Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
From: Paul W. Schleck on Fri, Sep 22 2006 4:09 pm

Len, I'm a little confused about some IEEE matters. How do you justify
a number of your posts in light of the IEEE Code of Ethics?

http://www.ieee.org/about/whatis/code.xml

I was puzzled when I read:

The Institute for Electrical and Electronic Engineers is a
PROFESSIONAL Association.

If you have "confusion" about it, feel free to write them at:

IEEE
445 Hoes Lane
Box 1331
Piscataway, NJ 08855-1331
USA

If your haughtiness has a problem with my PROFESSIONAL
membership, take it up with the IEEE directly. You can include
"questions" on NON-work "conduct" all you want.

To carry your threat further, I'll remind you that I have negatively
criticized (at times) the President of the United States, the
Vice-President (at his undisclosed location), the Secretary of
State, the FCC, the Department of Defense, FEMA, IRS, NTIA,
FBI and all branches of the US military. In addition, I have, at
times, criticized the California state government and individual
elected and non-elected officials there, the cities and city
governments within California, Illinois, New York, Texas.

Now, if you wish to have me "investigated" for some reason,
feel free to place a single telephone call to "authorities" to
have me "picked up." Your buddie, the USMC Imposter has
threatened that in the past. You HAVE the connections,
don't you? You WERE on the famous "key lists" weren't
you? You ARE very important because you are an amateur
extra morseman, the elite of the amateur radio service...

Until then I will remain an independent citizen of the USA, a
veteran of US military service, a commercial radio operator
licensee and will freely engage in the FREEDOMS guaranteed
by the Constitution of the United States, one of those being
FREEDOM of EXPRESSION.

If you don't like that sort of attitude, go back to the Waffen SS
or invoke the famous phrase of the ByteBrothers.

[goodnight, Jimmy Pearson, wherever you are...]

wrote:
From: on Sat, Sep 23 2006 7:06 pm

Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
From: Paul W. Schleck on Fri, Sep 22 2006 4:09 pm
writes:
From: Paul W. Schleck on Thurs, Sep 21 2006 12:21 pm
writes:


Why did you - repeat you - bring up the late Lloyd
Bentsen at all? Did Lloyd Bentsen have an amateur
radio license? :-)
Heck, Leonard, it should put you at ease. You don't have one either.
Good grief! Did you have to query QRZ on that one, too?

Robesin did.

They are birds of a feather, Brian. The only difference
between them is better literacy in Heil's postings. But,
the same hatred of losing anything and bluffmanship
is evident in both.

I lose no privileges whether morse code testing disappears or not.
Do you have anything else to share with the group?

Heil is fixated on his one-cannot-possibly-talk-about-
getting-into-amateur-radio until one is already in
amateur radio. [the "chicken and the egg" arrived
at the same time logic...]

You've talked. You've commented to the FCC. You've commented, ranted,
railed and have generally acted like a small child here. What next?

Now the FCC does NOT require any commissioner or staffer
to hold an amateur radio license grant in order to
REGULATE US amateur radio.

No one at any state's DMV needs hold a drivers license. You don't work
at the DMV or the FCC.

Heil's concept of who rules
is faulty.

You don't regulate. You aren't a radio amateur. You have no stake in
amateur radio.

Heil often expresses disdain and contempt for anyone on
the "outside" of amateur radio attempting to "tell radio
amateurs what to do." That is also illogical and faulty
but grounded in extreme emotional territorialism. He
does NOT rule yet pretends to be the ruler in behavior to
others.

I'm fully aware that I don't "rule" amateur radio. I'm fully aware that
the FCC does "rule" amateur radio. I'm fully aware that you aren't the
FCC or a radio amateur.

The FCC tells Heil "what to do" and Heil has no choice
but to obey...or lose his precious amateur extra class
license.

When it comes to amateur radio, you are not bound by FCC regulations
unless you decide to take to the air illegally.

I'm quite happy to observe the regulations governing amateur radio in
this country. I've received not as much as a single warning letter from
the FCC in nearly 43 years.

In any discussion with others about a singular
test to ENTER amateur radio,

You aren't entering amateur radio.

Heil does not play well...

I've encountered no sane person posting here who plays less well with
others than Leonard H. Anderson.

...and
assumes He can tell others what to do...and does not
hesitate to do so with his typical smug arrogance.

Tell you what to do, Len? I've not ordered you to obtain an amateur
radio license or not to obtain an amateur radio license. I've not told
you to comment to the FCC or not to comment to the FCC. If you don't
like my "smug arrogance", change your own tactics.

That is NOT a good picture to present to the public about
US amateur radio. But, I doubt that Heil cares.

Len, why don't you address the IEEE Code of Ethics?

Heil
has His and the rest can go do something else. :-(

Anyone who chooses to obtain an amateur radio license may do so without
any interference from me. You've been braying in this newsgroup for
better than a decade. You have not made an attempt to obtain an amateur
radio license. I had nothing to do with your failure to do so. You're
a victim of inertia.

From: Dave Heil on Sun, Sep 24 2006 2:59 pm

wrote:
From: on Sat, Sep 23 2006 7:06 pm
Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
From: Paul W. Schleck on Fri, Sep 22 2006 4:09 pm
writes:
From: Paul W. Schleck on Thurs, Sep 21 2006 12:21 pm
writes:


I lose no privileges whether morse code testing disappears or not.

