"Clint" wrote ...

Hey, wanna talk SHUDDER?

this is what makes ME shudder... the thought that you are invoking the
priviledges of free speech and rights of society just like I am, but also
advocating that an idea, concept or practice be forced upon a person against
thier will. And you're doing that with a straight face.
__________________________________________________ _________________

No, we are trying to get you to understand that there are much better ways
to express your argument than by invoking an analogy that offends a large
group of people. It should be obvious by now, that this is what you have
done. What part of that is eluding you?

Arnie -
KT4ST

Arnie,

If you review this individual's posts on this subject over the last
few days, a trend becomes obvious - his intent IS to upset and annoy.
He thrives on confrontation, and really gets going when he hits a
nerve with one of his readers. Not intellectual enough to make his
point by rational arguement, he resorts to name calling and other
juvenile tactics to 'get his way'. And he knows that the "nazi" thing
works - so he keeps on with it - it's his gig.

Convincing people like this to change is analogous to trying to teach
a pig to sing - no matter how hard you try, it ain't gonna happen -
you'll only annoy the pig....

Best tactic for handling this guy - Dee has it absolutely right, use
the killfile. If there's no audience, there'll be no idiot!

Plonk 'im.

73, Leo

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:01:24 -0400, "Arnie Macy"
wrote:

"Clint" wrote ...

Hey, wanna talk SHUDDER?

this is what makes ME shudder... the thought that you are invoking the
priviledges of free speech and rights of society just like I am, but also
advocating that an idea, concept or practice be forced upon a person against
thier will. And you're doing that with a straight face.
_________________________________________________ __________________

No, we are trying to get you to understand that there are much better ways
to express your argument than by invoking an analogy that offends a large
group of people. It should be obvious by now, that this is what you have
done. What part of that is eluding you?

Arnie -
KT4ST

"Len Over 21" wrote ...

My first wife was Reform Jew. All her older relatives made it out of
Germany via Denmark. I've talked with them at length at the time and also
with many others in the same situation. In the Fairfax area of western Los
Angeles. She died in late 1964, a cancer victim. Are you now going to
"lecture" me on the Holocaust of WW2? Are you now going to assume some kind
of superior moral attitude about "ancestry" because you have such weak
arguments on the retention of morse code testing in an avocational hobby
activity involving radio? May your conscience be forever burdened by the
souls of seven million who died when you profess some kind of outrage in an
argument over code testing. That is a pathetically weak, petty connection
you make. There are several Centers for the Holocaust around the USA. I
would suggest you visit one and spend some time there and reflect on the
reality of that dreadful, terrible happening over half a century ago.
Yarmulke is optional during a visit. Carrying a code key during such a
visit isn't required.

P U T Z !
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Based on the above, I would think that you would also be sensitive to the
use of the word. Clint could have easily made his argument without invoking
it. As to outrage, mine is real, my relatives who suffered and died were
real, and I *do* take real offense to the use of the word in such a petty
and out of context manner. You should too.

Arnie -
KT4ST

In article .net, "Bill Sohl"
writes:

IF morse (i.e. radiotelegraphy) had any basis as a foundation
for higher learning of radio concepts, principles or theory
then it would be a requirement of engineering students...which
it has never been to my knowledge anywhere.

Faulty logic, Bill.

"Radio" is but a small, specialized part of electrical engineering. That's one
reason Morse isn't and wasn't part of the curriculum. Heck, soldering is a much
bigger part of electrical engineering than radio, and soldering is not taught
in EE school either.

But if someone wants to learn radio on their own, and wants to learn-by-doing,
amateur radio can be a really fun way to learn. Skill in Morse code is an
excellent tool in that learning process.

73 de Jim, N2EY

"N2EY" wrote in message
...
In article .net, "Bill
Sohl"
writes:

IF morse (i.e. radiotelegraphy) had any basis as a foundation
for higher learning of radio concepts, principles or theory
then it would be a requirement of engineering students...which
it has never been to my knowledge anywhere.

Faulty logic, Bill.

