On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 16:11:34 -0500, wrote in
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Seeing how you brought up the bending of the antenna..........
Another disadvantage of the 102" ss whip is the gain lost because of
this bending. It is significant.


Where are your test results showing a "significant" loss of gain with
a wind-bent antenna?

Don't even need a test on this one.


In your own words:

"If you really wanted to prove it you'd run the test. You don't
because it would upset your thinking on antennas."

"A test is better than no test."


1. It can be mathematically calculated. ( I'll let you do that)


"I don't care what makes it bad. Do the test then you can hypothesize
as to why it didn't perform."


2. It looses gain bad enough that you can actually see it and
hear it. Example :

Two vehicles are traveling together down the expressway at 75mph.
One uses a K-40. The other a 102" whip. Both appear to have similar
maximum S-meter readings but the 102 " whips signal fades in and out
The K-40 does some fading but not nearly as deep as the 102".


"All we need are the facts. Just the facts. Go get the
facts. Run the test and stop posturing."

But I think this one is closer to the truth:

"You are not going to get a definitive answer from me, just
conjecture."






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O
Seeing how you brought up the bending of the antenna..........
Another disadvantage of the 102" ss whip is the gain lost because of
this bending. It is significant.


Where are your test results showing a "significant" loss of gain with
a wind-bent antenna?

Don't even need a test on this one.

1. It can be mathematically calculated. ( I'll let you do that)

2. It looses gain bad enough that you can actually see it and
hear it. Example :

Two vehicles are traveling together down the expressway at 75mph.
One uses a K-40. The other a 102" whip. Both appear to have similar
maximum S-meter readings but the 102 " whips signal fades in and out
The K-40 does some fading but not nearly as deep as the 102".

Never had that problem unless I was shooting skip.

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On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 12:48:59 -0500, Jack O'Neill
wrote:



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Im thinking of getting a 102" whip, I dont think I need the spring
because of where im mounting it. But is it nessesary? Should I get it
with the whip ?





Hi, been on CB since 1968. If you get the spring the whip tends to
bend back quite a bit
when doing high speeds. I used the spring only once early on. I got
myself a quick connect
and replaced the spring. Its about the same length as the spring. This
way the whip does not bend back nearly as far which is better for
transmission
and reception being it remains mostly vertical. And the quick
disconnect allows you to remove the whip quickly and
put it in your trunk!! Done this for many many years!! I'm very
pleased with it!!
73

Gen. J. O'Neill



Seeing how you brought up the bending of the antenna..........
Another disadvantage of the 102" ss whip is the gain lost because of
this bending. It is significant.


Thats why you don't use a spring. Also, remember, antenna height is
most of this hobby as far as how
good you get out. A 102 inch whip is pretty high. Best for transmit
and receive!
73

Seeing how you brought up the bending of the antenna..........
Another disadvantage of the 102" ss whip is the gain lost because of
this bending. It is significant.


Thats why you don't use a spring. Also, remember, antenna height is
most of this hobby as far as how
good you get out. A 102 inch whip is pretty high. Best for transmit
and receive!
73

It's good. It's just not the best.

Jack O'Neill wrote:

wrote:

On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 12:48:59 -0500, Jack O'Neill
wrote:



wrote:



Im thinking of getting a 102" whip, I dont think I need the spring
because of where im mounting it. But is it nessesary? Should I get it
with the whip ?





Hi, been on CB since 1968. If you get the spring the whip tends to
bend back quite a bit
when doing high speeds. I used the spring only once early on. I got
myself a quick connect
and replaced the spring. Its about the same length as the spring. This
way the whip does not bend back nearly as far which is better for
transmission
and reception being it remains mostly vertical. And the quick
disconnect allows you to remove the whip quickly and
put it in your trunk!! Done this for many many years!! I'm very
pleased with it!!
73

Gen. J. O'Neill



Seeing how you brought up the bending of the antenna..........
Another disadvantage of the 102" ss whip is the gain lost because of
this bending. It is significant.


Thats why you don't use a spring. Also, remember, antenna height is
most of this hobby as far as how
good you get out. A 102 inch whip is pretty high. Best for transmit
and receive!
73

Oh, forgot to say when I used my 102 inch whip I mounted it with a tilt
towards the front of the car slightly.
This way at 60 MPH it would stay pretty much vertical.

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YIKES!

"Steveo" wrote in message
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wrote:

On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 12:48:59 -0500, Jack O'Neill
wrote:



wrote:



Im thinking of getting a 102" whip, I dont think I need the spring
because of where im mounting it. But is it nessesary? Should I get it
with the whip ?





Hi, been on CB since 1968. If you get the spring the whip tends to
bend back quite a bit
when doing high speeds. I used the spring only once early on. I got
myself a quick connect
and replaced the spring. Its about the same length as the spring. This
way the whip does not bend back nearly as far which is better for
transmission
and reception being it remains mostly vertical. And the quick
disconnect allows you to remove the whip quickly and
put it in your trunk!! Done this for many many years!! I'm very
pleased with it!!
73

Gen. J. O'Neill



Seeing how you brought up the bending of the antenna..........
Another disadvantage of the 102" ss whip is the gain lost because of
this bending. It is significant.


That's why you don't use a spring. Also, remember, antenna height is
most of this hobby as far as how
good you get out. A 102 inch whip is pretty high. Best for transmit
and receive!
73


Does that help ya: )

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YIKES!


yea, whats up with that??

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On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 12:48:59 -0500, Jack O'Neill
wrote:

wrote:

Im thinking of getting a 102" whip, I dont think I need the spring
because of where im mounting it. But is it nessesary? Should I get it
with the whip ?



Hi, been on CB since 1968. If you get the spring the whip tends to
bend back quite a bit
when doing high speeds. I used the spring only once early on. I got
myself a quick connect
and replaced the spring. Its about the same length as the spring. This
way the whip does not bend back nearly as far which is better for
transmission
and reception being it remains mostly vertical. And the quick
disconnect allows you to remove the whip quickly and
put it in your trunk!! Done this for many many years!! I'm very
pleased with it!!
73

Gen. J. O'Neill

Seeing how you brought up the bending of the antenna..........
Another disadvantage of the 102" ss whip is the gain lost because of
this bending. It is significant.

Without the spring a good (not RS) 102" won't bend that much to make a
difference. I've always had one on my trucks over the years. We did have a
freezing rain storm a few years back, going 55 to 60mph the ice formation
had it bent pretty good.

"DrDeath" wrote in message
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On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 12:48:59 -0500, Jack O'Neill
wrote:

wrote:

Im thinking of getting a 102" whip, I dont think I need the spring
because of where im mounting it. But is it nessesary? Should I get it
with the whip ?



Hi, been on CB since 1968. If you get the spring the whip tends to
bend back quite a bit
when doing high speeds. I used the spring only once early on. I got
myself a quick connect
and replaced the spring. Its about the same length as the spring. This
way the whip does not bend back nearly as far which is better for
transmission
and reception being it remains mostly vertical. And the quick
disconnect allows you to remove the whip quickly and
put it in your trunk!! Done this for many many years!! I'm very
pleased with it!!
73

Gen. J. O'Neill

Seeing how you brought up the bending of the antenna..........
Another disadvantage of the 102" ss whip is the gain lost because of
this bending. It is significant.

Without the spring a good (not RS) 102" won't bend that much to make a
difference. I've always had one on my trucks over the years. We did have a
freezing rain storm a few years back, going 55 to 60mph the ice formation
had it bent pretty good.


Is it just me, or does 55-60 MPH seem a little fast for an ice storm? I must
be getting old....