Then WHY are you so angry and antagonistic to those of
us who want to eliminate the code test? No harm will come
to you if the test is eliminated.


Heil is fixated on his one-cannot-possibly-talk-about-
getting-into-amateur-radio until one is already in
amateur radio. [the "chicken and the egg" arrived
at the same time logic...]

You've talked. You've commented to the FCC.

Ah, but Heil has NOT answered his illogical stance on
WHO may comment or otherwise talk about amateur radio
regulations.

You've commented, ranted,
railed and have generally acted like a small child here.

Now, now, you are beginning to act angry and petulant
again. :-)


No one at any state's DMV needs hold a drivers license.

WRONG. Driving inspectors MUST hold valid drivers
licenses in Illinois and California.

You don't work at the DMV or the FCC.

Clear something up for us: Do you REQUIRE that anyone
work at a Department of Motor Vehicles in order to talk
and discuss US amateur radio regulations?!?

A most irrational statement you made.

Here's a plain and simple fact: The FCC does NOT require
any commissioner or staffer to be granted amateur radio
licenses in order to regulated US civil radio. Really.


You don't regulate.

Regulate WHAT? There are many many things that I
regularly regulate. :-) US civil radio regulations
are NOT something I regulate.

You aren't a radio amateur.

True, but what DOES that have to do with talking about
US amateur radio regulations?

You have no stake in amateur radio.

Now, now, Count Dracula, don't get worried. :-)

Tsk, you are still angry and petulant. NOT a good
attitude.

YOU are an amateur extra but YOU do NOT regulate US
amateur radio. The FCC does that, grants amateur
radio licenses, shuts down amateur radio stations for
rules violations, can even establish federal fines for
such violations.


I'm fully aware that I don't "rule" amateur radio.

You don't rule there. You don't regulate amateur radio.

I'm fully aware that the FCC does "rule" amateur radio.

Are you SURE about that? You vacillate back and forth
so much...

I'm fully aware that you aren't the FCC or a radio amateur.

Remarkable 'awareness!' Do you think that will get you
a cookie? :-)


The FCC tells Heil "what to do" and Heil has no choice
but to obey...or lose his precious amateur extra class
license.

When it comes to amateur radio, you are not bound by FCC regulations
unless you decide to take to the air illegally.

Tsk, angry, petulant, and now ACCUSATORY of something you
state "I am going to do!"

You ARE wrong about FCC regulations. I am very much bound
by FCC regulations, both by radio but also for certain
wireline communications. You really need the entire Title
47 C.F.R. to confirm that (for your own edification).


I'm quite happy to observe the regulations governing amateur radio in
this country. I've received not as much as a single warning letter from
the FCC in nearly 43 years.

Marvelous! Should we chip in get you a nice little gold
star for your report card?

I don't recall that anyone was accusing you of anything
other than a bad temper, irrational behavior, or trying
to imitate some Waffen SS offizier in here. FCC doesn't
regulate behavior.


You aren't entering amateur radio.

I'm "not"?!?" What do you KNOW what I'm doing? Are you
Claire Voyant in some ham radio column or something?


I've encountered no sane person posting here who plays less well with
others than Leonard H. Anderson.

Now, now, you are adding a mean streak to your bad temper,
petulance, and irrationality. Try playing "nice." :-)


I've not ordered you to obtain an amateur
radio license or not to obtain an amateur radio license.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. You certainly gone on and on and on and
on about my "not having one!" Why is that?

I've not told
you to comment to the FCC or not to comment to the FCC.

You've certainly gone on and on and on and on and
on about attempting ridicule of what I've written
to the FCC. :-)

If you don't like my "smug arrogance", change your own tactics.

Now, now, you ARE telling me what to do! Hypocrite.


Len, why don't you address the IEEE Code of Ethics?

Oh, but I DID! Here is the address again:

IEEE
445 Hoes Lane
Box 1331
Piscatawny, NJ 08855-1331
USA

I apologize for not giving the web address: www.ieee.org

You are free to talk all you want with the IEEE Ethics
Committee.

You might even consider membership in the IEEE, but you
will have to get three IEEE members to vouch for you.
You probably won't live long enough to qualify for a
Life Member status (it is a free upgrade and doesn't
require dues payments after that).


Anyone who chooses to obtain an amateur radio license may do so without
any interference from me.

How wonderfully magnanimous of Heil! :-)

You've been braying in this newsgroup for better than a decade.

"Braying?" Neighhhh, Wilbur. :-)

You have not made an attempt to obtain an amateur radio license.

Now, now, there you go again with your bad temper and
terrible insistence that ONLY amateur licensees can
talk about amateur radio!

I had nothing to do with your failure to do so.

"Failure?!?" Tsk, tsk, never tried.

I've had a Commercial radio operator license since 1956.
Why do you insist I have an AMATEUR license?

Tsk, Heil is exhibiting irrationality again.

You're a victim of inertia.

Must be that why my anti-gravity project failed; Something
was holding me down! Should I channel Isaac N. for a cure?

Well, maybe you're right. I've had an abiding interest,
indeed a GREAT interest in women since the beginning of
my teens...but, never ONCE had I any interest in BECOMING
one! How about that?

Beep, beep,


Life Member

IEEE is a Professional Association with 397 thousand members
worldwide.

