From: "K4YZ" on Mon,May 23 2005 4:53 am

wrote:
From: "bb" on Sun,May 22 2005 8:29 am

The Reluctant Marine! Figures. Even reluctant people serve. So
how
did Jim serve in other way?

Tsk. Stebie was GROUND crew.

Steve was an Avionics Technician. MOS's 6612, 6616 and 6323.
(And
B-Billet 8981...)

Care to figure out from what MOS's (among others...) the USMC
get's it's Enlisted Aircrews, Lennie?

Nope. This newsgroup is about AMATEUR RADIO POLICY, not
the glory and history of the USMC.

So...Seve can tell us exactly WHAT those MOSs DO, can he? :-)

Tsk, so far Seve has AVOIDED stating outright that he was
an aircrewman. That leaves only GROUND crew...which are
as important as any position for 40-year-old aircraft designs.

You don't "give" me anything. My service is not up for your
approval.

Nor mine. I went where I was assigned. Anyone can see where at:

Both of your service's ARE "up for approval"...You put it there.

BWWWAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!

Up yours, Seve. :-)


If you think that my "maintenance" MOS meant I never left the
ground, you've once again demonstrated your complete and utter lack of
knowledge and experience on yet another topic, Lennie.

Tsk, tsk, STILL no statement of exactly what Seve did as
"aircrew."

BWWWAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!


Since you're so busy mouse-clicking lately, why don't you avail
yourself of some knowledge on USN/USMC Enlisted Aircrew training and
deployment, Lennie...?!?!

BWWWAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!


Putz.

Seve, K4YZ

Tsk, tsk...not good Recruiting Sergeant behavior there...

Temper fry...

From: "bb" on Mon,May 23 2005 4:50 pm

wrote:
From: "bb" on Sun,May 22 2005 8:13 am

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

The last five Presidents of the United States seem
to

No...you keep "volunteering" to collect a paycheck.

Hi! I suppose you wrote "VOID" across your paychecks and sent them
back?

He probably sent them all to the ARRL Truss Fund. :-)

I wonder if Stebie has bothered to study recent USA history?
He left out FOUR Presidents who served in the military since
FDR...and I'm not counting Dubya.

He's not too bright. He thought he was heading somewhere with that.

Sevie committed Navigational Error! Wrong HEADING! :-)

Of course, there's the possibility he suffers from mental
blackouts and just cannot remember American history.
Traumatic Stress Syndrome from those "seven hostile actions?"


Poor fella thinks the Constitution of the USA has some kind of
paragraph saying "everyone has to abide by this wanna-be Dill
Sergeant (with the pursed, pickled lips and sour disposition).

He needs to be ignored. His shrillness level will go up until he is
able to break glass.

Since I and my wife each got LCD flat-panel displays last
year, I'm not worried about him breaking our monitors.
I may have to sleeve the fluorescents over the L-desk in
translucent sleeving, though.

As for "shrillness" [plus outrage] at least 40 db over S9,
wait until I show a copy of his "dishonoring my unit"
message to the guys who are going to be at the Westwood
federal cemetary on Memorial Day! Poor Sevie gonna be
so outnumbered by REAL veterans... :-(


So why are you bringing up the defense of the Constitution here?

Sorry, Brian, Stebie IS the Constitution! Hi, hi!

I guess he thought he was going somewhere with that and for a
split-second I thought he might be going somewhere with it, too. But
I
was wrong.

Tsk, the only place he went was out-the-door, out-to-lunch,
out-of-his-mind. He's hard to follow, allatime being in
such a RAGE.

You really ought to get your stuff in one sock before starting off
on a
new rant tangent.

Looks like an internal battle among his personalities...one
shouted
out of turn...

I'd love to watch him do drill, calling out commands to the other
hims.

Yes, that DOES sound interesting and amusing... :-)


Tsk. Stebie IS the Constitution! :-)

Saying anything against Stebie is Sedition, Treason Against
The State!!!

Flat tire.

That "tire" still has LOTS of hot air in it... :-)


Ah, not quite from Stebie's point of view. In his distorted view
Stebie is "always truthful" but everyone who doesn't like him is
a "LIAR," "deceitful," "hates ham radio," and/or has underarm
odor.

I see Steve for what he is. Impotent and angry.

Sure looks that way.


