"Scott Unit 69" wrote in message
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Yes, fines, NAL's and me keying up legally with my legal limit amp every
time some assclown who is not licensed keys up.


You would exceed 200 watts in a novice band portion?

It's OK for you to break the laws you want, and attempt to interfere
with other's, albeit illegal, communications by transmitting with 7.5
times greater power then allowed in the novice subband?


Did you read where I said I would key up legally , you assclown. No
frequencie was specified either assclown.



What are you, some kind of keyclown?


No but your a assclown.

On 24 Jul 2003 23:02:01 GMT, wrote:

wrote:
A troll is one who asks others to do something wrong. In this case, it
is use of 10 meters without the proper class of license.

Could you please quote the part about people using 10 meters
illegally????????????

Those are all CBer's.

CBers are folks who operate in the Citizens' Band Radio Service on
frequencies allocated to that service under Part 95.

Folks who operate on frequencies where they have no business being are
called "pirates" or "bootleggers" (and some other names that I won't
print here because they might offend someone's sensibilities).

73 DE John, KC2HMZ

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 18:23:45 -0700, Keith
wrote:

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:53:15 -0400, Scott Unit 69
wrote:

If it wasn't someone using the name "Keith", someone also posting from
newsguy was suggesting the use of 10 meters by techs in protest.

It is not illegal for a technician to transmit voice on 28.300 to 28.500 MHz.
Has the tech passed the morse code test? There is no way to know since the FCC
doesn't keep track of which techs pass the cw test and I don't need to supply
that information to anyone.

Yes, there is a way to tell. If you passed Element 1 you were given a
CSCE for it. Now that FCC no longer keeps track in their database of
who has Element 1 credit and who doesn't, it is incumbent upon the
licensee to retain that CSCE as proof that you passed a code test. If
you're heard operating on HF and FCC asks you to prove that you have
Element 1 credit and you are unable to do so, you're subject to
enforcement action up to and including the loss of your license.

It is a great big loop hole and a great way to protest stupid radio rules.

No, it's a great way to lose your license.

73 DE John, KC2HMZ

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 20:07:10 -0700, Keith
wrote:

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 22:41:54 -0400, "Spamhater" wrote:

. you need a TECHNICIAN PLUS or higher
license to get on 10 meters

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A TECHNICIAN PLUS LICENSE IN THE FCC RULES OR
REGULATIONS. IF YOU GO TAKE A TECH TEST YOU ARE A TECH. IF YOU PASS A 5 WPM
TEST YOU ARE STILL A TECH.
Ignorance is bliss.

Then you must have a very blissful existence, Keith. Read on, and let
the facts rid you of your ignorance as I show you numerous references
to the Technician Plus license in the FCC rules. When you're done you
can check to verify that I haven't falsified any of this by going to
http://www.arrl.org/files/infoserv/rib/part97.txt and reading Part 97
for yourself - which you should have done in the first place so that
you had your facts straight BEFORE you opened your mouth to change
which foot was in it:

§97.5 Station license grant required.
snip
(2) A club station license grant. A club station license
grant may be held only by the person who is the license
trustee designated by an officer of the club. The trustee
must be a person who holds an Amateur Extra, Advanced,
General, Technician Plus, or Technician operator license
grant. The club must be composed of at least four persons
and must have a name, a document of organization,
management, and a primary purpose devoted to amateur service
activities consistent with this part.

§97.9 Operator license.
(a) The classes of amateur operator license grants a
Novice, Technician, Technician Plus (until such licenses
expire, a Technician Class license granted before February
14, 1991, is considered a Technician Plus Class license),
General, Advanced, and Amateur Extra. The person named in
the operator license grant is authorized to be the control
operator of an amateur station with the privileges
authorized to the operator class specified on the license
grant.
(b) The person named in an operator license grant of Novice,
Technician, Technician Plus, General or Advanced Class, who
has properly submitted to the administering VEs a FCC Form
605 document requesting examination for an operator license
grant of a higher class, and who holds a CSCE indicating
that the person has completed the necessary examinations
within the previous 365 days, is authorized to exercise the
rights and privileges of the higher operator class until
final disposition of the application or until 365 days
following the passing of the examination, whichever comes
first.

