On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 21:36:11 -0500, wrote in
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The only problem is that you never have put your 102" ss up against
the antenna I am speaking of, and we should never trust the claim of
others. You and me included.

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It still astounds me that people such as you think the rest of us are
so dumb as to fall for your lame-brained fallacies. Well, we aren't.

I stand corrected. You should never say never.


No, -YOU- should never say never.


I've suggested reasons for the results, but admitted that I don't have
a definitive conclusion as to WHY the results were as is,nor do I have
to in order to post the results.


What's the difference between that and peddling snake-oil?

Because I admit that I am not sure of the reasons for the result but I
am sure of the result. I am not peddling anything other than the
truth. You don't have to buy it.


So the truth is that you have no idea why you got the results that you
did, correct?







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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:44:56 -0800, Frank Gilliland
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 21:37:42 -0500, wrote in
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Send me an antenna and I'll do the test. Well?

Are you on welfare? I owe you nothing.


I have no intention of keeping it -- I wouldn't -dare- drive around
town with that gawd-awful contraption on my truck. Rest assured I'll
send it back. So whaddya say?

You have proven through the years to be less than honorable, so no,
I will make no attempt to loan you anything.


How about I send you a deposit for the cost of the antenna, then when
I return it you send the deposit back? Any problem with that?

No deal. If it is important to you then you would find a way to test
these antennas. I don't generally loan anything out.

wrote:

You don't need a antenna test range to determine relative gains.
I can only confirm the antennas I have tested. The R-S 102"ss
and the Workman X-Terminator are two of them.


Maybe so but what would convince an operator who has never used either
to pick your choice of an ant over the other? Just because you said so?


No. I said you don't have to believe me. The best I can do is to hope
that someone's interest has been sparked enough so that they would
do the side by side test them self. No one has bothered, so no one can
do any better than hypothesize.


Nothing you have posted has proven the relative worth of an X-terminator
being a better ant than any 102" whip. General consesus on this board
claims the 102" whip is superior to anything else. Not saying you are an
agent for the X-terminator but where are the hard facts?


True, the general consensus is that I am wrong. Years ago the general
consensus was that the world was flat.
hehehe hopefully you found an ant that is better than the whip and you
will go down in the annals of history as another copernicus. cheers as
its getting late on the east coast.

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 21:49:03 -0500, wrote in
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:44:56 -0800, Frank Gilliland
wrote:

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 21:37:42 -0500, wrote in
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Send me an antenna and I'll do the test. Well?

Are you on welfare? I owe you nothing.


I have no intention of keeping it -- I wouldn't -dare- drive around
town with that gawd-awful contraption on my truck. Rest assured I'll
send it back. So whaddya say?

You have proven through the years to be less than honorable, so no,
I will make no attempt to loan you anything.


How about I send you a deposit for the cost of the antenna, then when
I return it you send the deposit back? Any problem with that?

No deal. If it is important to you then you would find a way to test
these antennas. I don't generally loan anything out.


Okay, then how about this: I'll buy one of those antennas, and if it
doesn't perform as well or better than a 9' whip then you agree to buy
it from me for the price I paid plus shipping. After all, if the
antenna is as good as you say it is then you shouldn't have any
problem reselling it, right? So?






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True, the general consensus is that I am wrong. Years ago the general
consensus was that the world was flat.
hehehe hopefully you found an ant that is better than the whip and you
will go down in the annals of history as another copernicus. cheers as
its getting late on the east coast.

It looks like I have to explain once again exactly what I am saying.

No shortened antenna can beat a full 1/4 wave length antenna of good
design. I have shown this in my tests. The X-Terminator can be beat by
a 1/4 wave length antenna, but with the same tests the X-Terminator
can beat the RS 102" ss whip.

Okay, then how about this: I'll buy one of those antennas, and if it
doesn't perform as well or better than a 9' whip then you agree to buy
it from me for the price I paid plus shipping. After all, if the
antenna is as good as you say it is then you shouldn't have any
problem reselling it, right? So?

I said these posts have been direct. So I guess I'll continue.

I don't trust much of anything about you. NO

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 21:59:11 -0500, wrote in
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True, the general consensus is that I am wrong. Years ago the general
consensus was that the world was flat.
hehehe hopefully you found an ant that is better than the whip and you
will go down in the annals of history as another copernicus. cheers as
its getting late on the east coast.

It looks like I have to explain once again exactly what I am saying.

No shortened antenna can beat a full 1/4 wave length antenna of good
design. I have shown this in my tests. The X-Terminator can be beat by
a 1/4 wave length antenna, but with the same tests the X-Terminator
can beat the RS 102" ss whip.


Then how or why is the RS 102" whip a 'bad' design? Heck, it's just a
straight, single piece of steel rod with a little ball on the end,
just like every other SS whip, even the ones on cop cars. So what
makes RS whips so bad that their performance is worse than a 5' loaded
antenna? Or, if that's what you can't figure out, then what comprises
a "good" design for a 1/4-wave whip? Selling it at a different store?
I hope not, since those whips aren't exclusive to Radio Shaft -- the
store chain is only a distributor, not the manufacturer, and you can
be certain that the same whips have been sold under other brand names.
Have you tried any other brand name 102" whips?








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No shortened antenna can beat a full 1/4 wave length antenna of good
design. I have shown this in my tests. The X-Terminator can be beat by
a 1/4 wave length antenna, but with the same tests the X-Terminator
can beat the RS 102" ss whip.


Then how or why is the RS 102" whip a 'bad' design?

It's secondary and arguable as to why it does what it does. All one
really has to know is what it does.

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 22:03:37 -0500, wrote in
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Okay, then how about this: I'll buy one of those antennas, and if it
doesn't perform as well or better than a 9' whip then you agree to buy
it from me for the price I paid plus shipping. After all, if the
antenna is as good as you say it is then you shouldn't have any
problem reselling it, right? So?

I said these posts have been direct. So I guess I'll continue.

I don't trust much of anything about you. NO


Well you sure don't seem too willing to put your money where your
mouth is...... are you so financially strapped that you can't afford
to take the risk on someone who has not only bought and sold radios in
this newsgroup without any complaints, but has also sent free parts to
some on occasion? Or is my identity so obscured that you think I'll
disappear into the shadows with your precious antenna, never to be
heard from again?

Naw, you're just making excuses because you are afraid of an objective
test of your antenna. I'm suprised you didn't try to pre-empt my offer
by suggesting that the results of any test I make will be biased, but
then again you are kinda slow.....

Final offer: You find someone in my area with one of your antennas and
we'll go test them up on the plains. The testing will be monitored by
your volunteer so there will be no doubt about the results. Then I'll
post the results in the newsgroup. How 'bout it, tnom?








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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 22:14:46 -0500, wrote in
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No shortened antenna can beat a full 1/4 wave length antenna of good
design. I have shown this in my tests. The X-Terminator can be beat by
a 1/4 wave length antenna, but with the same tests the X-Terminator
can beat the RS 102" ss whip.


Then how or why is the RS 102" whip a 'bad' design?

It's secondary and arguable as to why it does what it does. All one
really has to know is what it does.


But we only have your word on that, which seems to differ from the
word of everyone else in this group. But according to you, "we should
never trust the claim of others. You and me included." So dig right
into "secondary and arguable" since it doesn't matter anyway -- what
makes a Rat Shack whip such a bad design?







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