Why would you expect Jim to answer such an insulting
question when
YOU have overtly refused to answer questions he's put to you for
YEARS,
Brain?

Why wouldn't he? He has no problem insulting others.

Tsk, now Jimmie Noserve is going to be furious! Jimmie "NEVER"
"insults" anyone...all he does is "point out mistakes" that
"others do." :-)

The record states otherwise. Jim can be just as abusive as his
henchmen.

True enough again. "Henchmen" = PCTA Extra Double Standards
bearers.


Tsk. Readers are still unaware of Stebie's mighty warrior acts
WHEN and WHERE of those "seven hostile actions!"

They apparently haven't seen his stated desires to see me at Dayton.

Maybe he just needs eyeglasses? He probably won't go to the
largest eyeglass chain due to the name: Lenscrafters. Hi hi.

Maybe they were "special ops" and veddy, veddy "secret" that
Stebie can't reveal? :-)

[gosh, maybe we can hear one of his "HALO Drop" stories?]

Impotent and angry.

Not enough medals in his cigar box. He needs to check out
www.grunt.com, "Sgt Grit - 'if we don't have it, Chesty
wouldn't want it!'" Lots of goodies there. Hi hi.

So is Jim checking out the governments needs over in the desert?
He
would be drawing a nice, tax-free paycheck.

Jimmie is "serving in other ways" by defending the Constitution
of the ARRL...against all enemies, especially the domestic
no-coders. Plus he is probably training for another marathon,
another "service for his country." Hi, hi!

Jim is delicate, gets frustrated when his fascade fades.

Awwwwww....

That and keeping his Time Machine running so he can jump back
to times when Kode was King in raddio. "Important national
service," you bet! :-)

insert eight lines of all-caps hyena laghter here

I especially like his trips down memory lane where we had an active
amateur radio service during WWII.

Jimmie might have amended that by now. Remember that Jimmie's
statements are always "correct" and his "mission" is to "simply
correct others' mistakes!" Said so hisself. Hi hi hi hi!!!!



[NOT affiliated with Lenscrafters]

From: "bb" on Mon,May 23 2005 4:53 pm

wrote:


"who can't argue a subject for squat and does the personal insult
thing
in order to "win an argument." "

Len, this proves he hangs on your every word. Hi!

Not a complement, tsk. Jimmie has "hung" himself enough
already in here. He may have run out of "rope?"

Lately he has desired REOPENING three-year-old postings
to ARGUE those postings all over again. Oh, my. Can't
let the past be past, can he?

Computer-modem communications must be his LIFE now?

wrote:
From: "K4YZ" on Mon,May 23 2005 5:52 am


wrote:

This Memorial Day I'll do what I think on HONORING the veterans
of the United States military.

You will "honor" no one until you've published an unequivocal
apology for your cowardly and snivveling attempts to use the
sacrifices
of others in order to embellish what was an unremarkable tour of
duty
in the Army.

"You do not now have, nor did you ever, nor will you ever
have the authority, expertise, training, experience or
qualifications to give me an order or to imply you are
giving me an order."

BWAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAAAAAHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEE
HAWHAWHAWHAWHAWHAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I expected nothing less.

Your vileness in the face of the looming Memorial Day is even more
emphatic than usual...even for you.

Steve, K4YZ

bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
From: "bb" on Sun,May 22 2005 8:29 am

The Reluctant Marine! Figures. Even reluctant people serve.
So
how
did Jim serve in other way?

Tsk. Stebie was GROUND crew.

Steve was an Avionics Technician. MOS's 6612, 6616 and 6323.
(And
B-Billet 8981...)

Care to figure out from what MOS's (among others...) the USMC
get's it's Enlisted Aircrews, Lennie?

Are those "box-kicking" MOS's?

You're welcome to do the homework and find out.

Espeically the 8981 MOS.

You don't "give" me anything. My service is not up for your
approval.

Nor mine. I went where I was assigned. Anyone can see where
at:

Both of your service's ARE "up for approval"...You put it
there.

You certainly take liberties with "approving" mine.

Nope. You've continually denigrated my service and Len's with REMF
and
box-kicker descriptions.

I never "denigrated" your service, Brain.

I said your Amateur Radio activities from Somalia were not legal.

I've also told you to not lump me into the same pile with you and
Lennie. I give you more credit for having been in a forward area, and
have acknowledged that.