In .com " writes:


Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
From: Paul W. Schleck on Fri, Sep 22 2006 4:09 pm

Len, I'm a little confused about some IEEE matters. How do you justify
a number of your posts in light of the IEEE Code of Ethics?

http://www.ieee.org/about/whatis/code.xml

I was puzzled when I read:

The Institute for Electrical and Electronic Engineers is a
PROFESSIONAL Association.

If you have "confusion" about it, feel free to write them at:

IEEE
445 Hoes Lane
Box 1331
Piscataway, NJ 08855-1331
USA

If your haughtiness has a problem with my PROFESSIONAL
membership, take it up with the IEEE directly. You can include
"questions" on NON-work "conduct" all you want.

So, Len, your personal morality makes a distinction between how you
treat people in professional vs. personal life. In your personal,
non-professional life, you feel that it is acceptable and defensible:

7. to avoid, refuse, and withhold honest criticism of technical work, to
deny and ignore errors, and to credit improperly the contributions of
others;

8. to treat unfairly all persons particularly of such factors as race,
religion, gender, disability, age, or national origin;

9. to seek injuring others, their property, reputation, or employment
by false or malicious action;

--
Paul W. Schleck, K3FU

http://www.novia.net/~pschleck/
Finger for PGP Public Key

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Sun, Sep 24 2006 2:59 pm

wrote:
From: on Sat, Sep 23 2006 7:06 pm
Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
From: Paul W. Schleck on Fri, Sep 22 2006 4:09 pm
writes:
From: Paul W. Schleck on Thurs, Sep 21 2006 12:21 pm
writes:


I lose no privileges whether morse code testing disappears or not.

Then WHY are you so angry and antagonistic to those of
us who want to eliminate the code test?

You keep making the same mistake, over and over. I'm not angry. I'm
ridiculing you, Len Anderson.

No harm will come
to you if the test is eliminated.

Any change made to regulations dealing with amateur radio effect me and
all others current licensees.


Heil is fixated on his one-cannot-possibly-talk-about-
getting-into-amateur-radio until one is already in
amateur radio. [the "chicken and the egg" arrived
at the same time logic...]
You've talked. You've commented to the FCC.

Ah, but Heil has NOT answered his illogical stance on
WHO may comment or otherwise talk about amateur radio
regulations.

My stance isn't illogical at all. It can't begin to compare to a fellow
who spends ten years of his life obsessed with something in which he has
no involvement. You're amateur radio fetish is beyond compare.

You've commented, ranted,
railed and have generally acted like a small child here.

Now, now, you are beginning to act angry and petulant
again. :-)

I'm not at all angry. I'm pointing out a fact.


No one at any state's DMV needs hold a drivers license.

WRONG. Driving inspectors MUST hold valid drivers
licenses in Illinois and California.

Great. I'll grant that those administering actual driving tests are
quite likely to need a driving license. Those who work inside, the
clerks who transfer titles, issue licenses and such, don't need such a
license.

You don't work at the DMV or the FCC.

Clear something up for us: Do you REQUIRE that anyone
work at a Department of Motor Vehicles in order to talk
and discuss US amateur radio regulations?!?

Clear something up for "us": Do you have anything at all to do with any
state DMV or the Federal Communications Commission?

A most irrational statement you made.

Here's a plain and simple fact: The FCC does NOT require
any commissioner or staffer to be granted amateur radio
licenses in order to regulated US civil radio. Really.

And? If any of those FCC employees or commissioners want to take part
in amateur radio, they need to obtain a license in the same manner as
anyone else who becomes licenses. Really.


You don't regulate.

Regulate WHAT? There are many many things that I
regularly regulate. :-)

Oh, yes. When a man gets to a certain age, he is likely to need more
fiber in his diet. :-)

US civil radio regulations
are NOT something I regulate.

I thought I said that.

You aren't a radio amateur.

True, but what DOES that have to do with talking about
US amateur radio regulations?

Nobody has stopped you from talking. What you want is a quiet audience.
You aren't entitled to that.

You have no stake in amateur radio.

Now, now, Count Dracula, don't get worried. :-)

I'm not at all worried, Len.

Tsk, you are still angry and petulant. NOT a good
attitude.

You make the same mistake over and over and over.

YOU are an amateur extra but YOU do NOT regulate US
amateur radio.

I recall saying that.

The FCC does that, grants amateur
radio licenses, shuts down amateur radio stations for
rules violations, can even establish federal fines for
such violations.


That's right. You have the hang of it. I've not been shut down nor
fined. You, on the other hand, aren't involved in amateur radio.

I'm fully aware that I don't "rule" amateur radio.

You don't rule there. You don't regulate amateur radio.

I used the term which was stated by Leonard H. Anderson.

I'm fully aware that the FCC does "rule" amateur radio.

Are you SURE about that? You vacillate back and forth
so much...

I haven't stated that I'm going to obtain an Extra right out of the box,
then that I have no intention of obtaining an amateur radio license and
then that I am getting into amateur radio and then that I have no desire
to obtain an amateur radio license. Now *that* is vacillation!

I'm fully aware that you aren't the FCC or a radio amateur.

Remarkable 'awareness!' Do you think that will get you
a cookie? :-)

It already did.


The FCC tells Heil "what to do" and Heil has no choice
but to obey...or lose his precious amateur extra class
license.

When it comes to amateur radio, you are not bound by FCC regulations
unless you decide to take to the air illegally.

