On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 21:43:36 +1000, "Jim" jimshire1_no
spammy@iprimusdotcomdotau wrote:

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Opinion. AR appears to be largely irrelevant to Australian society and its
instrumentalities. Apart from some noticeable occasions when amateurs
assisted in emergencies, it always has been just a hobby pursued by a group
of wierd misfits. (myself included We were geeks before the word was
invented. The difference is that today many in the ranks have no idea that
AR was once the hobby of gentlemen, kings and politicians. It was a level
playing field where one respected someone because they had been through the
same hoops, irregardless of social standing, money or power. But that's all
apparently ancient history.

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Unforunately true, but that's the way it is. Perhaps the bright side
is that we should be grateful that the most heavily populated parts of
Australia aren't generally subject to the severe weather etc
conditions that make amateur radio emergency response capability such
an important community resource!


Question. There used to be an advisory committee composed of amateurs who
sat down with the ACA and decided what action if any to take against
amateurs who stepped over the line. I wonder if such mechanisms still exist
? If they don't then perhaps they should.

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Yes it does, it's called the WIA/ACMA Liaison Committee - details on
the WIA www-page. As punishment for past "crimes", yours truly is a
member.

To respond to other related posts, the first step is a "quiet word"
and if this doesn't work, then written record of date, time,
callsigns, etc submitted via the Liaison Committee and/or direct to
ACMA is step two. The ACMA do respond to documented persistent
problems, but without making a "Ben Hur" scale production of it all.

Finally, an observation, seems to me that many established operators
perhaps tend to ignore newcomers as a response to "f*&% off, old-fart"
reactions.

Keith G Malcolm
VK1ZKM
12 March 2006

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On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 21:43:36 +1000, "Jim" jimshire1_no
spammy@iprimusdotcomdotau wrote:

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Opinion. AR appears to be largely irrelevant to Australian society and
its
instrumentalities. Apart from some noticeable occasions when amateurs
assisted in emergencies, it always has been just a hobby pursued by a
group
of wierd misfits. (myself included We were geeks before the word was
invented. The difference is that today many in the ranks have no idea
that
AR was once the hobby of gentlemen, kings and politicians. It was a level
playing field where one respected someone because they had been through
the
same hoops, irregardless of social standing, money or power. But that's
all
apparently ancient history.

... clipped

Unforunately true, but that's the way it is. Perhaps the bright side
is that we should be grateful that the most heavily populated parts of
Australia aren't generally subject to the severe weather etc
conditions that make amateur radio emergency response capability such
an important community resource!


Question. There used to be an advisory committee composed of amateurs who
sat down with the ACA and decided what action if any to take against
amateurs who stepped over the line. I wonder if such mechanisms still
exist
? If they don't then perhaps they should.

... clipped

Yes it does, it's called the WIA/ACMA Liaison Committee - details on
the WIA www-page. As punishment for past "crimes", yours truly is a
member.

To respond to other related posts, the first step is a "quiet word"
and if this doesn't work, then written record of date, time,
callsigns, etc submitted via the Liaison Committee and/or direct to
ACMA is step two. The ACMA do respond to documented persistent
problems, but without making a "Ben Hur" scale production of it all.

Finally, an observation, seems to me that many established operators
perhaps tend to ignore newcomers as a response to "f*&% off, old-fart"
reactions.

Keith G Malcolm
VK1ZKM
12 March 2006

This has been for me a constructive discussion and I hope for others. It
appears that many have similar concerns and more importantly some ideas. I
agree with the common thread that we must first engage with new operators,
although I was not necessarily suggesting the problem lies only with them!
And obviously we need to lead by example.
Having said that I believe that adequate policing procedures need to be put
in place if they are not already in place and if they are in place it needs
to be published.

I suggest that if anyone has a strong view on this issue that they contact
the relevant WIA committee member on the below contact page and see if we
are able to raise the issue to a sufficient level.

http://www.wia.org.au/contact.php

Cheers

Peter vk3ysf

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On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 21:43:36 +1000, "Jim" jimshire1_no
spammy@iprimusdotcomdotau wrote:

Comments indispersed

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Opinion. AR appears to be largely irrelevant to Australian society and its
instrumentalities. Apart from some noticeable occasions when amateurs
assisted in emergencies, it always has been just a hobby pursued by a
group
of wierd misfits. (myself included We were geeks before the word was
invented. The difference is that today many in the ranks have no idea that
AR was once the hobby of gentlemen, kings and politicians. It was a level
playing field where one respected someone because they had been through
the
same hoops, irregardless of social standing, money or power. But that's
all
apparently ancient history.

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Unforunately true, but that's the way it is.

Does that mean that it should just be accepted ? It appears to me that the
cornerstone of amateur radio is the concept of friendship, especially with
newcomers. If that's ancient history then I'm outta here !

Perhaps the bright side
is that we should be grateful that the most heavily populated parts of
Australia aren't generally subject to the severe weather etc
conditions that make amateur radio emergency response capability such
an important community resource!

If the current problems within the amateur ranks are anything but minor, one
wonders about amateurs capabilities to respond to:
A large aircraft dropping into the centre of a capital city
Tsunami hitting the Gold Coast or other large cities
Terrorist activities
etc etc etc

Question. There used to be an advisory committee composed of amateurs who
sat down with the ACA and decided what action if any to take against
amateurs who stepped over the line. I wonder if such mechanisms still
exist
? If they don't then perhaps they should.

... clipped

Yes it does, it's called the WIA/ACMA Liaison Committee - details on
the WIA www-page. As punishment for past "crimes", yours truly is a
member.

To respond to other related posts, the first step is a "quiet word"
and if this doesn't work, then written record of date, time,
callsigns, etc submitted via the Liaison Committee and/or direct to
ACMA is step two. The ACMA do respond to documented persistent
problems, but without making a "Ben Hur" scale production of it all.

Thanks for that, it appears that some things are still working as they
should be )))))))

Finally, an observation, seems to me that many established operators
perhaps tend to ignore newcomers as a response to "f*&% off, old-fart"
reactions.

Many would only be repeating what they've said many times on other
frequencies unfortunately.

I had a whole host of amateurs assist me in so many ways after I got my
license , but that was many years ago and many are now silent keys. I still
have a great deal of respect for them.

When the new generation falls off its perch, I wonder if they'll be referred
to as silent mics ?)


Cheers
Jim
VK4BBG