be more
versed in a wider range of knowledge, yours is specific to your hobby.
Or maybe a profession for you, obviously you are completely knowledgable
about electronics. Completely. Not me, I have a base knowledge of
electronics, enough to keep me happy and do what I want to do with
electronics like building my own antennas and so forth, just the basics.
I would need help to repair a rig if it fried. Unless is was an older
rig, then I could probably repair, but I am sure you could repair even
the latest advancements in our technological world.

I haven't paid anyone to teach me about RF, so no need to "go back and
get my money back" so your insults at my teachers holds no water. Not
sure why you would even say such a thing.

I mean I asked a question about RF and you answered by saying "Perhaps
you should go back to whoever taught you about RF and get your money
back then". See, I can parse you also.

That is why I said, "I hope you are not a teacher, I would be a upset
taxpayer in that community". Because if you are a teacher and the
student asks you a question, lol,,, o my,,,

Are you the ham who complained about me fixing my own furnace not long
ago? While I don't have a certificate there either however 10 years ago
I installed it myself, now I needing to replace or fix some parts, but
you said "Hire a qualified, certified technician". So I did, paid him to
diagnose the problem, he said it was the fan relay board, I bought a new
board from a friend, replaced it and exact problem remained. Turned out
to be the reset button on the high temperature limit switch control. I
didn't know there was a reset button and your qualified certified
technician didn't know it also.

Are you the same chap who said to me that rocks don't emit radiaton?
Well in fact they do, they do so much to a degree that it is a well
known fact, while I am not sure if it is gamma, alpha, etc etc or what,
but I know they do. Because you said " Anyone who thinks he's picking up
radiation from rocks on his HT
probably shouldn't be messing around with batteries, it might be a bit
over your head.""

That is what you said David, and you were wrong, because all rocks
coming out of the ground do emit certain forms of radiation, I recommend
you google that. There you go David, you are not as smart as you set
yourself out to be.

Anyway, great group here, lots of knowledge of wide range of knowledge
and I will certainly ask future questions of this group, lots of
knowledge here and most appreciate all the help I have received, as I am
simply interested in learning, love learning, love learning new things
and doing things myself.

In the future David, if you see my post, asking a question that you have
a wealth of knowledge, instead of trying to make me look even dumber, or
trying to make you look even so much smarter than me, just ignore my
post. I suppose the proper thing to do is to add you to some kind of a
filter on this newsgroup, I suppose I could filter you out because I
don't believe you have added any value to any of my question, only
critical of my level of knowledge and critical of my teachers. So David,
just ignore post made by me if you don't mind. I have never filtered out
people yet on here, I don't filter out those smut slut advertisements, I
just ignore them, I suppose I could if I had to filter out both David
and the Smut and Slut Advertisments, but would rather you just ignore
them. I suppose I could ignore your post also David, your post have
never, ever added any value that I have seen, so I suppose I should just
ignore them. I wont be trapped into any more of your mud flinging games,
I suppose it is just a bait and trap for you David. But good luck with
your wealth of knowledge, I hope you use it in a good way.

Thanks again all for your answering my questions, truly appreciate it.

73


My god, what arrogance!

Perhaps you should go back and re-read your initial post; it was totally
incoherent and laughable, and you now have the temerity to criticise
people who comment on that.

What are 'rayons' by the way; more modern nylons?

Jeff

On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:55:41 -0500, " Tuuk" wrote:

Are you a licenced Ham Radio operator? I mean have you written the
examinations held by an accredited outfit worthy of providing you with a
certificate? I have.

Out if curiosity, what's your call? I must have missed it in your previous
posts.