Tsk, angry, petulant, and now ACCUSATORY of something you
state "I am going to do!"

Are you familiar with the term "unless"?

You ARE wrong about FCC regulations. I am very much bound
by FCC regulations, both by radio but also for certain
wireline communications. You really need the entire Title
47 C.F.R. to confirm that (for your own edification).

The point is, Leonard, that you aren't going to run afoul of Part 97
regs unless you're a radio amateur. You aren't a radio amateur.


I'm quite happy to observe the regulations governing amateur radio in
this country. I've received not as much as a single warning letter from
the FCC in nearly 43 years.

Marvelous! Should we chip in get you a nice little gold
star for your report card?

Who is "we"? Do you have a Vibroplex in your pocket? I don't feel the
need for any special recognition from you. After all, you aren't involved.

I don't recall that anyone was accusing you of anything
other than a bad temper, irrational behavior, or trying
to imitate some Waffen SS offizier in here. FCC doesn't
regulate behavior.

If it did, you wouldn't be here. If you have nothing to say, you resort
to the Nazi stuff. That makes you look foolish.


You aren't entering amateur radio.

I'm "not"?!?" What do you KNOW what I'm doing? Are you
Claire Voyant in some ham radio column or something?

I can only go by your last definitive statement on the subject. There
have been reversals in the past though. What's your stand this week?


I've encountered no sane person posting here who plays less well with
others than Leonard H. Anderson.

Now, now, you are adding a mean streak to your bad temper,
petulance, and irrationality. Try playing "nice." :-)

I provided an exceptionally frank opinion based upon years of
observation. There wasn't a hint of temper, petulance or irrationality,
Leonard.


I've not ordered you to obtain an amateur
radio license or not to obtain an amateur radio license.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. You certainly gone on and on and on and
on about my "not having one!" Why is that?

It is because you'd have radio amateurs believe that an inexperienced
fellow who has never obtained an amateur radio license knows what is
best for amateur radio. Tsk, tsk, poor baby, toad-in-a-hole and Bob's
your uncle.

I've not told
you to comment to the FCC or not to comment to the FCC.

You've certainly gone on and on and on and on and
on about attempting ridicule of what I've written
to the FCC. :-)

I surely have. Then again I've never tried to disparage your views by
ridiculing you *to* the FCC in official comments. You have done that to
others.

If you don't like my "smug arrogance", change your own tactics.

Now, now, you ARE telling me what to do! Hypocrite.

Can you understand the words, "if you don't like"? I've let you know
how to play nicely with others.


Len, why don't you address the IEEE Code of Ethics?

Oh, but I DID! Here is the address again:

No, you didn't. Aren't you bound by that code of ethics?

IEEE
445 Hoes Lane
Box 1331
Piscatawny, NJ 08855-1331
USA

I apologize for not giving the web address: www.ieee.org

You are free to talk all you want with the IEEE Ethics
Committee.

You're an IEEE member. I asked you. After all, I haven't seen the IEEE
violating its code of ethics.

You might even consider membership in the IEEE, but you
will have to get three IEEE members to vouch for you.
You probably won't live long enough to qualify for a
Life Member status (it is a free upgrade and doesn't
require dues payments after that).

I haven't expressed any desire to join the IEEE. I'm not an engineer.
Would you like to join the ARRL? You can write them at:

The American Radio Relay League
225 Main Street
Newington, CT 06111

Alternatively, you can find them at http://www.arrl.org


Anyone who chooses to obtain an amateur radio license may do so without
any interference from me.

How wonderfully magnanimous of Heil! :-)

I'm not being magnanimous, Len. I'm stating a fact.

You've been braying in this newsgroup for better than a decade.

"Braying?" Neighhhh, Wilbur. :-)

When you aren't braying, you are often to found acting like a horse.
Usually you act like the other end.

You have not made an attempt to obtain an amateur radio license.

Now, now, there you go again with your bad temper and
terrible insistence that ONLY amateur licensees can
talk about amateur radio!

No temper was exhibited. I made a statement of fact. You've talked
about amateur radio. That doesn't make you a radio amateur.

I had nothing to do with your failure to do so.

"Failure?!?" Tsk, tsk, never tried.

You've expressed a decades-long interest in amateur radio. You told us
that you were going to get an "Extra right out of the box". You have
posted to this newsgroup for better than ten years. You have failed to
obtain an amateur radio license. It doesn't matter if you tried once or
several times and failed or if you failed by never trying.

I've had a Commercial radio operator license since 1956.

You're in the wrong newsgroup. This one concerns amateur radio and Mark
Morgan's fetishes.

Why do you insist I have an AMATEUR license?

I've never insisted that you have to have one. In fact, I rather hope
that you never get one.

Tsk, Heil is exhibiting irrationality again.

If I'd insisted that you obtain an amateur radio license, that might be.
I didn't do so. Your statement is absurd.

You're a victim of inertia.

Must be that why my anti-gravity project failed; Something
was holding me down! Should I channel Isaac N. for a cure?

You keep using the same purloined Stephen Wright joke as if it'll get
funnier through repetition.

Well, maybe you're right. I've had an abiding interest,
indeed a GREAT interest in women since the beginning of
my teens...but, never ONCE had I any interest in BECOMING
one! How about that?

And so it is in your relationship to amateur radio.

