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On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 12:48:59 -0500, Jack O'Neill
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Im thinking of getting a 102" whip, I dont think I need the spring
because of where im mounting it. But is it nessesary? Should I get it
with the whip ?





Hi, been on CB since 1968. If you get the spring the whip tends to
bend back quite a bit
when doing high speeds. I used the spring only once early on. I got
myself a quick connect
and replaced the spring. Its about the same length as the spring. This
way the whip does not bend back nearly as far which is better for
transmission
and reception being it remains mostly vertical. And the quick
disconnect allows you to remove the whip quickly and
put it in your trunk!! Done this for many many years!! I'm very
pleased with it!!
73

Gen. J. O'Neill



Seeing how you brought up the bending of the antenna..........
Another disadvantage of the 102" ss whip is the gain lost because of
this bending. It is significant.


Thats why you don't use a spring. Also, remember, antenna height is
most of this hobby as far as how
good you get out. A 102 inch whip is pretty high. Best for transmit
and receive!
73

Radio Shack DLX magmount .................... 0db
K-40 .................................................. ....... .8db
Radio Shack 4.5' center load .................. 1.4db
5' Firestik ................................................ 3db
6.5" Hustler top load ............................... 4db
108' Stainless Steel whip ........................ 4.5db
7' Firestik .................................................. . 5db

K40, 8db gain? wow! bologna

Get some glasses.



I bet you didn't realize that the K-40 actually has
* more than 60db gain

* (referenced to a dummy load)

Seeing how you brought up the bending of the antenna..........
Another disadvantage of the 102" ss whip is the gain lost because of
this bending. It is significant.


Thats why you don't use a spring. Also, remember, antenna height is
most of this hobby as far as how
good you get out. A 102 inch whip is pretty high. Best for transmit
and receive!
73

It's good. It's just not the best.

Jack O'Neill wrote:

wrote:

On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 12:48:59 -0500, Jack O'Neill
wrote:



wrote:



Im thinking of getting a 102" whip, I dont think I need the spring
because of where im mounting it. But is it nessesary? Should I get it
with the whip ?





Hi, been on CB since 1968. If you get the spring the whip tends to
bend back quite a bit
when doing high speeds. I used the spring only once early on. I got
myself a quick connect
and replaced the spring. Its about the same length as the spring. This
way the whip does not bend back nearly as far which is better for
transmission
and reception being it remains mostly vertical. And the quick
disconnect allows you to remove the whip quickly and
put it in your trunk!! Done this for many many years!! I'm very
pleased with it!!
73

Gen. J. O'Neill



Seeing how you brought up the bending of the antenna..........
Another disadvantage of the 102" ss whip is the gain lost because of
this bending. It is significant.


Thats why you don't use a spring. Also, remember, antenna height is
most of this hobby as far as how
good you get out. A 102 inch whip is pretty high. Best for transmit
and receive!
73

Oh, forgot to say when I used my 102 inch whip I mounted it with a tilt
towards the front of the car slightly.
This way at 60 MPH it would stay pretty much vertical.

On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:22:23 -0500, wrote in
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You have offered nothing that would influence me to help you out.
If you want to see the numbers either believe me or do the test
completely independent of my help.


I'm not asking for your help at all, tnom. I'm trying to see how much
confidence, if any, you have in your test results. So far you haven't
been able to demonstrate any confidence whatsoever.

It has nothing to do with me not being confident in the results. It
has to do with me not being confident in any of your assertions of
a fair test. You have long ago lost my trust. Why should I start to
trust you now?

Don't bother answering! I can't trust your answer anyway.


That's why I offered, many times, to have others present to monitor
the test. Or didn't you read it the first six times I wrote it?








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Jack O'Neill schrieb:

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On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 07:58:32 -0800, Jay in the Mojave
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On 29 Jan 2006 05:21:39 -0800, "Professor"
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Radio Shack DLX magmount .................... 0db
K-40 .................................................. ....... .8db


.....

