"NO SPAM" wrote in message n
Well, I know the "Fault" was found in this case... Now, why did it buzz? Do
you really think anything is going to jump out and say - here I am? I doubt
it.
RF with anything in electronics, needs "Experience". THAT keeps you from
wasting lots of time guessing. You get a feel for the problem, a sense of
direction and follow the leads. People who GUESS and waste time doing so,
ARE NOT EXPERIENCED.

Back to the fault, not having it here to visualize, I can't say for certain,
but I'd bet a lack of shielding had a major role in it. The "'triggering"
circuit most likely was being affected, somehow. RF doesn't always have to
make sense. But if you narrow down the parts affected and know that RF was
the cause, then you can work towards a cure to keep it from happening again.

NS

Nah, your talking total crap! - confused by trying to do this by
remote control and getting lost in your own brilliance..... Experience
is the name for seeing the same fault before, a feel for the problem
is making a link to something similar.
But I can guarrantee my method would have werked - why, because I
would have checked it was the socket and not something else attatched
to it that was buzzing. - as the home handyman did - perhaps he is an
experienced electronics engineer like you suggest who called upon his
"experience" or maybe he just looked for the blatantly obvious!
And if a $10 hairdryer is suffering RFI - big deal, dump it in the
bin, or press the reset button. No complex theory involved here sonny.
Have you had 20 years experience, or the same year 20 times
over.......

Andrew VK3BFA

"Andrew VK3BFA" wrote in message
om...
"NO SPAM" wrote in message n
Well, I know the "Fault" was found in this case... Now, why did it buzz?
Do
you really think anything is going to jump out and say - here I am? I
doubt
it.
RF with anything in electronics, needs "Experience". THAT keeps you from
wasting lots of time guessing. You get a feel for the problem, a sense
of
direction and follow the leads. People who GUESS and waste time doing
so,
ARE NOT EXPERIENCED.

Back to the fault, not having it here to visualize, I can't say for
certain,
but I'd bet a lack of shielding had a major role in it. The
"'triggering"
circuit most likely was being affected, somehow. RF doesn't always have
to
make sense. But if you narrow down the parts affected and know that RF
was
the cause, then you can work towards a cure to keep it from happening
again.

NS

Nah, your talking total crap! - confused by trying to do this by
remote control and getting lost in your own brilliance..... Experience
is the name for seeing the same fault before, a feel for the problem
is making a link to something similar.
But I can guarrantee my method would have werked - why, because I
would have checked it was the socket and not something else attatched
to it that was buzzing. - as the home handyman did - perhaps he is an
experienced electronics engineer like you suggest who called upon his
"experience" or maybe he just looked for the blatantly obvious!
And if a $10 hairdryer is suffering RFI - big deal, dump it in the
bin, or press the reset button. No complex theory involved here sonny.
Have you had 20 years experience, or the same year 20 times
over.......

Andrew VK3BFA

WHATEVER...... The man got the problem cured for the most part, I don't have
time to argue all the aspects of RF interference. Read a damned book.

NS

Just to add to this, I plugged in the toaster, the microwave oven and
several other appliances and the only thing that caused the socket to
buzz when I key the HT is the hair dryer which is on OFF (but not
reset). When I pushed the reset button with the hair dryer still off,
the socket didn't buzz. I would like to understand exactly what
internally in the socket is causing that buzz which is extremely loud.
Does anyone know? Thanks for your responses to my thread.

"moth ." wrote in message
...
Just to add to this, I plugged in the toaster, the microwave oven and
several other appliances and the only thing that caused the socket to
buzz when I key the HT is the hair dryer which is on OFF (but not
reset). When I pushed the reset button with the hair dryer still off,
the socket didn't buzz. I would like to understand exactly what
internally in the socket is causing that buzz which is extremely loud.
Does anyone know? Thanks for your responses to my thread.


I defer to the "expert" - can hardly wait to hear the rest of the story. Go
ahead Andrew! Lets hear it........

NS

"NO SPAM" wrote in message erio.net...
"moth ." wrote in message
...
Just to add to this, I plugged in the toaster, the microwave oven and
several other appliances and the only thing that caused the socket to
buzz when I key the HT is the hair dryer which is on OFF (but not
reset). When I pushed the reset button with the hair dryer still off,
the socket didn't buzz. I would like to understand exactly what
internally in the socket is causing that buzz which is extremely loud.
Does anyone know? Thanks for your responses to my thread.


I defer to the "expert" - can hardly wait to hear the rest of the story. Go
ahead Andrew! Lets hear it........

