"an old friend" wrote:

Mike could end it almost at once by admitting what we all know he was
obliged to give up the call based on threat of action by the FCC
wether than tell th e CUURENT LIE he did so of his own free will

There was no "threat of action" by the FCC.

The FCC asked for documents.
I opted not to supply them.
FCC cancelled the callsigns.

Pretty simple.

At no time was there any "threat of action", i.e. a "warning notice" which
would later become a "license revocation" or a "forfeiture proceeding". No
matter how much you wish it true, it ain't gonna change history, available
for anyone to google if they so wish.

Of course, there's an entire argument to be made that the documentation
requested by the FCC in their correspondence to me (i.e. meeting minutes,
meeting times) is not required under Part 97. 97.5(b)(2) only states that
"The club must be composed of at least four persons and must have a name, a
document of organization, management, and a primary purpose devoted to
amateur service activities consistent with this part." There is no
requirement stated in 97.5(b)(2) that an organization keep minutes or
publish a schedule of meetings -- in fact, the way 97.5(b)(2) reads, you
could have 1 meeting every 10 years and still be in compliance.


If I was so inclined, and if I was so "dishonest" as some people in this
forum claim, I could have easily created such documents and supplied them.

On Feb 16, 7:41 pm, "KH6HZ" wrote:
"an old friend" wrote:

Mike could end it almost at once by admitting what we all know he was
obliged to give up the call based on threat of action by the FCC
wether than tell th e CUURENT LIE he did so of his own free will

There was no "threat of action" by the FCC.

The FCC asked for documents.
I opted not to supply them.
FCC cancelled the callsigns.

Pretty simple.

Cancelling a dozen fraudulent callsigns is "inaction."

At no time was there any "threat of action", i.e. a "warning notice" which
would later become a "license revocation" or a "forfeiture proceeding". No
matter how much you wish it true, it ain't gonna change history, available
for anyone to google if they so wish.

Cancelling a dozen fraudulent callsigns is "inaction."

Of course, there's an entire argument to be made that the documentation
requested by the FCC in their correspondence to me (i.e. meeting minutes,
meeting times) is not required under Part 97. 97.5(b)(2) only states that
"The club must be composed of at least four persons and must have a name, a
document of organization, management, and a primary purpose devoted to
amateur service activities consistent with this part." There is no
requirement stated in 97.5(b)(2) that an organization keep minutes or
publish a schedule of meetings -- in fact, the way 97.5(b)(2) reads, you
could have 1 meeting every 10 years and still be in compliance.

What? You just had "verbal" meeting minutes? You didn't get them in
writing???

If I was so inclined, and if I was so "dishonest" as some people in this
forum claim, I could have easily created such documents and supplied them.

Like a cat covering up "something."

There were no clubs, there were no members, and there were no
documents of organization.

There were no meetings, and there were no minutes recorded.

At best there were a couple of guys who wanted a bigger piece of the
public pie than was reasonable. A much bigger piece.

You should be in politics.

wrote:

Cancelling a dozen fraudulent callsigns is "inaction."

The FCC never cancelled a dozen callsigns. One has to wonder how you passed
an amateur radio exam given you seem to fail basic math. Perhaps Riley
should require you to be retested.

Nor were the callsigns "fraudulent". The cancelled callsigns were 100% valid
callsigns issued by the FCC. A callsign issued by the FCC cannot be
fraudulent by its very definition.


What? You just had "verbal" meeting minutes? You didn't get them in
writing???

Where in 97.5(b)(2) does it state meeting minutes are a requirement?


There were no clubs, there were no members, and there were no
documents of organization.

Define a "document of organization". Charter issed by the State? IRS
recognition as a non-profit organization? A 1-sheet piece of paper that says
"We're a club, this is what we do, and the club license trustee is manager
ad infinitum"?

Guess what? That 97.5(b)(2) doesn't define what a 'document of organization'
is, so a 1-page or 1-paragraph description suffices.


There were no meetings, and there were no minutes recorded.

There is no definition in 97.5(b)(2) as to how often a club has to have
meetings, how long those meetings have to be, how the meetings have to be
publicized, or that the 'minutes' of any meetings held be maintained.

A group of 5 hams getting together informally several times a year, chatting
over coffee, and participating in a DF "foxhunt", fully meets the
requirements of 97.5(b)(2)


If you want to stomp your feet and jump up and down some more, be my guest.
Doesn't change the facts -- which anyone can google and see for themselves.


Now, go take a quinapril, we don't want you to burst a blood vessel.

On Feb 17, 7:13 am, "KH6HZ" wrote:
wrote:
Cancelling a dozen fraudulent callsigns is "inaction."

The FCC never cancelled a dozen callsigns. One has to wonder how you passed
an amateur radio exam given you seem to fail basic math. Perhaps Riley
should require you to be retested.

Nor were the callsigns "fraudulent". The cancelled callsigns were 100% valid
callsigns issued by the FCC. A callsign issued by the FCC cannot be
fraudulent by its very definition.

What? You just had "verbal" meeting minutes? You didn't get them in
writing???

Where in 97.5(b)(2) does it state meeting minutes are a requirement?

There were no clubs, there were no members, and there were no
documents of organization.

Define a "document of organization". Charter issed by the State? IRS
recognition as a non-profit organization? A 1-sheet piece of paper that says
"We're a club, this is what we do, and the club license trustee is manager
ad infinitum"?

Guess what? That 97.5(b)(2) doesn't define what a 'document of organization'
is, so a 1-page or 1-paragraph description suffices.

There were no meetings, and there were no minutes recorded.

There is no definition in 97.5(b)(2) as to how often a club has to have
meetings, how long those meetings have to be, how the meetings have to be
publicized, or that the 'minutes' of any meetings held be maintained.

A group of 5 hams getting together informally several times a year, chatting
over coffee, and participating in a DF "foxhunt", fully meets the
requirements of 97.5(b)(2)

If you want to stomp your feet and jump up and down some more, be my guest.
Doesn't change the facts -- which anyone can google and see for themselves.

Now, go take a quinapril, we don't want you to burst a blood vessel.

Mike, it sure looks like you non-complied with everthing that wasn't
in Part 97. You could be the example child for the next Part 97
update. It could be called the "Mad Dog Mike Deignan Clause."

Congrats on being so smart an outwitting Riley.

You da RF Commando Man!