Your mentor's only exposure to any "incomming fire" was required
rifle range time. last I checked RF-burns and paper cuts don't count
for much.

Steve, K4YZ

wrote:
From: "K4YZ" on Mon,May 23 2005 4:38 am

Ya think that MAYBE that's why I said "...the MC version of
the Pave Low..."...?!?!

Brain was in the Air Force. That's why the cross-reference.

1. Helicopters are NOT a radio subject, let alone AMATEUR RADIO.

Sure they are.

If we can be bombarded with reams of old tales on how you dodged
"incomming artillery fire", "served under the threat of the Soviet
Bear", and how "you" passed 1.2 million messages, I can discuss
helos.

2. Military aircraft nomenclature, names are NOT a requirement
in AMATEUR RADIO.

Neither are the names of soldiers you never served with and who
died three years before you were ever in the Army...but you deem it
necessary to being them up anyway.

3. Are there any AMATEURS operating "helicopter mobile?"

There was at least one in the Marines many years ago. I know of
several Flight Medics with Life Flight (Nashville) and Life Force
(Chattanooga) today who are Amateurs and carry HT's on occassion.

The "Pave Low" is the MH-53E through O suffix, operated mostly
by the USAF. More specifially "Pave Low II" to "Pave Low VI."

Amazing how "smart" you are with the click of a mouse, eh...?!?!

All the information on the Internet is at ANYONE's disposal.

Yes, it is...

Too bad you can't retain some of that...

Not my job. Too bad Stebie can't remember to get names correct
on helicopters he has "served."

I did get them correct. Absolutely correct.

YOU tried to make an issue out of my making an anolgy between the
USMC CH53 and the USAF Pave Low.

It didn't work.

The "CH" in the type designation stands for Cargo, Helicopter.

Very good....Still not any "smoking gun", though...

The CH-53A through CH-53D are CARGO HAULERS.

As is the CH53E Super Sea Stallion, on which I was qual'ed.

1. The colloquial term for "qualified" is spelled "qualled"
as it is pronounced.

And many people abbreviate it "qual'ed". You don'...that's fine.
But YOU were never one of those persons "qual'ed" on ANY airframe.

2. The CH-47 and CH-54 are also Cargo Handlers, types that
I've designed test sets for...and gotten them in
production and eventually delivered (RCA EASD).

And never qualified on either of them as a flight mechanic,
aircrewman, gunner or other flgith crew.

Not a one.

And it's cargo HAULERS, not cargo "handlers", Lennie. 'Handlers'
are known as LOADMASTERS...On USMC heavy helicopters the Crew Chief
also doubles in that role.

Some of the MH-53s are into special ops. But, the Sea Stallion
is basically a CARGO HAULER, first operational in 1966.

Actually first operational in 1965.

FORTY YEAR OLD DESIGN.

So...can we assume by your disdain for things over 40 years old
that wwe will not hear anymore meaningless meanderings about
"ADA"...?!?!

The "CARGO HAULER" was used for "special ops" through out it's
career too, Lennie. That's why the USMC had them fitted with
VULCAN's,
-50's, etc.

Tsk...next thing will be Stebie bragging on his "special ops"
experience...maybe with a "HALO Drop" story?

Nope...Never was a SpecOp operator.

The tactical and strategic use of helicopters is NOT anything
close to AMATEUR RADIO POLICY.

True. But you're not qualifed on all three subjects, yet in the
last three days you've tried to preach to me on them.

Silly Rabbit.

At one time or another I've participated in all three.

That's also why the USMC fit's them for vertical envelopment.

NOT applicable to AMATEUR RADIO POLICY.

Got your nose rubbed in your error again, eh Lennie...?!?!

The USMC, The Air Force and the Navy all used them for SpecOp
insertions, Maritime patrol, security-of-the seas missions.

NOT applicable to AMATEUR RADIO POLICY.

Got your nosed rubbed in your own error again, eh, Lennie? Of
course any brief "search" via Google, et al, will produce numerous
reports that substantiate exactly what I said...

The airframe comes off the same production line at Sikorsky at
Stratford, CT.

NOT applicable to AMATEUR RADIO POLICY.

Got your nosed rubbed in your own error again, eh, Lennie? Of
course you want to change subject now...Got caught with your "facts"
exposed again...

