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The only "fool" is one that can't see the forest for the trees. The gist
of the article, is matters that are of inherent concern to hammie radio,
are widely agreed upon, unlike the few who hammies in rec.radio.cb who
like to lay their life's problems at the feet of cbers who may dx.

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Not that I favor any BPL technology but it will be interesting to see
how the ever present letter of the law frequency police that troll
this group react to new rules concerning amateur radio and BPL. I
wonder if they will adhere to the letter of the law when it concerns
them?

What it will do is shut down both ham radio and cb.
Power lines (unlike CATV) are usually unshielded
and BPL will cover the ham and cb bands with solid
10 dB over s9 white noise once it gets going. The FCC wants
this BPL so bad because it will enable "Internet Ready"
appliances like Microwave Ovens, and Refrigerators.
The FCC wants everyone to click a few keys on their
cell phone and be able to tyrn on their microwave oven
or crock pot while their still on the way home on the
Interstate like George Jetson of the cartoon series of the
same name. It will also generate huge revenue for the telephone
and power line carriers who will no doubt be able to
charge big bucks for this service like the cable TV providers
do right now. Bottom line: It's all about MONEY. Always was.
Always will be. Case closed.

"Mike Cavenaaugh" wrote:
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The only "fool" is one that can't see the forest for the trees. The
gist of the article, is matters that are of inherent concern to hammie
radio, are widely agreed upon, unlike the few who hammies in
rec.radio.cb who like to lay their life's problems at the feet of
cbers who may dx.

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Not that I favor any BPL technology but it will be interesting to see
how the ever present letter of the law frequency police that troll
this group react to new rules concerning amateur radio and BPL. I
wonder if they will adhere to the letter of the law when it concerns
them?

What it will do is shut down both ham radio and cb.
Power lines (unlike CATV) are usually unshielded
and BPL will cover the ham and cb bands with solid
10 dB over s9 white noise once it gets going. The FCC wants
this BPL so bad because it will enable "Internet Ready"
appliances like Microwave Ovens, and Refrigerators.
The FCC wants everyone to click a few keys on their
cell phone and be able to tyrn on their microwave oven
or crock pot while their still on the way home on the
Interstate like George Jetson of the cartoon series of the
same name. It will also generate huge revenue for the telephone
and power line carriers who will no doubt be able to
charge big bucks for this service like the cable TV providers
do right now. Bottom line: It's all about MONEY. Always was.
Always will be. Case closed.

Yep, the BPL spells gloom and doom for air to air use. BIG money will
always win the band spectrum, and all you'll be able to do is -attempt-
to jam in incoming interference.

Does that make you a keyclown if you attempt to jam something that
is stepping on your toes!?

Shame on the mess.

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It will be interesting as it will not be protected from legitimate users. I
did not keep the URL, but tests were run in one area with BPL. Filters were
in use to "reduce" interference to the amateur bands. A test was run
connecting through BPL with a computer and a 20 meter dipole up some modest
height (again, I don't recall exact figures). It seems 20 watts or so
caused 70% packet loss and 50 watts rendered BPL 100% unusable. I'm not
going to say what will or will not be; it seems, to me at least, that there
was a lot of salesmanship and little technical thought in this whole
process. We shall see.

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim



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"Jim Hampton" wrote:
It will be interesting as it will not be protected from legitimate users.
I did not keep the URL, but tests were run in one area with BPL. Filters
were in use to "reduce" interference to the amateur bands. A test was
run connecting through BPL with a computer and a 20 meter dipole up some
modest height (again, I don't recall exact figures). It seems 20 watts
or so caused 70% packet loss and 50 watts rendered BPL 100% unusable.
I'm not going to say what will or will not be; it seems, to me at least,
that there was a lot of salesmanship and little technical thought in this
whole process. We shall see.

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim

I'm not sure anyone really knows what will happen if they
plug that in.

"We shall see" is it.

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Steveo wrote:
"Jim Hampton" wrote:

It will be interesting as it will not be protected from legitimate users.
I did not keep the URL, but tests were run in one area with BPL. Filters
were in use to "reduce" interference to the amateur bands. A test was
run connecting through BPL with a computer and a 20 meter dipole up some
modest height (again, I don't recall exact figures). It seems 20 watts
or so caused 70% packet loss and 50 watts rendered BPL 100% unusable.
I'm not going to say what will or will not be; it seems, to me at least,
that there was a lot of salesmanship and little technical thought in this
whole process. We shall see.

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim


I'm not sure anyone really knows what will happen if they
plug that in.

"We shall see" is it.


what does the gov have to say???????????

jim wrote:
Steveo wrote:
"Jim Hampton" wrote:

It will be interesting as it will not be protected from legitimate
users. I did not keep the URL, but tests were run in one area with BPL.
Filters were in use to "reduce" interference to the amateur bands. A
test was run connecting through BPL with a computer and a 20 meter
dipole up some modest height (again, I don't recall exact figures). It
seems 20 watts or so caused 70% packet loss and 50 watts rendered BPL
100% unusable. I'm not going to say what will or will not be; it seems,
to me at least, that there was a lot of salesmanship and little
technical thought in this whole process. We shall see.

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim


I'm not sure anyone really knows what will happen if they
plug that in.

"We shall see" is it.


what does the gov have to say???????????

You mean the FCC right? They seem to be all for it. ($$$)

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

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Steveo wrote:
"Jim Hampton" wrote:

It will be interesting as it will not be protected from legitimate users.
I did not keep the URL, but tests were run in one area with BPL. Filters
were in use to "reduce" interference to the amateur bands. A test was
run connecting through BPL with a computer and a 20 meter dipole up some
modest height (again, I don't recall exact figures). It seems 20 watts
or so caused 70% packet loss and 50 watts rendered BPL 100% unusable.
I'm not going to say what will or will not be; it seems, to me at least,
that there was a lot of salesmanship and little technical thought in this
whole process. We shall see.

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim


I'm not sure anyone really knows what will happen if they
plug that in.

"We shall see" is it.


what does the gov have to say???????????

You mean Gov Arnold? G

LOL!!!!!!!

Landshark


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"Landshark" wrote:
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what does the gov have to say???????????

You mean Gov Arnold? G

LOL!!!!!!!

Landshark

That's only for you left coast operators. (crazy *******s)

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Steveo wrote:
"Jim Hampton" wrote:
It will be interesting as it will not be protected from legitimate
users. I did not keep the URL, but tests were run in one area with BPL.
Filters were in use to "reduce" interference to the amateur bands. A
test was run connecting through BPL with a computer and a 20 meter
dipole up some modest height (again, I don't recall exact figures). It
seems 20 watts or so caused 70% packet loss and 50 watts rendered BPL
100% unusable. I'm not going to say what will or will not be; it seems,
to me at least, that there was a lot of salesmanship and little
technical thought in this whole process. We shall see.

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim

I'm not sure anyone really knows what will happen if they
plug that in.

"We shall see" is it.

By the way, Jim, That was a cool test description you posted.

Thanks. In fact I shared it with someone.

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