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Old October 14th 03, 02:04 PM
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You raise an interesting question, Carl. How exactly should the
average ham go about proving that the RFI is indeed BPL, when the BPL
people say
"That's not us!'??


In the case in Emmaus, the PPL rep told a reporter that Carl had misidentified
a "neon sign" (in a residential neighborhood) as BPL. First, Carl is
professionally adept with spread spectrum, so he knows what an SS signal sounds
like. The signal was heard only in the trial area and when I was in Emmaus, I
worked with a local in the trial area who downloaded files for me. When the
download started, the noise started; when it stopped, the noise stopped.

What really proves it to be not a neon sign, however, is that the time-domain
(oscilloscope) signature of the received signal does not have a pronounced
120-Hz signature. Had the PPL representative actually looked at the signal, he
would have known that his "explanation" was pretty transparent.

I have extended by email a very cordial inviation for the PPL folks to attend a
local club talk I gave; they did not respond. I then emailed a cordial
invitation to work with them on interference issues; they did not respond. This
boggles the mind, because if I were about to invest millions of dollars of my
company's money and a national organization came to me and told me that there
was a serious problem with the technology, and offered to drive over 200 miles
just to show it to me, I think I would spend the hour or two and take a look.

73,
Ed Hare, W1RFI

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Old October 14th 03, 08:25 PM
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In the eyes of the BPL, there's no problem with the technology that
needs to be addressed. It will make barrels of money for them. So what's
the problem?

I've learned that when the actions of a person or company don't make
sense, it's simply because I've misunderstood their motives or
situation. Their response is perfectly logical if you begin with the
premise that the necessary money has been spent on the right politicians
and political campaigns to assure approval regardless of the actions of
irritating gnats like hams and the ARRL. If that's the case, then it's
simply a waste of time and money for them to pay any attention to the
likes of the ARRL.

I'll bet you'll find that their other actions are consistent with this
model. I suspect that the ARRL's effort would better be spent locating
and trying to persuade the purchased politicians that their political
futures might be affected by approval, rather than trying to convince
the BPL that there's something wrong with their attempt to make lots of
money.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

W1RFI wrote:
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I have extended by email a very cordial inviation for the PPL folks to attend a
local club talk I gave; they did not respond. I then emailed a cordial
invitation to work with them on interference issues; they did not respond. This
boggles the mind, because if I were about to invest millions of dollars of my
company's money and a national organization came to me and told me that there
was a serious problem with the technology, and offered to drive over 200 miles
just to show it to me, I think I would spend the hour or two and take a look.


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Old October 15th 03, 12:12 AM
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I'll bet you'll find that their other actions are consistent with this
model. I suspect that the ARRL's effort would better be spent locating
and trying to persuade the purchased politicians that their political
futures might be affected by approval, rather than trying to convince
the BPL that there's something wrong with their attempt to make lots of
money.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL


At this point, they are probably still actively persuing investors.
If the investors get the idea that there's a potential dead end here, they
will go elsewhere.
The ones that are already in though, will be mad at us, most likely.





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Old October 15th 03, 01:35 PM
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At this point, they are probably still actively persuing investors.
If the investors get the idea that there's a potential dead end here, they
will go elsewhere.
The ones that are already in though, will be mad at us, most likely.


The investors may have already gotten some of the idea:

http://moneycentral.msn.com/scripts/...qd&Symbol=ABTG

The discussion board at:

http://ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/b...ABTG&read=2259

is interesting, although only a little bit of discussion on what they term
"hammies." Interestingly, they seem blissfully unaware of the growing concern
and discussion about the interference potential to all of HF. I would imagine
that the BBC report alone should have sent the stock even lower, and when the
NTIA study is done, if what I found in Emmaus, PA is reported as found, things
may not look real good for the industry. I believe that it is easy enough to
sign up to be able to post to the board, although I think it best that I not do
so.

To my knowlege, Ambient (ABTG) is the only publically traded stock, although
Main.net may be traded in Israel.

73,
Ed Hare, W1RFI


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