The same airframe...Over 80% interchangeable.

NOT applicable to AMATEUR RADIO POLICY.

Quite correct...But still absolutely true.

And the missions of the CH-53 (ALL variants) far exceed "CARGO
HAULING".

NOT applicable to AMATEUR RADIO POLICY.

Of course it is, Lennie.

YOU made an issue out of it! And still absolutely true.

Of course you didn't know that because the scope of your
knowledge
stopped at your wrist.

Not my job to know details of helicopters.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ! ! !

THERE WE GO!

Lennie thought he'd be a smart alec and try to "ding" me on yet
another topic HE was unfamiliar with...

Got zinged!

YESTERDAY he "knew the details"... Now that he got slapped around
for his errors, it's...

........."NOT MY JOB"...!!!!


BBBWWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHA
! ! ! ! ! !

I didn't lie about a single thing, Lennie.

Not in Stebieworld. Stebie NEVER lies in Stebieworld...everyone
else does there...

Not in "Stebieworld" (wherever that's supposed to be), not
here...Not about these topics...

If you want a REAL education, you should read some of the
histories of the USMC's various Sea Stallion units...Most notably
HMH-462, HMH-464, HMH-363 and HMH-361.

I was in all except 464 at one time or another.

NOT applicable to AMATEUR RADIO POLICY.

Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww....OUCH!

Spanked by "The Gunny" again!

Take the time to do some research and you'll find a few of those
"seven hostile actions" you claim I never participated in.

Is Stebie's name featured anywhere on those "research pages?"

So far, none of us readers have found out the WHEN and
WHERE of Stebie's famous "seven hostile actions."

And you won't from me.

"NOT applicable to AMATEUR RADIO POLICY".

Hint: This newsgroup is NOT about the Glory of the USMC
or about helicopters. Try to stay focussed. If you write
names of helicopters, try to get them CORRECT.

Hint: It's "focused". That error's been pointed out to you
frequently but you continue to make it.

And I got them "CORRECT"...Including who flies what and why....

If you are going to LIE, BLUFF, SCAM, try to get your military
nomenclature CORRECT.

I did so. Absolutely correct.

You did NOT do so!

Tsk, tsk. I corrected you and you admitted to the INCORRECT
"cross-reference" (your term for covering up your mistake).

No error...no mistake. The USMC flies the "CH53" (and variants)
and the USAF flies the "Pave Low".

NOBODY can tell mighty Stebie ANYTHING!

Plenty of folks can "tell me lots"...

YOU, on the otherhand, seem to ahve a problem getting a LOT of
things about Amateur Radio and current military aircraft right, Lennie.

The service history and deployment of the CH53-series aircraft is
yet another "field" in which YOUR "experience" is from a mouse click.

Absolutely!

And LIMITED to that "experience".

I, on the otherhand, have FIRST HAND experience and didn't need to
find a URL to get it...

I've spent 53 years working in RADIO-ELECTRONICS, not
helicopters. This forum is NOT about helicopters. This
newsgroup is about RADIO, specifically amateur radio policy.

No...You spent 53 years riding other people's coat tails. And now
you spend your retirement riding the mouse to try and impress people
with what you can find out "now" because you didn't do it "then".

Putz.

Steve, K4YZ

From: K4YZ on May 24, 2:42 am


Your vileness in the face of the looming Memorial Day is even more
emphatic than usual...even for you.


...the sun sets on the Tomb of the Unknown Solder as a solitary
figure in a patch-adorned flight suit slowly paces out his lonely
path
of anger, J-38 in one hand, bayonetted USMC soldering iron in the
other. Pre-recorded marine marches softly fill the air,
interspersed
with dits and dahs of a few PCTA morsebirds not yet extinct. The
Tomb of the Unknown Solder is a lonely place, deep in the valley of
neuroses, anger, and frustration. The single sentinel counts
cadennce to himself, muttering "flux you, flux you" between the slow
steps. His fists are clenched, eager to do bottle but only sipping a
cup of unkindness. It is sad but the sentinel at the Tomb of the
Unknown Solder keeps going. He does not know why and that is the
tragedy. The sun slowly sets on the Tomb of the Unknown Solder
leaving only the red light of fire in the eyes of the muttering
sentinel. Those glow in the dark like LED pilot lights. Hatred
lives on in his twilight of despair.

Temper fry.