On 1/17/2014 10:35 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
"gareth" wrote in message
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Do you left-pondians need to get planning or zonal permission for such
things as we do here in the land that is still plagued by the
Normano-Viking
invaders and their spawn?


It all depends on where the station is located at in the US. I live in
North Carolina and out from the city. There is no requirement in the county
I live in for any kind of permit for a ham tower. About 8 years ago I put
up a 60 foot tower and did not need any permits or any other offical paper
work.

I am thinking the FCC limits the tower to 200 feet and some restrictioins if
near an airport in all parts of the country.

Some areas you can not put up a tower of any kind, and some areas need to
have permits and limit the tower to how tall it can be. Some areas require
some enginering paperwork to make sure the tower will not fall under
ordinary use.



Actually, the FCC doesn't limit towers to 200'. But anything over 200'
has to be lighted and registered so it can appear on air navigation
charts. Then there are all kinds of other hassles like ensuring the
lights are always working at nighttime and having to climb a tower in 10
degree F weather with a 20mph wind (on the ground) to replace a burned
out light bulb (I know - I had to do it when I was young and stupid and
worked on towers ).

For most hams, it's just not worth the hassle.

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Actually, the FCC doesn't limit towers to 200'. But anything over 200'
has to be lighted and registered so it can appear on air navigation
charts. Then there are all kinds of other hassles like ensuring the
lights are always working at nighttime and having to climb a tower in 10
degree F weather with a 20mph wind (on the ground) to replace a burned out
light bulb (I know - I had to do it when I was young and stupid and worked
on towers ).


Over here, we have always been limited to 50' within half a mile of any
aerodrome,
but that does not imply local authority permission for anything up to that
height!

On 1/17/2014 12:22 PM, gareth wrote:
"Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
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Actually, the FCC doesn't limit towers to 200'. But anything over 200'
has to be lighted and registered so it can appear on air navigation
charts. Then there are all kinds of other hassles like ensuring the
lights are always working at nighttime and having to climb a tower in 10
degree F weather with a 20mph wind (on the ground) to replace a burned out
light bulb (I know - I had to do it when I was young and stupid and worked
on towers ).


Over here, we have always been limited to 50' within half a mile of any
aerodrome,
but that does not imply local authority permission for anything up to that
height!



Yes, there are additional limitations when close to airports, heliports,
etc. But rather than a fixed height like you have, ours varies
depending on the distance from the airport or heliport, and the size of
the longest runway of the airport. It varies from 25:1 (1 foot of
height for every 25 feet away) ratio for heliports to 100:1 for large
airports.

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The towers do not always have to be lighted above 200' nor painted.

WVIR's tower is neither!

https://stations.fcc.gov/station-profile/wvir-tv

On 1/17/2014 6:37 PM, Channel Jumper wrote:

The towers do not always have to be lighted above 200' nor painted.

WVIR's tower is neither!

https://stations.fcc.gov/station-profile/wvir-tv



Only if it is sheltered by another structure of greater height.

Otherwise, you are wrong (as usual).

And how do you know how tall it is? Did you get out your trust ruler
and measure it?

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On 1/17/2014 6:37 PM, Channel Jumper wrote:

The towers do not always have to be lighted above 200' nor painted.

WVIR's tower is neither!

https://stations.fcc.gov/station-profile/wvir-tv



Only if it is sheltered by another structure of greater height.

Otherwise, you are wrong (as usual).

And how do you know how tall it is? Did you get out your trust ruler and
measure it?

You can look up the antenna registeration number. It is listed at whatever
height it is. Seem to remember 98 but not sure if feet or meters. It is
also listed to be painted and lighted to some offical antenna regulation.
Does not say if it is actually painted or lighted, just it meets the
standard.



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On 1/17/2014 8:05 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:

"Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
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On 1/17/2014 6:37 PM, Channel Jumper wrote:

The towers do not always have to be lighted above 200' nor painted.