Beep, beep,
Tisket, tasket



Life Member


Life Member

IEEE is a Professional Association with 397 thousand members
worldwide.

You'd think that being a PROFESSIONAL organization which grants FREE
life membership under certain conditions, it could do better than that.

Hey Schleck a.k.a. Censor-Boy, tell us about your
thin skin & ego, before you criticize other people
Censor-Boy! LOL

73,

Karak

From: Paul W. Schleck on Mon, Sep 25 2006 7:28 am

writes:
Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
From: Paul W. Schleck on Fri, Sep 22 2006 4:09 pm


The Institute for Electrical and Electronic Engineers is a
PROFESSIONAL Association.

If you have "confusion" about it, feel free to write them at:

IEEE
445 Hoes Lane
Box 1331
Piscataway, NJ 08855-1331
USA

If your haughtiness has a problem with my PROFESSIONAL
membership, take it up with the IEEE directly. You can include
"questions" on NON-work "conduct" all you want.

So, Len, your personal morality makes a distinction between how you
treat people in professional vs. personal life.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Personal morality..."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tsk, the Torquemadas are in a conclave now? :-) :-)

Too funny, really...but tragic in the obvious state of
mind of a future newsgroup moderator...and a possible
course of action of future newsgroup "moderation."

Here's a plain and simple fact: Heil, unable to control
hisself, searched and searched for a weapon of anti-morse
destruction and seized the IEEE Code of Conduct...saying
he "addressed it." Not fully, so I merely listed the
IEEE mailing address for his convenience.

David Heil is perfectly free to communicate with the IEEE
and bring his CHARGES OF MISCONDUCT against me to the
attention of the Membership Committee of the IEEE, the
Ethics Committee, whatever IEEE official, other IEEE
members he wants to vent to. So are you. Go ahead.

As I've said, as the IEEE says, it is a Professional
Association. It has no direct bearing on AMATEUR RADIO
other than some of its thousands of members no doubt
do professional work on designing, manufacturing, and
selling of amateur radio equipment. The IEEE makes
available a forwarding alias for e-mail to members and
I use that free service, hence the "signature" I use.
Some have great difficulty with that "signature,"
demanding I either drop it or get an amateur radio
license and use that (as "official?"). Now that
"signature" (or "ID" or just an e-mail address) has
become a Cause Celebre' of yourself and someone who
has an obsession of villifying his newsgroup enemies?

Here's another plain and simple fact: There are dozens
of daily postings by anonymous individuals in THIS
newsgroup spewing hateful filth about others. A simple
search of Google archives will turn up "responsible"
(Ha!) "names" such as "Not Cocksucker Lloyd" and "Billy
****tydrawers" yet THEY are NOT made a target of this
Inquisition into the "Morality" of their postings.
Why IS that? They do not have any identifiable
connection with amateur radio, but you seem to avoid
them in favor of direct (snide) "attacks" on certain
others such as myself. That is hypocrisy in action,
demonstratable in things like the insinuation below:

In your personal,
non-professional life, you feel that it is acceptable
and defensible:

What I do in my "personal, non-professional life" is
none of your concern. Neither you nor David Heil
can control that, modify it, or make judgements on
it leading to cessation of my rights to free speech
as a citizen of the USA and as a military veteran of
the USA. Yet, you actively seek to CONTROL it. Why?
Because you are PERSONALLY upset by my words? You
feel you are such a supreme ruler that you can
CONTROL opposing opinions or wish to delete all
postings which are not to some arbitrary standard of
protocol demanding obediance to some self-righteous
opinions held by a ruling clique?

If you wish to delve into my "personal, non-professional"
life, get together an Investigative Team. You can use
those that Hewlett-Packard did (their business may have
slowed since HP is under investigation and no doubt have
some free time). Feel free to start with my Pastor,
Ralph Midtlyng, at All-Saints Community Church three
blocks away from my house. It is principally a Lutheran
church but does not bar others about their "personal,
non-professional life." [recall that Martin Luther was
no shrinking violet on matters theological?]

Interrogate my immediate neighbors about my "personal,
non-professional life." The Topalians are right across
the street, Hurleys and Brunos on either side, the
Gonzalez family up on the corner. Consult old issues
of Ham Radio for my address; it hasn't changed since
May of '63. Try my city councilmember's office (Wendy
Gruel, real name). Or possibly the Los Angeles Police
Department, Foothill Division. Maybe you can extract
juicy little tidbits of "scandal" to use in here to
actively engage in vituperative attacks who don't fit
your mold? Since you won't find any, feel free to
MANUFACTURE some. Others do it, therefore it is okay?

Yes, I suppose there is some great (grate?) significance
about "personal, non-professional life" that the outraged
wish to use as weapons of anti-morse destruction (see
Heil's vituperation in here) against me. Try my Sex
Life (heterosexual). My wife is also my high school
sweetheart. I would suggest you NOT consult my wife on
"personal, non-professional life" for your own emotional
safety. Her name? Hundreds of our school classmates
know it. Sorry, you'll have to find that out yourself
but your Investigative Team will know the correct
government agency to find that out...and many more items
of "personal, non-professional life" data.