K40, 8db gain? wow! bologna


Take your glasses and read again!

K-40 .8db

Just type "'point' 8" into your calculator and look what happens..... :-)

Volker Tonn wrote:

Jack O'Neill schrieb:

wrote:

On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 07:58:32 -0800, Jay in the Mojave
wrote:



wrote:



On 29 Jan 2006 05:21:39 -0800, "Professor"
wrote:




Radio Shack DLX magmount .................... 0db
K-40 .................................................. .......
.8db


....

K40, 8db gain? wow! bologna



Take your glasses and read again!

K-40 .8db

Just type "'point' 8" into your calculator and look what happens.....
:-)


OH, .8, GOT IT!!! my goof. Thats better!! ;-)

On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:46:56 -0500, wrote in
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What doesn't make sense is you -refusing- $200 and a free antenna. If
your test results are valid then that's what you get. But since I
don't believe you ran a valid test, and you keep pushing people to buy
the antenna and test it for themselves, it only seems right that you
should have some sort of stake in this test. Since the antenna costs
you only pennies then just how much of a risk is it to you, tnom?

Seeing how my original intention was to show that the X-Terminator
was an under performer * I find it hard to believe that I fudged the
numbers so that the outcome would dispute my own statements of it
being an under performer.

* (You can research my posts on this manner that occurred before I
ever ran the test, don't ask me to do it for you)


I know exactly what you wrote as your intended purpose of the test.
You've said it many, many times, and unlike you, I can read and
understand something the -first- time.

What you -still- can't understand is that I believe your claim (as to
your original intent) to be a lie. Regardless, my intent is to do the
same; if my results are the same as yours, wouldn't that be a huge
endorsement not just for the antenna, but also for your credibility?
If your results were valid then what do you have to lose?







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On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:37:41 -0500, wrote in
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I guess I can answer that. It may be a waste of money for you but
it's pennies to me.


Then it shouldn't be a problem to gamble mere pennies to have your
test verified independently. In fact, why don't you fly over and
monitor the test for yourself, Mr. Moneybags? Unless you live in
Timbuktu the lines will take longer than the flight. And just to make
it worthwhile I can provide a whole itinerary of places to go and
things to do while you're here. We have great skiing (49 Degrees North
has about 70" at the base and 120" at the summit with 15" of new snow
as of yesterday, and that's about the same for most of the resorts).
The falls are flowing pretty high right now too, and there's a
platform at the bottom where you can stand and feel the ground
literally shake beneath your feet while you get wet from the spray. We
have an Imax theater and huge ice-skating rink right in the middle of
Riverfront Park. And I know this great little blues club that serves
up some killer chicken wings. I also think there's a hamfest coming up
soon. And I still have friends at the station who will let me take you
on a tour so you can see what a -real- "driver" looks like. They might
even let you climb the tower to replace the lamps (if you don't mind a
little ice and bird ****).

So come on over, it'll be fun!!!

I don't gamble and you have cooties anyway. Seeing how you can't
afford this antenna why don't you use your self proclaimed expertise
and make an appropriate substitute. Or maybe you can borrow one from
one of your friends at the truck stop. You do have friends don't you?


Nope. No friends at all, tnom. Never did, never will.








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On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:27:19 -0500, wrote in
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Don't even need a test on this one.


2. It looses gain bad enough that you can actually see it and
hear it. Example :

Two vehicles are traveling together down the expressway at 75mph.
One uses a K-40. The other a 102" whip. Both appear to have similar
maximum S-meter readings but the 102 " whips signal fades in and out
The K-40 does some fading but not nearly as deep as the 102".


"All we need are the facts. Just the facts. Go get the
facts. Run the test and stop posturing."

But I think this one is closer to the truth:

"You are not going to get a definitive answer from me, just
conjecture."

I'll repeat. No test is necessary in my mind. I have seen the above
scenario more than once. If you don't believe it then you test it.


In your mind is exactly where -all- your tests take place.









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