§97.17 Application for new license grant.
(a) Any qualified person is eligible to apply for a new
operator/primary station, club station or military
recreation station license grant. No new license grant will
be issued for a Novice, Technician Plus, or Advanced Class
operator/primary station or RACES station.
snip

§97.21 Application for a modified or renewed license.
snip
(3) May apply to the FCC for renewal of the license grant
for another term in accordance with §1.913 of this chapter.
Application for renewal of a Technician Plus Class
operator/primary station license will be processed as an
application for renewal of a Technician Class
operator/primary station license.

§97.119 Station identification.
snip
(f) When the control operator who is exercising the rights
and privileges authorized by §97.9(b) of this Part, an
indicator must be included after the call sign as follows:
(1) For a control operator who has requested a license
modification from Novice to Technician Class: KT;
(2) For a control operator who has requested a license
modification from Novice, Technician or Technician Plus
Class to General Class: AG;
(3) For a control operator who has requested a license
modification from Novice, Technician, Technician Plus,
General, or Advanced Class operator to Amateur Extra Class:
AE.

SUBPART C-SPECIAL OPERATIONS
§97.201 Auxiliary station.
(a) Any amateur station licensed to a holder of a
Technician, Technician Plus, General, Advanced or Amateur
Extra Class operator license may be an auxiliary station. A
holder of a Technician, Technician Plus, General, Advanced
or Amateur Extra Class operator license may be the control
operator of an auxiliary station, subject to the privileges
of the class of operator license held.

§97.203 Beacon station.
(a) Any amateur station licensed to a holder of a
Technician, Technician Plus, General, Advanced or Amateur
Extra Class operator license may be a beacon. A holder of a
Technician, Technician Plus, General, Advanced or Amateur
Extra Class operator license may be the control operator of
a beacon, subject to the privileges of the class of operator
license held.

SUBPART D-TECHNICAL STANDARDS
§97.301 Authorized frequency bands.
The following transmitting frequency bands are available to
an amateur station located within 50 km of the Earth's
surface, within the specified ITU Region, and outside any
area where the amateur service is regulated by any authority
other than the FCC.
(a) For a station having a control operator who has been
granted a Technician, Technician Plus, General, Advanced, or
Amateur Extra Class operator license or who holds a CEPT
radio-amateur license or IARP of any class:
snip

§97.505 Element credit.
(a) The administering VEs must give credit as specified
below to an examinee holding any of the following license
grants or license documents:
(1) An unexpired (or expired but within the grace period for
renewal) FCC-granted Advanced Class operator license grant:
Elements 1, 2, and 3.
(2) An unexpired (or expired but within the grace period for
renewal) FCC-granted General Class operator license grant:
Elements 1, 2, and 3.
(3) An unexpired (or expired but within the grace period for
renewal) FCC-granted Technician Plus Class operator
(including a Technician Class operator license granted
before February 14, 1991) license grant: Elements 1 and 2.

§97.507 Preparing an examination.
(a) Each telegraphy message and each written question set
administered to an examinee must be prepared by a VE holding
an Amateur Extra Class operator license. A telegraphy
message or written question set may also be prepared for the
following elements by a VE holding an operator license of
the class indicated:
(1) Element 3: Advanced Class operator.
(2) Elements 1 and 2: Advanced, General, or Technician
(including Technician Plus) Class operators.
snip

Go back to 11 meters, troll...and don't come back until you know what
you're talking about.

DE John, KC2HMZ

"Twistedhed" wrote in message
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From: (Scott Unit 69)
ROLDAIGNAULT wrote:
From: Scott Unit 69
| PLEASE DO
NOT | :.:\:\:/:/:.: | FEED THE
TROLLS! | :=.' -
Keith made a legitimate request to take action to eliminate the code
testing. He provided the websites to do just that. If you happen to
disagree with him on that issue, it doesn't make it a troll post.
Keith wrote:
as soon as possible. The first protest is August
1st 6 pm local time on 28.306 USB

_
A troll is one who asks others to do something
wrong.





Yup,,that's certainly one of several definitions.



In this case, it is use of 10 meters without the

proper class of license. The second part of his
message is something that can be done. If

you wish to use 10 meters in violation of your

ticket, so be it, it's your NAL, pay it if you want.
His message is half-troll, half good idea. I

think we all just need to sit back and wait a

few more months to see what happens. You

would be better off complaining about BPL. If

it happens, HF won't mean ****, CW or not.