"Radio" is but a small, specialized part of electrical engineering. That's
one
reason Morse isn't and wasn't part of the curriculum. Heck, soldering is a
much
bigger part of electrical engineering than radio, and soldering is not
taught
in EE school either.

But if someone wants to learn radio on their own, and wants to
learn-by-doing,
amateur radio can be a really fun way to learn. Skill in Morse code is an
excellent tool in that learning process.
73 de Jim, N2EY

Then yoiu should have no problem gaining morse users from those that
want to learn by doing after the code test is gone.

Cheers,
Bill K2UNK

"Leo" wrote ...

If you review this individual's posts on this subject over the last few
days, a trend becomes obvious - his intent IS to upset and annoy. He
thrives on confrontation, and really gets going when he hits a nerve with
one of his readers. Not intellectual enough to make his point by rational
arguement, he resorts to name calling and other juvenile tactics to 'get his
way'. And he knows that the "nazi" thing works - so he keeps on with it -
it's his gig.

Convincing people like this to change is analogous to trying to teach a pig
to sing - no matter how hard you try, it ain't gonna happen - you'll only
annoy the pig....

Best tactic for handling this guy - Dee has it absolutely right, use the
killfile. If there's no audience, there'll be no idiot! Plonk 'im.
__________________________________________________ _______________

Leo,

I completely agree with your points. I just hate to "plonk" him. I did
that to Len for about a year and missed many laughs. But, at the end of the
day, it might have to be done.

73,

Arnie -
KT4ST

"Mike Coslo" wrote ...

Arnie, I believe he is expressing himself exactly as he wants to.
__________________________________________________ ____

Mike,

I believe you are right. You can lead a horse to water ...

73,

Arnie -
KT4ST

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 20:51:21 -0400, "Arnie Macy"
wrote:

Of course, that's OK too - if you are not offended by the boorish
behaviour, and are able to see these people for what they are, you can
have a lot of fun watching them.

Kind of like the zoo, only more interactive.

But, a word of advice - if you are sensitive about an issue (as many
people are to the Holocaust, for example), never let then know -
they'll just use it against you later, usualling when they feel
threatened by you. That is a pretty scummy technique - but it's the
only real weapon in a cretin's arsenal. In other words, don't give
'em any ammunition....

73, Leo



I completely agree with your points. I just hate to "plonk" him. I did
that to Len for about a year and missed many laughs. But, at the end of the
day, it might have to be done.

73,

Arnie -
KT4ST

Oops - missed that one! I was playing on the old "if a tree falls in
the woods, and no one hears, does it make a sound?" riddle.

You are absolutely correct - there is no sound, but the tree is still
there all right :)

Good one - thanks, Dick!

73, Leo

On 23 Sep 2003 01:00:52 GMT, "Dick Carroll;"
wrote:



Leo wrote:

Arnie,

If you review this individual's posts on this subject over the last
few days, a trend becomes obvious - his intent IS to upset and annoy.
He thrives on confrontation, and really gets going when he hits a
nerve with one of his readers. Not intellectual enough to make his
point by rational arguement, he resorts to name calling and other
juvenile tactics to 'get his way'. And he knows that the "nazi" thing
works - so he keeps on with it - it's his gig.

Convincing people like this to change is analogous to trying to teach
a pig to sing - no matter how hard you try, it ain't gonna happen -
you'll only annoy the pig....

Best tactic for handling this guy - Dee has it absolutely right, use
the killfile. If there's no audience, there'll be no idiot!



Oh, there'll still be an idiot, just one with no audience!


Plonk 'im.




Did it the second day he was on here.

"Leo" wrote ...

But, a word of advice - if you are sensitive about an issue (as many people
are to the Holocaust, for example), never let then know - they'll just use
it against you later, usualling when they feel threatened by you. That is a
pretty scummy technique - but it's the only real weapon in a cretin's
arsenal. In other words, don't give 'em any ammunition....
__________________________________________________ ______________

Yep, good advice. Thanks.

Arnie -
KT4ST