WVIR's tower is neither!

https://stations.fcc.gov/station-profile/wvir-tv



Only if it is sheltered by another structure of greater height.

Otherwise, you are wrong (as usual).

And how do you know how tall it is? Did you get out your trust ruler and
measure it?

You can look up the antenna registeration number. It is listed at whatever
height it is. Seem to remember 98 but not sure if feet or meters. It is
also listed to be painted and lighted to some offical antenna regulation.
Does not say if it is actually painted or lighted, just it meets the
standard.



It's 98 meters - but it is shadowed by another tower just east of it
which is higher. Unfortunately, I don't know who owns that tower.

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On 1/17/2014 6:37 PM, Channel Jumper wrote:
The towers do not always have to be lighted above 200' nor painted.
WVIR's tower is neither!
https://stations.fcc.gov/station-profile/wvir-tv



And how do you know how tall it is? Did you get out your trust ruler and
measure it?


Cue the old one about how to measure the height of a building with a
barometer, ISTR about 23 ways at the last count!

eg, apart from the obvious one, to time its descent from the top when
dropped under the acceleration of gravity, and finally to go to the
maintenance engineer and offer him the present of a lovely barometer if he'd
let you
look at the architect's drawings!

On 1/18/2014 6:05 AM, gareth wrote:
"Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
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On 1/17/2014 6:37 PM, Channel Jumper wrote:
The towers do not always have to be lighted above 200' nor painted.
WVIR's tower is neither!
https://stations.fcc.gov/station-profile/wvir-tv



And how do you know how tall it is? Did you get out your trust ruler and
measure it?


Cue the old one about how to measure the height of a building with a
barometer, ISTR about 23 ways at the last count!

eg, apart from the obvious one, to time its descent from the top when
dropped under the acceleration of gravity, and finally to go to the
maintenance engineer and offer him the present of a lovely barometer if he'd
let you
look at the architect's drawings!




I guess you landed on your head when you timed how long it took you to
dive off the top of the tower.

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"Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message
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Actually, the FCC doesn't limit towers to 200'. But anything over 200'
has to be lighted and registered so it can appear on air navigation
charts. Then there are all kinds of other hassles like ensuring the

You are correct on the limit. I knew I remembered something about 200 feet
but did not recall it correctly.

In the US it seems that you can put up whatever you can afford. Most of the
hams I know have towers from about 40 to 60 feet. A few at 100 to 120. It
all depends on where you are at as to the local and state rules. If you
move into some housing developments they can have a rule of no outside
antenna. Some towns and counties have rules that you can put up a 40 or 50
foot tower.

I talked to one ham on the air and he told me that he lived in a development
and it speciffically stated there could not be any rules on the towers. The
man that started that development was a ham.

In the county I live in there are no rules at this time, but some housing
developments have them and you sort of have to give up your rights to lots
of things if you move in there. I made sure that when I bought a house there
were no rules other than the ones of the state or county.
I only went to 60 feet of tower because that was about the ammount of money
I had to spend and it was as far up as I wanted to climb. I am not afraid
of heights, but not in the physical condition to climb any higher and do
much after I get there.

For Gareth , here is the federal rules from the ARRL website. While the
rules keep the states from making some unreasonable rules, it does not apply
to housing develompnet areas where you sign away your rights if you want to
move into that area.

§97.15 Station antenna structures.

(a) Owners of certain antenna structures more than 60.96 meters (200 feet)
above ground level at the site or located near or at a public use airport
must notify the Federal Aviation Administration and register with the
Commission as required by part 17 of this chapter.

(b) Except as otherwise provided herein, a station antenna structure may be
erected at heights and dimensions sufficient to accommodate amateur service
communications. (State and local regulation of a station antenna structure
must not preclude amateur service communications. Rather, it must reasonably
accommodate such communications and must constitute the minimum practicable
regulation to accomplish the state or local authority's legitimate purpose.
See PRB-1, 101 FCC 2d 952 (1985) for details.)





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