I've tried to help you out here on "personal, non-
professional life" items as a courtesy to your apparent
Inquisition of a single individual. You really can't
ask more than that, can you? :-)

Why do you feel that AMATEUR radio activity is to
be taken the SAME as Professional Activity? Why do
you side with the allegations of "misconduct" in
"personal, non-professional life" by someone who is
a known personal attacker of those he does not like.
Do you wish to add more spotlights to some imagined
"dispute" between a Professional Code of ETHICS, not
"morality?" Make this into a "federal case?" Why?
Personality conflict? My failure to "pop to" and pay
some kind of "respect" you feel "owed" to you? I am
NOT OBLIGATED to do that, except in a few individual's
fantasies or imaginations.

I am NOT OBLIGATED to "pay respect" to some olde-tyme
radio amateur just because they have some federal
license in amateur radio. I was IN radio communications
on HF full-time before some of these self-styled "rulers"
of the amateur waves were born, using techniques that
persist in amateur radio HF communications today. With
the exception of manual radiotelegraphy which wasn't used
a half century ago but persists in the mythical "standards"
of US amateur radio today.

I am NOT OBLIGATED to ANYONE who insists on calling every
statement I make "wrong" or others with some smug,
arrogant attitudes that they are "superior." My opinions
are my opinions, those of a free and independent US
citizen who has taken an Oath to preserve the Constitution
of the United States.

I am NOT OBLIGATED to ANYONE who cannot personally stand
opposition to self-righteous opinions of theirs. I am
NOT OBLIGATED to "stand on an outside" on any subject that
some alleged "insiders" say I do.

I am NOT OBLIGATED to any would-be moderator who wants to
both moderate and to engage in one-sided behavior in the
newsgroup.

ByteBrothers famous phrase invoked.

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Sun, Sep 24 2006 2:59 pm
wrote:
From: on Sat, Sep 23 2006 7:06 pm
Dave Heil wrote

I lose no privileges whether morse code testing disappears or not.

Then WHY are you so angry and antagonistic to those of
us who want to eliminate the code test?

Dave's not angry. Neither am I.

You sure seem to be angry, Len.

As for "antagaonistic", we're just opposing what we think is a bad
idea. You seem to have a very difficult time with disagreement - your
behavior rapidly deteriorates when someone here disagrees with you.

No harm will come to you if the test is eliminated.

Can you guarantee that, Len? I think not.

The subject of this thread is "Gerritsen Sentenced". Gerritsen is a
former radio amateur who caused harm to many amateurs and others in his
area - jamming their transmissions, tying up repeaters, deliberately
interfering, etc. It took years to get him convicted and sentenced.

Worst of all, he did a lot of damage to the public image of amateur
radio.

Obviously letting someone like Gerritsen get a license in the first
place was a mistake. The testing process did not insure that he would
follow the rules. He obviously did not care about proper behavior on
the air.

One concern many of us have about continued reductions in the license
test requirements - both code and written - is that more folks like
Gerritsen will get licenses and behave as he did.

If changes in the license requirements let in more like him, those of
us who are currently licensed *will* be harmed. Those like you who are
not involved in amateur radio will not be affected.

btw, Len, Gerritsen lived over in Bell, CA, about a half-hour from your
house. He's pretty close to your age, too.

It's interesting that you proposed an age requirement that would ban
anyone under the age of 14 from getting an amateur radio license,
without any examples of problems caused by the licensing of young
people.

Yet the worst amateur radio offender in recent history is pretty close
to *your* age.

You aren't a radio amateur.

True, but what DOES that have to do with talking about
US amateur radio regulations?

You can "talk" all you want, Len. Nobody is saying you shouldn't.

The problem is that you do not deal with disagreement well. You don't
want to discuss, you want to lecture and not have your lectures
examined, criticized, or refuted.

FCC doesn't regulate behavior.

Actually, they do.

You aren't entering amateur radio.

I'm "not"?!?" What do you KNOW what I'm doing? Are you
Claire Voyant in some ham radio column or something?

Back on January 19, 2000, you wrote here that you were "going for Extra
right out of the box". Hasn't happened - in fact, you have not obtained
an amateur radio license of any kind. Almost 8 years and you haven't
taken the first step.

The Technician class license has not required a code test since
February 14, 1991. Almost 16 years and you haven't taken the first
step.

It's a pretty good bet that you're not going to get an amateur radio
license, Len.

I've encountered no sane person posting here who plays less well with
others than Leonard H. Anderson.

Why should anyone presume Len is "sane"?

You have not made an attempt to obtain an amateur radio license.

Now, now, there you go again with your bad temper and
terrible insistence that ONLY amateur licensees can
talk about amateur radio!

You are mistaken, Len. No one is insisting that only licensees can talk
about it.

" wrote in
ps.com:

From: Paul W. Schleck on Mon, Sep 25 2006 7:28 am

writes:
Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
From: Paul W. Schleck on Fri, Sep 22 2006 4:09 pm


The Institute for Electrical and Electronic Engineers is a
PROFESSIONAL Association.

If you have "confusion" about it, feel free to write them at:

IEEE
445 Hoes Lane
Box 1331
Piscataway, NJ 08855-1331
USA

If your haughtiness has a problem with my PROFESSIONAL
membership, take it up with the IEEE directly. You can include
"questions" on NON-work "conduct" all you want.

So, Len, your personal morality makes a distinction between how you
treat people in professional vs. personal life.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Personal morality..."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tsk, the Torquemadas are in a conclave now? :-) :-)

Too funny, really...but tragic in the obvious state of
mind of a future newsgroup moderator...and a possible
course of action of future newsgroup "moderation."

