On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:40:30 -0800, Frank Gilliland
wrote:

On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:53:53 -0500, wrote in
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On 24 Jan 2006 19:28:09 -0800, wrote:

Im thinking of getting a 102" whip, I dont think I need the spring
because of where im mounting it. But is it nessesary? Should I get it
with the whip ?


You don't need the 102" stainless. I will re-post two separate tests
that confirmed that an antenna like the X-Terminator can perform
better than the 102" stainless.

*The main reason I did the test in the first place was to debunk the
notion that a short antenna like the X-Terminator could outperform the
102" stainless. I couldn't debunk it.
snip


I debunked -your- tests a long time ago, tnom:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...54d79ae?hl=en&

You didn't debunk anything. The only thing you did was unnecessarily
swamp the issue with your dribble and conjecture.It does nothing
to prove that a 102'' Stainless Steel whip will outperform the
X-Terminator. If you really wanted to prove it you'd run the test.
You don't because it would upset your thinking on antennas.

Then, like now, you resorted to name-calling to back up your results.

I said you might have cooties, I said you are dishonorable, but I
never resorted to name calling.

* I can now officially call you a name because you falsely accused me
of name calling. The truth can now be said. You are a liar.

On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 21:42:48 -0500, wrote:

On 24 Jan 2006 19:28:09 -0800, wrote:

Im thinking of getting a 102" whip, I dont think I need the spring
because of where im mounting it. But is it nessesary? Should I get it
with the whip ?

Here's another antenna test post I dug out of the archives.

********************************************

I did this test a few years ago (minus the Wilson), at least as best
I could. The problem is that when swapping the magmounts the
position might change a little bit. If the position changes a little
bit then the measured field strength may change a little bit also.
Seeing how all of these antennas are very close to begin with
then you have to wonder if the results may be off just a little bit?

Anyway's, I did run the test and attempted to calibrate the results
in db's . The calibration may be off a little bit, but the order from
the best to the worst as I measured IS accurate.

Radio Shack DLX magmount .................... 0db
K-40 .................................................. ....... .8db
Radio Shack 4.5' center load .................. 1.4db
5' Firestik ................................................ 3db
6.5" Hustler top load ............................... 4db
108' Stainless Steel whip ........................ 4.5db
7' Firestik .................................................. . 5db

Of coarse since the time of this test I have found
and measured even better antennas. Of these the
practical ones all use large diameter masting made of
highly conductive material. A large diameter, air spaced
loading coil. This coil is always upwardly located and the
overall antenna height is overfive feet tall.

^ corrected post ^

On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:22:05 -0800, Frank Gilliland
wrote:

On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:54:29 -0500, wrote in
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What's my word based on? A test.

A test with anomalous results, no follow-up research and no
independent verification.

A test is better than no test.


The Michelson-Morley experiment exposed that fallacy.
ah yes the experiment whose results would support some strange ideas
(both true and not) one being that the Opes were right and Galieio was
worng the other modern physics
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108' Stainless Steel whip ........................ 4.5db
7' Firestik .................................................. . 5db


I still think my KW-7 kicks butt! I talk skip on AM and SSB using
a small 2 pill on low.

Radio Shack DLX magmount .................... 0db
K-40 .................................................. ....... .8db
Radio Shack 4.5' center load .................. 1.4db
5' Firestik ................................................ 3db
6.5" Hustler top load ............................... 4db
108' Stainless Steel whip ........................ 4.5db
7' Firestik .................................................. . 5db

So let me understand these readings you made... the DLX antenna was
your baseline?

Professor
www.telstar-electronics.com

On 29 Jan 2006 05:21:39 -0800, "Professor"
wrote:

Radio Shack DLX magmount .................... 0db
K-40 .................................................. ....... .8db
Radio Shack 4.5' center load .................. 1.4db
5' Firestik ................................................ 3db
6.5" Hustler top load ............................... 4db
108' Stainless Steel whip ........................ 4.5db
7' Firestik .................................................. . 5db

So let me understand these readings you made... the DLX antenna was
your baseline?

Yes. It was the lowest and became the reference

Vinnie S. wrote:
72 posts fot a 102" whip? WTF? ISee what happens when I leave you
incharge for a few days !

Vinnie S.

Crack that whip!

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wrote:

On 29 Jan 2006 05:21:39 -0800, "Professor"
wrote:


Radio Shack DLX magmount .................... 0db
K-40 .................................................. ....... .8db
Radio Shack 4.5' center load .................. 1.4db
5' Firestik ................................................ 3db
6.5" Hustler top load ............................... 4db
108' Stainless Steel whip ........................ 4.5db
7' Firestik .................................................. . 5db

So let me understand these readings you made... the DLX antenna was
your baseline?


Yes. It was the lowest and became the reference

Hello Tnom:

Good going doing the testing. There are a lot of guys out there that do
not test anything and just recite books. Usually the guys who write the
books aren't the guys who design and test the antennas. And that testing
data is held quiet in the companies files.

I hear this recited stuff all the time. But theres no substitute for
hands on testing and comparison testing.

What was used for the field strength measuring device?

Jay in the Mojave

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The 102" rocks, except for its tree pruning and over-hang scraping
qualities..oh and it's a bit on the odious side appearance wise. I
have
that mount and a Wilson 1000 on one of my trucks, I rarely put the
102"
on because of the noise it makes banging off of things, and it's
somewhat directional mounted on the step bumper. (good dx shooter)

The Wilson 1000 mag mount is hard to beat for most practical
applications.

I have mine mounted in the center of my truck box, puts it pretty
close
to center. I have to tie down for the drive through.

The 102?

Yup, drilled 4 holes in the back side in the center of the box and
covered
it with silicone and used a mirror mount. But with the 4 inch lift and
the
big mudders I had to tie it down to go through the drive through the car
wash has a truck bay so no problems there. Mind you this is not my daily
driver, not at 8mpg.

Get rid of the linear.

Get a BIGGER linear.

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On 24 Jan 2006 19:28:09 -0800, wrote:

Im thinking of getting a 102" whip, I dont think I need the spring
because of where im mounting it. But is it nessesary? Should I get it
with the whip ?

Here's another antenna test post I dug out of the archives.

********************************************

I did this test a few years ago (minus the Wilson), at least as best
I could. The problem is that when swapping the magmounts the
position might change a little bit. If the position changes a little
bit then the measured field strength may change a little bit also.
Seeing how all of these antennas are very close to begin with
then you have to wonder if the results may be off just a little bit?

Anyway's, I did run the test and attempted to calibrate the results
in db's . The calibration may be off a little bit, but the order from
the best to the worst as I measured IS accurate.

Radio Shack DLX magmount .................... 0db
K-40 .................................................. ....... .8db
Radio Shack 4.5' center load .................. 1.4db
5' Firestik ................................................ 3db
6.5" Hustler top load ............................... 4db
108' Stainless Steel whip ........................ 4.5db
7' Firestik .................................................. . 5db

Of coarse since the time of this test I have found
and measured even better antennas. Of these the
practical ones all use large diameter masting made of
highly conductive material. A large diameter, air spaced
loading coil. This coil is always upwardly located and the
overall antenna height

Damn Tnom, a 102 on a mag mount? You should be whipped. LOL