Clint wrote:
We can have plenty of fun in here arguing with each other without
resorting to that.

Think about it Clint.


I have and reject the premis of your argument.
It sounds as though the PCTA crowd is really sour that they have
been correctly labeled for what they are, and are so mad about it
that they're resorting to some sort of bleeding heart tactic to side
step the argument. You must be liberals.

And I think YOU are FRENCH!!! Are you French, Clint?

It is fascinating to read your repulsive posts about equating Pro-coder
with Nazi's. Just fascinating. However, you have convinced me of one
thing.I think you are perhaps the epitome of the No-coder, the brave new
ham that takes the ARS into the 21st century.


If you do not like what I say, then you have two options; do not
read my posts, or, crawl under the covers and hide from the
coldness of reality and the true sensations of the world...
...and put me on your "block senders" list.

Nahh, I will read your posts, and in the off chance there is something
of intelligence in them, perhaps I will reply. I read everyone's posts.
No need to crawl under the covers.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Clint wrote:
We can have plenty of fun in here arguing with each other without
resorting to that.

Think about it Clint.




I have and reject the premis of your argument.

SO what you are saying is that you HAVE to call us Nazi's, Clint?

You have my pity, Clint, you really do.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Arnie Macy wrote:
"Clint" wrote in part ...

If you have been hiding in a cave for the last many years and didn't bring
yourself out into the sunlight and fresh oxegen long enough to know what the
reference means, then i'll educate you. It was a symbolic reference to any
group, such as the brown shirts of the aforementioned group, and ultimately
the national socialist party itself that ascended to power, of ramming thier
radical ideas down people throats without regard to anything but it's own
desire and wishes, no matter how useful, unuseful or down right malevolent.
__________________________________________________ __________________

What a complete and total jerk you are. If you had even one shred of
decency, or you had family members that had died at the hands of the Nazis
(as I have) -- you would *never* use the term in the above context.

I dunno, Arnie. From what I've seen in his posts, Clint knows
absolutely everything. After all just read the lecture he gave you about
that group. I pity him though.

- Mike KB3EIA -

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

Arnie Macy wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote ...

Hey, Arnie! If "personal character attacks are an admission of defeat, why
don't you ask Clint about calling us N***'s? He must really be admitting
defeat if he both calls us that *and* invokes Godwin's law.
__________________________________________________ ____________

Many of my ancestors met the "real" Nazis and never survived. I think too
many people (including Clint) use the term without really knowing what
implication it truly has. As to me admitting defeat, he is just exercising
wishful thinking.

Yup, no one who had any real dealing with them personally, or through
family would ever spout that off. That's why Godwin's law is what it is.

Does "Godwin's Law" demand strict adherence to morseodism?

We can have plenty of fun in here arguing with each other without
resorting to that.

We can't if Ah-nold the Codinator has a hissy-fit every time someone
refuses to admire his code key.

Think about it Clint.

Think about penalty box time for sticking...or trying to stick it to
someone,
Michael.

LHA

In article , "Arnie Macy"
writes:

"Clint" wrote ...

and just fill in the blanks as to what a N*** is, and we'll see if I was
guilty of calling you an inflammatory and insulting name.
_________________________________________________ _________

My Polish ancestors know very well what the word "Nazi" means. Many of them
met the real ones sixty years ago and didn't survive.

Yet you had enough "Polish ancestors" that survived so that you were
created...

Are ANCESTORS now to be a "credential" for qualified commentary on
amateur radio?!?!?

Radio as a communications medium was first demonstrated in 1896 in
Italy and in 1896 in Russia. Electronic history doesn't have much to say
about Polish radio.

The acronym "NAZI" is formed from German words meaning (literal
translation) 'National Socialist Party.' [National Socialistiche Partei]
In the pronunciation of the German word for 'National' it sounds to have
a Z in it, therefore the acronym has a Z in it.

You seem to use the
word with abandon, without having a single clue as to what it *really*
means, and to whom it refers.

In colloquial American English, the word 'nazi' (all lower-case) has come
to mean nearly any in-your-face extremist group wanting Their Way (or
else!). Hence "smoking nazis" and feminist "nazis" sometimes referred to
as "feminazis" as two examples.

Do you need any more help on etymology?

LHA

In article , Dick Carroll
writes:

Brian wrote:

Dick Carroll wrote in message
...
Robert wrote:

"Dick Carroll" wrote

I am capable of passing any sort of radio traffic by way of
radiotelgraphy,

I'd like to see you pass a weather satellite photo fax via
radiotelegraphy....

Uh,, Bob, that isn't traffic, It's *data*. I guess if you were really
familiar with radio
you;d know that, wouldn't you?

Uhhh, DICK, you should know that weather data can be passed via many
modes, and that satellite imagery is referred to as wefax or wxsat.

Typically, what is called "DATA" is RTTY.

No, Brian, digital information that is not analog voice is generally known as
data tansmission.

Only in "Tansania." :-)

At home, my wife and I enjoy watching and listening to cable service that
is ALL DIGITAL carrying many more TV channels than the old analog
cable service PLUS carrying over three dozen binaural, Dolby enhanced
specialty music channels carrying both voice and music.

US military field radio routinely uses DIGITAL modes in sending all kinds
of communications material...facsimile, scanned images, voice, text,
almost anything. In the field or at permanent bases. No problem.

Why DO you have such a problem with newer technology?

But all that is old technology. Today, we get our weather via
wideband, though you're free to play with UKMO and NAM transmissions.

I guess you missed the entire point that WEFAX isn't in any circumstance
handled by Morse code. That is reserved for text communications or coded
letter
groups.

"Coded letter groups?!?!?"

Old-timer, you are still STUCK in technology of a half-century ago.