Here's a plain and simple fact: Heil, unable to control
hisself, searched and searched for a weapon of anti-morse
destruction and seized the IEEE Code of Conduct...saying
he "addressed it." Not fully, so I merely listed the
IEEE mailing address for his convenience.

David Heil is perfectly free to communicate with the IEEE
and bring his CHARGES OF MISCONDUCT against me to the
attention of the Membership Committee of the IEEE, the
Ethics Committee, whatever IEEE official, other IEEE
members he wants to vent to. So are you. Go ahead.

As I've said, as the IEEE says, it is a Professional
Association. It has no direct bearing on AMATEUR RADIO
other than some of its thousands of members no doubt
do professional work on designing, manufacturing, and
selling of amateur radio equipment. The IEEE makes
available a forwarding alias for e-mail to members and
I use that free service, hence the "signature" I use.
Some have great difficulty with that "signature,"
demanding I either drop it or get an amateur radio
license and use that (as "official?"). Now that
"signature" (or "ID" or just an e-mail address) has
become a Cause Celebre' of yourself and someone who
has an obsession of villifying his newsgroup enemies?

Here's another plain and simple fact: There are dozens
of daily postings by anonymous individuals in THIS
newsgroup spewing hateful filth about others. A simple
search of Google archives will turn up "responsible"
(Ha!) "names" such as "Not Cocksucker Lloyd" and "Billy
****tydrawers" yet THEY are NOT made a target of this
Inquisition into the "Morality" of their postings.
Why IS that? They do not have any identifiable
connection with amateur radio, but you seem to avoid
them in favor of direct (snide) "attacks" on certain
others such as myself. That is hypocrisy in action,
demonstratable in things like the insinuation below:

In your personal,
non-professional life, you feel that it is acceptable
and defensible:

What I do in my "personal, non-professional life" is
none of your concern. Neither you nor David Heil
can control that, modify it, or make judgements on
it leading to cessation of my rights to free speech
as a citizen of the USA and as a military veteran of
the USA. Yet, you actively seek to CONTROL it. Why?
Because you are PERSONALLY upset by my words? You
feel you are such a supreme ruler that you can
CONTROL opposing opinions or wish to delete all
postings which are not to some arbitrary standard of
protocol demanding obediance to some self-righteous
opinions held by a ruling clique?

If you wish to delve into my "personal, non-professional"
life, get together an Investigative Team. You can use
those that Hewlett-Packard did (their business may have
slowed since HP is under investigation and no doubt have
some free time). Feel free to start with my Pastor,
Ralph Midtlyng, at All-Saints Community Church three
blocks away from my house. It is principally a Lutheran
church but does not bar others about their "personal,
non-professional life." [recall that Martin Luther was
no shrinking violet on matters theological?]

Interrogate my immediate neighbors about my "personal,
non-professional life." The Topalians are right across
the street, Hurleys and Brunos on either side, the
Gonzalez family up on the corner. Consult old issues
of Ham Radio for my address; it hasn't changed since
May of '63. Try my city councilmember's office (Wendy
Gruel, real name). Or possibly the Los Angeles Police
Department, Foothill Division. Maybe you can extract
juicy little tidbits of "scandal" to use in here to
actively engage in vituperative attacks who don't fit
your mold? Since you won't find any, feel free to
MANUFACTURE some. Others do it, therefore it is okay?

Yes, I suppose there is some great (grate?) significance
about "personal, non-professional life" that the outraged
wish to use as weapons of anti-morse destruction (see
Heil's vituperation in here) against me. Try my Sex
Life (heterosexual). My wife is also my high school
sweetheart. I would suggest you NOT consult my wife on
"personal, non-professional life" for your own emotional
safety. Her name? Hundreds of our school classmates
know it. Sorry, you'll have to find that out yourself
but your Investigative Team will know the correct
government agency to find that out...and many more items
of "personal, non-professional life" data.

I've tried to help you out here on "personal, non-
professional life" items as a courtesy to your apparent
Inquisition of a single individual. You really can't
ask more than that, can you? :-)

Why do you feel that AMATEUR radio activity is to
be taken the SAME as Professional Activity? Why do
you side with the allegations of "misconduct" in
"personal, non-professional life" by someone who is
a known personal attacker of those he does not like.
Do you wish to add more spotlights to some imagined
"dispute" between a Professional Code of ETHICS, not
"morality?" Make this into a "federal case?" Why?
Personality conflict? My failure to "pop to" and pay
some kind of "respect" you feel "owed" to you? I am
NOT OBLIGATED to do that, except in a few individual's
fantasies or imaginations.

I am NOT OBLIGATED to "pay respect" to some olde-tyme
radio amateur just because they have some federal
license in amateur radio. I was IN radio communications
on HF full-time before some of these self-styled "rulers"
of the amateur waves were born, using techniques that
persist in amateur radio HF communications today. With
the exception of manual radiotelegraphy which wasn't used
a half century ago but persists in the mythical "standards"
of US amateur radio today.

I am NOT OBLIGATED to ANYONE who insists on calling every
statement I make "wrong" or others with some smug,
arrogant attitudes that they are "superior." My opinions
are my opinions, those of a free and independent US
citizen who has taken an Oath to preserve the Constitution
of the United States.