NS

What the F**** are you raving on about - all I suggested was simple,
basic observational fault finding would be a good place to start - if
you want to make it complicated, then you are not doing this sort of
thing to make a living!
Andrew VK3BFA

"Andrew VK3BFA" wrote in message
m...
"NO SPAM" wrote in message
erio.net...
"moth ." wrote in message
...
Just to add to this, I plugged in the toaster, the microwave oven and
several other appliances and the only thing that caused the socket to
buzz when I key the HT is the hair dryer which is on OFF (but not
reset). When I pushed the reset button with the hair dryer still off,
the socket didn't buzz. I would like to understand exactly what
internally in the socket is causing that buzz which is extremely loud.
Does anyone know? Thanks for your responses to my thread.


I defer to the "expert" - can hardly wait to hear the rest of the story.
Go
ahead Andrew! Lets hear it........

NS

What the F**** are you raving on about - all I suggested was simple,
basic observational fault finding would be a good place to start - if
you want to make it complicated, then you are not doing this sort of
thing to make a living!
Andrew VK3BFA

You didn't tell the man what he wants to know about the rest of it, so since
you have all the freaking knowledge, let's hear it! If it is so freaking
simple that he could "look" at it, then how come he needs to ask? SO, GUIDE
HIM, HELP HIM "SEE" IT. Don't answer me, help the man!

As for my experience and income ability, it's none of your business. Has
nothing to do with this post. Hams who are not EMPLOYED in electronics
fields often have more RF experience than some 2 way radio techs out there
who deal with it FOR a living. I'm just saying NOT ALL is so simple as to
"JUST" look at it.

NS

" I would like to understand exactly what
internally in the socket is causing that buzz which is extremely loud.
Does anyone know? Thanks for your responses to my thread.


I defer to the "expert" - can hardly wait to hear the rest of the story.
Go
ahead Andrew! Lets hear it........

NS

What the F**** are you raving on about - all I suggested was simple,
basic observational fault finding would be a good place to start - if
you want to make it complicated, then you are not doing this sort of
thing to make a living!
Andrew VK3BFA

You didn't tell the man what he wants to know about the rest of it, so since
you have all the freaking knowledge, let's hear it! If it is so freaking
simple that he could "look" at it, then how come he needs to ask? SO, GUIDE
HIM, HELP HIM "SEE" IT. Don't answer me, help the man!

Oh, sorry. Well, - first, check if anything is plugged into the
socket. (Very important - stops spawning of silly theories from
newsgroups participants) See if noise vanishes when object removed. If
it does, then socket not faulty and radio problem solved. Go to
Alt.Electronics.Hairdryers and post hairdryer fault question so
hairdryer experts can offer plausible explanation.

As for my experience and income ability, it's none of your business. Has
nothing to do with this post. Hams who are not EMPLOYED in electronics
fields often have more RF experience than some 2 way radio techs out there
who deal with it FOR a living.I'm just saying NOT ALL is so simple as to
"JUST" look at it.


Certainly, "not all" is simple - thats why we have people studying
quantum mechanics. And one of the things you learn very early in
electronics (or , indeed, any other field) is that a rocket science
approach is usually not necessary - try the simple things first.

As for the reason the hairdryer was making buzzing noises - who
cares....... but if you are REALLY, REALLY interested and have lots of
time on your hands, nothing more meaningful do do with your life, then
there are countless ways you can hypothesise(sp) but until you get
your hands on the actual hairdryer they are just that, idle
speculation. And really, if there wasnt a single working hairdryer on
the planet, would it bother you all that much?

And my remarks were addressed to you - I was asking you to question
your own problem solving methodology (in case you hadnt noticed, the
problem HAD been solved ages ago).

Anything else you want to get ****ty about?

de VK3BFA Andrew.

" I would like to understand exactly what
internally in the socket is causing that buzz which is extremely loud.
Does anyone know? Thanks for your responses to my thread.


I defer to the "expert" - can hardly wait to hear the rest of the story.
Go
ahead Andrew! Lets hear it........

NS

What the F**** are you raving on about - all I suggested was simple,
basic observational fault finding would be a good place to start - if
you want to make it complicated, then you are not doing this sort of
thing to make a living!
Andrew VK3BFA

You didn't tell the man what he wants to know about the rest of it, so since
you have all the freaking knowledge, let's hear it! If it is so freaking
simple that he could "look" at it, then how come he needs to ask? SO, GUIDE
HIM, HELP HIM "SEE" IT. Don't answer me, help the man!

Oh, sorry. Well, - first, check if anything is plugged into the
socket. (Very important - stops spawning of silly theories from
newsgroups participants) See if noise vanishes when object removed. If
it does, then socket not faulty and radio problem solved. Go to
Alt.Electronics.Hairdryers and post hairdryer fault question so
hairdryer experts can offer plausible explanation.