Even then, "coded letter groups" were fast disappearing in encrypted
communications. [those are alive only in fictional novels and in the minds
of old-timers]


Couldn't be much of a difference since you obviously don't know why.
And I know why you don't. You're simply ignorant about weather comms.
Stick to things you know, such as CW and more CW. When you're done
talking about CW, you could switch to Morse so you don't sound like a
broken record.

More gibberish and attempted bafflegab. That's all you know so you stick to
it.

Brian has good advice for you. Try heeding it.

If you don't, you will remain an ignorant old-timer unable to comprehend a
modern world.

LHA

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

Arnie,

This Clint character uses this sort of 'arguement' on everything he does.
Yet he claims 'knowledge' of the subject after saying basically that unless
you were there, you know nothing about it.

He shoots himself in the foot here as he does with the pro code testing
commentary. In fact his arguement proves he is just being a world class
smart ass.

In otherwords let it go Arnie. May I express my sincere regrets that you
have such a knowledge of those NAZI *******s.

As well it's unfortunate we know people that think that it is a fine
argument technique to invoke them as a pejorative description. That is
sad, sad sad.

I think you've been hit with too many hockeypucks without wearing
a helmet.

NOWHERE can any rational mind connect WANTING TO ELIMINATE
AN AMATEUR RADIO CODE TEST with the HOLOCAUST of WW2!

If you have a need for that, then you also have a need for mental therapy.

It is also indicative of a person that doesn't play well with others

Yes, on Macy's side.

He can't stomach any opposition to some of his hobby preferences so
he pulls off this "ancestral insult" bull****.

Poor baby. Has to rule the playground or he has a hissy fit.


Clint doesn't play well with the other boys and girls.

Well, Mikey, YOU go and play with other boys and girls.

Meanwhile, us ADULTS will continue to bring up the SUBJECT of MORSE
CODE TESTING...not "outrage about ancestral insults."

Cheap, Mikey, you really cheap...

LHA

In article , "Arnie Macy"
writes:


Clint,

This is not a game where you hit home runs.

This is a newsgroup. It would seem that ANY trick is okay to win
message points.

This is a serious subject.

Yes. Ah-nold the Codinator got his sword knotted.

I'm
a few years older than you, so it stands to reason that I've had the
opportunity to speak directly with many of the members of my family who
survived the Nazis' attempt to exterminate them in Poland.

Kiddo, I'm a few years older than YOU, but don't have any "ancestors"
who were in concentration camps. Instead, I've talked DIRECTLY to
those who were there, even a couple of ex-soldiers who helped
liberate one camp. Lots of those centers for Holocaust remembrance
here in Los Angeles.

Cut out this totally artificial-to-the-subject "ancestral insult" crap.

The word "nazi" (all lower case) has come to mean what Clint said
in the American language of TODAY.

I listened to
them many times over as a young man and understand fully the meaning of the
word. I don't subscribe to your loose definition, and neither do the many
people who lived under that tyranny. When you use it to describe those that
are in favor of code testing in the ARS, you cheapen the meaning, and
therefore the memories of all those people who did not survive.

You ought to run right down to your nearest Simon Weisenthal Center
and TELL THEM ABOUT YOUR OUTRAGE!!!!

Please,
think about this before you use the word again. That's all that I ask.

If the "ancestral outrage/insult" ploy is the best thing you can come up
with in a newsgroup concerning the MORSE CODE TEST FOR
AMATEUR RADIO LICENSING, you might as well quit trying to post
anything. Your artificiality has lost it for you. Negative message points.

LHA

I think that may be a prevailing sentiment and character
trait of that crowd, actually.

After talking to them enough, you FINALLY get out
of them, as I have, the truth (but I suspected it all along).

It's is tantamount to an authoritarian's way of running
a government. Free market forces aren't to dictate
policy or courses of action, but the pointing of fingers
and swinging of riding crops IS. If you read the
various responses that a few of the PCTA types have
made to all of our comments, it all boils down to the following
doctrine...

(1) I had to do it, so should YOU.
(2) It shouldn't be up to a free citizen to operate as he sees
fit; he should do what he's told, for the better good of
the existence of the archaic mode in question (CW)
(3) Shut up, your opinion in the operation of the government
(read: FCC) doesn't matter, and you should not have the
the right to have any influence on how it governs you;
you're the subject of the empire.
(4) The public at large (ham radio operators) should NOT
be BURDENED with having to make choices; they
should not have the freedom to choose how to use
thier skills to the ends that they see fit; such is an
IMPOSITION upon them.

Clint
KB5ZHT

--

--

A quote from Paul Cook, a typical "understanding
and tolerant" liberal...

"People like you really have no place in a civilized society although that
same society does try to accommodate you. You're basically an idiot who
takes advantage of what a society has to offer each and every single day
yet
you refuse to acknowledge its cost or its benefits to you. "


Facts are to socialists what crosses are to vampires

--
"Brian" wrote in message
m...
Clint, not only can Dave be the smuggest of PCTAs on r.r.a.p., but he
has a certain penchant for obtuseness. He is a master of not
understanding whatever it is that isn't going his way.

Brian

"Clint" rattlehead@computronDOTnet wrote in message
...
actually, it was my tale and he correctly read
between the lines; he knew EXACTLY what
I was meaning to say.

Clint
KB5ZHT


Not so, Farnsworth. There is nothing about a PCTA in the tale
anywhere.
You continue to do your reading between the lines.

Dave K8MN

What a complete and total jerk you are. If you had even one shred of
decency, or you had family members that had died at the hands of the Nazis
(as I have) -- you would *never* use the term in the above context.

Arnie -
KT4ST



I had two uncles fight in that war, for one thing, and for another, I did
not know you had a monopoly on morality. Forgot you were coronated
to that position, I guess.

Clint
KB5ZHT