I am NOT OBLIGATED to ANYONE who cannot personally stand
opposition to self-righteous opinions of theirs. I am
NOT OBLIGATED to "stand on an outside" on any subject that
some alleged "insiders" say I do.

I am NOT OBLIGATED to any would-be moderator who wants to
both moderate and to engage in one-sided behavior in the
newsgroup.

ByteBrothers famous phrase invoked.






If bull**** were music, you'd be brass bands of America.

SC

wrote:
From: Paul W. Schleck on Mon, Sep 25 2006 7:28 am

writes:
Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
From: Paul W. Schleck on Fri, Sep 22 2006 4:09 pm


The Institute for Electrical and Electronic Engineers is a
PROFESSIONAL Association.
If you have "confusion" about it, feel free to write them at:
IEEE
445 Hoes Lane
Box 1331
Piscataway, NJ 08855-1331
USA
If your haughtiness has a problem with my PROFESSIONAL
membership, take it up with the IEEE directly. You can include
"questions" on NON-work "conduct" all you want.
So, Len, your personal morality makes a distinction between how you
treat people in professional vs. personal life.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Personal morality..."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I thought it was kind of funny too--the idea that you'd demonstrate some
personal morality.

Tsk, the Torquemadas are in a conclave now? :-) :-)

Too funny, really...but tragic in the obvious state of
mind of a future newsgroup moderator...and a possible
course of action of future newsgroup "moderation."

Here's a plain and simple fact: Heil, unable to control
hisself, searched and searched for a weapon of anti-morse
destruction and seized the IEEE Code of Conduct...saying
he "addressed it." Not fully, so I merely listed the
IEEE mailing address for his convenience.

I said I addressed the IEEE Code of Ethics? I could have sworn that I
said you had *not* addressed it despite your claim of doing so. I've
controlled myself very well, Len. The sheer length of your post and the
angst contained therein demonstrates that you aren't in control of yourself.

I didn't need to "seize the IEEE Code of Conduct". You post with an
IEEE address. You told us of your membership in the IEEE. The IEEE has
a Code of Ethics. You obviously do not behave in a manner outlined by
that code. Here I thought you were only against the Morse Code.

David Heil is perfectly free to communicate with the IEEE
and bring his CHARGES OF MISCONDUCT against me to the
attention of the Membership Committee of the IEEE, the
Ethics Committee, whatever IEEE official, other IEEE
members he wants to vent to. So are you. Go ahead.

I don't need a go ahead from you.

As I've said, as the IEEE says, it is a Professional
Association. It has no direct bearing on AMATEUR RADIO
other than some of its thousands of members no doubt
do professional work on designing, manufacturing, and
selling of amateur radio equipment.

Then why, pray tell, do you start posting with an IEEE address and
braying about your membership here? This isn't a PROFESSIONAL
newsgroup. You're quite right that the IEEE has no more direct bearing
on amateur radio than your repeated tales of how long you've held a
COMMERCIAL license.

The IEEE makes
available a forwarding alias for e-mail to members and
I use that free service, hence the "signature" I use.
Some have great difficulty with that "signature,"
demanding I either drop it or get an amateur radio
license and use that (as "official?"). Now that
"signature" (or "ID" or just an e-mail address) has
become a Cause Celebre' of yourself and someone who
has an obsession of villifying his newsgroup enemies?

Someone who has an obsession with villifying his newsgroup enemies?
That sounds like you! Are you demanding that you drop your IEEE sig?

Here's another plain and simple fact: There are dozens
of daily postings by anonymous individuals in THIS
newsgroup spewing hateful filth about others.

Oh, you've noticed, have you?

A simple
search of Google archives will turn up "responsible"
(Ha!) "names" such as "Not Cocksucker Lloyd" and "Billy
****tydrawers" yet THEY are NOT made a target of this
Inquisition into the "Morality" of their postings.

The hell they aren't. You aren't paying attention. The individual
posting as "Not Cocksucker Lloyd", "Billy ****tydrawers", "Markie Rapes
(whatever" and many others is, as I've frequently pointed out, noted
sociopath, scofflaw, mental case Roger L. Wiseman AB8MQ, formerly KC8JBO
of Glen Dale, West Virginia--right here in my county. Local law
enforcement personnel are quite aware of him and have had encounters
with him.


Why IS that? They do not have any identifiable
connection with amateur radio, but you seem to avoid
them in favor of direct (snide) "attacks" on certain
others such as myself.

Roger has an identifiable connection with amateur radio. He also
crossposts many of his responses, drawing in others. Pay attention.
His posts do not excuse your posts. After all, he is mentally ill. Are
you claiming a mental exemption?

That is hypocrisy in action,
demonstratable in things like the insinuation below:

In your personal,
non-professional life, you feel that it is acceptable
and defensible:

What I do in my "personal, non-professional life" is
none of your concern.

The behavior you exhibit here is certainly part of your "personal,
non-professional life", Leonard.


Neither you nor David Heil
can control that, modify it, or make judgements on
it leading to cessation of my rights to free speech
as a citizen of the USA and as a military veteran of
the USA.

At ease, Sarge.

1. This isn't a military newsgroup.

2. I am free to make judgments (not judegements) on anything you write here.

3. Nobody has done anything to abrogate your rights to free speech. You
simply don't understand that while you are free to speak or write, no
one must listen. No one must refrain from heckling. No one must agree
with you. No one must show deference to you.

The balance of your rant snipped.

Dave K8MN