As for my experience and income ability, it's none of your business. Has
nothing to do with this post. Hams who are not EMPLOYED in electronics
fields often have more RF experience than some 2 way radio techs out there
who deal with it FOR a living.I'm just saying NOT ALL is so simple as to
"JUST" look at it.


Certainly, "not all" is simple - thats why we have people studying
quantum mechanics. And one of the things you learn very early in
electronics (or , indeed, any other field) is that a rocket science
approach is usually not necessary - try the simple things first.

As for the reason the hairdryer was making buzzing noises - who
cares....... but if you are REALLY, REALLY interested and have lots of
time on your hands, nothing more meaningful do do with your life, then
there are countless ways you can hypothesise(sp) but until you get
your hands on the actual hairdryer they are just that, idle
speculation. And really, if there wasnt a single working hairdryer on
the planet, would it bother you all that much?

And my remarks were addressed to you - I was asking you to question
your own problem solving methodology (in case you hadnt noticed, the
problem HAD been solved ages ago).

Anything else you want to get ****ty about?

de VK3BFA Andrew.

" I would like to understand exactly what
internally in the socket is causing that buzz which is extremely loud.
Does anyone know? Thanks for your responses to my thread.


I defer to the "expert" - can hardly wait to hear the rest of the story.
Go
ahead Andrew! Lets hear it........

NS

What the F**** are you raving on about - all I suggested was simple,
basic observational fault finding would be a good place to start - if
you want to make it complicated, then you are not doing this sort of
thing to make a living!
Andrew VK3BFA

You didn't tell the man what he wants to know about the rest of it, so since
you have all the freaking knowledge, let's hear it! If it is so freaking
simple that he could "look" at it, then how come he needs to ask? SO, GUIDE
HIM, HELP HIM "SEE" IT. Don't answer me, help the man!

Oh, sorry. Well, - first, check if anything is plugged into the
socket. (Very important - stops spawning of silly theories from
newsgroups participants) See if noise vanishes when object removed. If
it does, then socket not faulty and radio problem solved. Go to
Alt.Electronics.Hairdryers and post hairdryer fault question so
hairdryer experts can offer plausible explanation.

As for my experience and income ability, it's none of your business. Has
nothing to do with this post. Hams who are not EMPLOYED in electronics
fields often have more RF experience than some 2 way radio techs out there
who deal with it FOR a living.I'm just saying NOT ALL is so simple as to
"JUST" look at it.


Certainly, "not all" is simple - thats why we have people studying
quantum mechanics. And one of the things you learn very early in
electronics (or , indeed, any other field) is that a rocket science
approach is usually not necessary - try the simple things first.

As for the reason the hairdryer was making buzzing noises - who
cares....... but if you are REALLY, REALLY interested and have lots of
time on your hands, nothing more meaningful do do with your life, then
there are countless ways you can hypothesise(sp) but until you get
your hands on the actual hairdryer they are just that, idle
speculation. And really, if there wasnt a single working hairdryer on
the planet, would it bother you all that much?

And my remarks were addressed to you - I was asking you to question
your own problem solving methodology (in case you hadnt noticed, the
problem HAD been solved ages ago).

Anything else you want to get ****ty about?

de VK3BFA Andrew.

"Andrew VK3BFA" wrote in message
m...
"NO SPAM" wrote in message
erio.net...
"moth ." wrote in message
...
Just to add to this, I plugged in the toaster, the microwave oven and
several other appliances and the only thing that caused the socket to
buzz when I key the HT is the hair dryer which is on OFF (but not
reset). When I pushed the reset button with the hair dryer still off,
the socket didn't buzz. I would like to understand exactly what
internally in the socket is causing that buzz which is extremely loud.
Does anyone know? Thanks for your responses to my thread.


I defer to the "expert" - can hardly wait to hear the rest of the story.
Go
ahead Andrew! Lets hear it........

NS

What the F**** are you raving on about - all I suggested was simple,
basic observational fault finding would be a good place to start - if
you want to make it complicated, then you are not doing this sort of
thing to make a living!
Andrew VK3BFA

You didn't tell the man what he wants to know about the rest of it, so since
you have all the freaking knowledge, let's hear it! If it is so freaking
simple that he could "look" at it, then how come he needs to ask? SO, GUIDE
HIM, HELP HIM "SEE" IT. Don't answer me, help the man!

As for my experience and income ability, it's none of your business. Has
nothing to do with this post. Hams who are not EMPLOYED in electronics
fields often have more RF experience than some 2 way radio techs out there
who deal with it FOR a living. I'm just saying NOT ALL is so simple as to
"JUST" look at it.

NS