(Also CB, MW, TV 2 thru 6, 6 meters, VHF lo

band and harmonics out the wazoo)

__



Well, I certainly can't take issue with his approach. Massive Civil
Disobedience on a wide scale can be extremely effective. Has anyone else
thought about what this "protest" may actally lead to? Suppose a
plethora of ops show up, unlicensed and unauthorized, both, to partake
in the protest. Then they can do it again the next week, Then the week
after, and the week after,,,pretty soon, we can all be rolling onto ten
meter as a place for more quality HF spectrum with no reservations and
no licenses....with minimal enforcement...the way it ought be. Done told
them nocodes over and over,,, watch they ask for,,,,,,,they just might
get it. Some need to reach for that instant gratification, though, and
it appears no matter how much noise they make, it ain't gonna happen.
The code has it's purpose in life, and contrary to many nocodes belief,
such is not to keep them down, but to add to and enhance their radio
knowledge and capabilities.



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Code also has a purpose, in that it will get through some band conditions
that phone will not. Besides, it can be fun.

73 de Keith

Hey MOPAR: IF we got rid of Sam Morse, then HOW would the hi tech YUPPIES
relieve stress by doing something low tech such as code? Could we welcome
them to Channel 19 instead, OR would it give them MORE stress ? !
Dave!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wrote in message
...
Keith wrote:
Face it the game is over, No code techs pick up your microphones and
talk.

Lmfao!

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More Stress without Morse Stress on N8 ? !
Dave!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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"Dave or Debby" wrote:
Hey MOPAR: IF we got rid of Sam Morse, then HOW would the hi tech
YUPPIES
relieve stress by doing something low tech such as code? Could we
welcome them to Channel 19 instead, OR would it give them MORE stress ?
!
Dave!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Or Morse stress?!

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Could we welcome
them to Channel 19 instead, OR would it give them MORE stress ? !


You listen to that sh!t? I can't stand the cussing, overmodulated
scratchy audio or the echo for more then about 5 minutes.

I stay on sideband. I won't have to worry about hearing you there,
all the sideband radios were made in a communist country!!!

From: (Scott=A0Unit=A069)
Could we welcome
them to Channel 19 instead, OR would it give them MORE stress ? !
_
You listen to that sh!t? I can't stand the cussing, overmodulated
scratchy audio or the echo for more then about 5 minutes.
I stay on sideband. I won't have to worry about hearing you there, all
the sideband radios were made in a communist country!!!
_
Channel 19 is invaluable when driving the big interstate roads for many
reasons..I can't begin to count the number of times I was able to bypass
huge traffic jams by finding alternate routes. By the time one realizes
there is an accident and traffic jam ahead, it could be way too late to
exit and search for alternate routes and much time can be lost sitting
in traffic jams. The drivers know where the smokeys are, the best
coffee, food, cheap places to crash, gas prices and the best place to
get gas. Toss in the deals some of the drivers offer over the radio
(Brand New Palomar Blue Face 225s for 65 bucks, Down King Size
Comforters for 40 bucks, and all kinds of goods and gadgets) and channel
19 is a far cry from being "sh*it" as it fills many voids. One man
gathers what another man spills. Betcha 19 is around long after the
hammie bands are confiscated.

Channel 19 is invaluable when driving the big interstate roads for many
reasons..I can't begin to count the number of times I was able to bypass
huge traffic jams by finding alternate routes. By the time one realizes
there is an accident and traffic jam ahead, it could be way too late to
exit and search for alternate routes and much time can be lost sitting
in traffic jams. The drivers know where the smokeys are, the best
coffee, food, cheap places to crash, gas prices and the best place to
get gas. Toss in the deals some of the drivers offer over the radio
(Brand New Palomar Blue Face 225s for 65 bucks, Down King Size
Comforters for 40 bucks, and all kinds of goods and gadgets) and channel
19 is a far cry from being "sh*it" as it fills many voids. One man
gathers what another man spills. Betcha 19 is around long after the
hammie bands are confiscated.


You must realize the difference on 19 from city, when I am, to country.
Once you get out about 20 miles, 19 is a whole different ballgame.

Here, it is used by the radio rambos, the CB equivalent of trolls.
They all pop out at rush hour and prevent the drivers from passing
information. They even think it's funny. 19 doesn't work here.