In article , "Dee D. Flint"
writes:

I and other parents that I know have always required our children to eat
foods that are good for them whether they liked them or not. My children
have always been required to eat what was served whether they liked it or
not. Children were not allowed to dictate the menu.

...and so you act like you are the "parent" in here telling us what we
are supposed to like?

LHA

In article , ospam
(Larry Roll K3LT) writes:

In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:

Dwight, if Larrah had to do it, EVERYBODY has to do it.

Except YOU, Lennie. YOU never do anything but whine!

I prefer a rose' with elaborate dinners, not the common table grappa in
a peasant cottage.

Sonny, I've probably done MORE in radio already than you've done in
your entire "career" as a hambone...er Ham.

You have PLAYED for years at ham radio, using ready-made
equipment, not really understanding what goes on behind your
ready-made front panels. Where are YOUR accomplishments in
amateur radio, your name posted as anywhere involving advancing
anything of the amateur state of the art? On FIDONET? Words,
self-glorifying yourself. On this newsgroup? More words, more
self-glorifying of yourself...plus an extreme amount of patronizing
"I am your moral superior" preacher without a church.

Yes, without a church. Up in Newington you couldn't be "honored"
when you showed up at their door so you upbraided ARRL for not
treating you as royalty. The Church of St. Hiram rejected you!

(snip) You have not had that mode's unique benefits
and advantages proved to you over and over again through
years of daily OTA use. I have. (snip)

Again, this is not about Morse Code/CW use - it's about the code test
requirement. I can have that operational experience without a test
requirement and you can continue to enjoy the "mode's unique benefits and
advantages" long after the testing requirement is gone.

Larrah can't grasp the theological import of that clear and concise idea.
He is a self-professed "true believer" and cannot see ANY other religious
idea but his old cult status.

Well, at least I'm a True Believer in something useful, unlike Lennie,
who only "believes" in sitting on the sidelines, throwing rotten apples
at those who are acquiring and utilizing useful communications skills.

Poor baby...someone threw a rotten apple at you and its worm also
turned on you?

Sonny, you've had your morse blinders on so long you can't understand
what others are saying, have said, and explained to you in detail.

Manual radiotelegraphy is NOT a "useful communications skill" anymore
unless you are a cult morseodist. Morse code is in its 159th year as a
slow, often error-prone technically simplistic communications tool. Only
a minority of amateurs use it. Morsemen are required at each radio
circuit end to make it effective at all.

I learned several kinds of RTTY and TTY over a half century ago and USED
them...including one that had 4 TTY circuits on the same FSK transmitter.
You think Martinez' PSK31 is "new and revolutionary?" Fine. Enjoy it, but
it is an innovation intended for real-time AMATEUR teletypewriting, not as
a state-of-the-art telecommunications method. I've set up and done 9600
Baud over a high HF circuit that all the nearby amateurs scoffed and
refused to believe when it worked successfully.

I've done far more modes/types of radio circuit modulation than is allocated
to amateurs and am engaged in some DTV test work at the moment. No
DTV is yet allocated to amateur bands. You've not done "matched filter"
multichannel since that isn't allowed in ham bands either...takes too long
to explain it to you so I won't bother...you've not shown you can handle
Ohm's Law successfully, let alone understand a cosine-squared pulse
shape.

Sonny, I've done radio communications from land in many places, from the
air while in a cockpit as well as cabin, on HF from the cabin of a moored
sailboat...the latter just a few months ago. NDAs forbid my mentioning
more, but you wouldn't understand the principles anyway. All kinds of
neat, new things, including not mentionable due to Title 18 USC.

At NO time was there ever any need to use morse code or demonstrate
morsemanship to successfully communicate. Not in a half century of
work that began with 24/7 primary communications service over HF trans-
Pacific. Never. Nada. Nyet. Nicht. No morsemanship needed at any
time.

Any you've done what? Playing with your radios, doing your beeping thing
the same as what was done by amateurs a half century ago or a full
century ago? What kind of "new technology" is on-off keying code use?
Who are you trying to fool other than children, fool?

LHA

Dick Carroll; wrote:


Dee D. Flint wrote:

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...

snippage


Oh how cruel! Dee, you are a meanie. You are stunting your kids
emotional growth and forcing them to do something they don't want to. NO
one should be forced to do something they don't want to be it Morse Code
or eating foods that are good for them. - end of being facetious.

How about NBI - NO Broccoli International?

- Mike KB3EIA -




I LIKE broccoli. Let's make it NO Peas International.




No, let's go with Brussels Sprouts. No-BS-I??? Yeah, that's it!!

Hehe, Good one, Dick!

- Mike KB3EIA -

N2EY wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:


I LIKE broccoli.

Me too actually.


Make that three.

Let's make it NO Peas International.

Pretty Peas?


Peas are great!

Green beans, on the other hand.....

--

And if ya really want to get people fired up:

Calves' liver, anyone?

Like 'em all so far.

Okra maybe? Snot wrapped inside a vegatable, that one.

- Mike KB3EIA -

The same applies to students of all ages. When an adult goes to college,

and wasn't it pointed out in an earlier post in this, or another, thread
that
electrical engineering students aren't required to learn morse code?

hmmmmmm.....

Clint
KB5ZHT

Sonny, I've probably done MORE in radio already than you've done in
your entire "career" as a hambone...er Ham.


oh, i'm just DIEING to see if he dares say something like "you can't know
everything I know and how far i've come and where i've been"... oh,
that's going to be just TOO juicy... bet he does though!

Clint
KB5ZHT

"Clint" rattlehead at computron dot net wrote in message
...

The same applies to students of all ages. When an adult goes to
college,

and wasn't it pointed out in an earlier post in this, or another, thread
that
electrical engineering students aren't required to learn morse code?

hmmmmmm.....

Clint
KB5ZHT

Your incorrect usage of snippage really hurts your comments. My point was
to show that adults are often required to meet standards set by people who
are experienced in their field of choice. This means taking courses in
college for example, that the student may never use. This is similar to
requiring hams to take and pass code tests.

Electrical engineering is not ham radio. Although they don't study code,
all of them have to take subjects in which they have no interest and will
never use otherwise they don't get the degree.

Adults are required to do things they don't want to on a regular basis.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote:

Perhaps, but the accuracy of those judgments are
definitely affected by having had those experiences,
or not. Someone who has never experienced a
house fire, a terrorist attack, life under a tyrannical
dictator, or a business failure is certainly capable
of making the entirely incorrect judgment about any
of the above. (snip)


Gladly, we don't live in a trial and error world today. I would hope the
bridge designer would have enough knowledge to build a safe bridge without
having to watch one (perhaps this one) fall down first. People can learn
about the specifics of a subject without personally experiencing every
aspect of it. We generally trust that system for a great many things in this
world today (for example, the bridges we routinely drive over).


I do not disagree. However, experience has shown
that people who aren't required to be code tested
usually don't bother to learn and use the Morse
code, so the issue does relate to code use, only to
the extent that the lack of a requirement would tend
to cause a decline in the use of the Morse/CW mode
in the fullness of time.


If that were true, I think a test requirement is the worst way to
accomplish what you're seeking. Instead, a better solution is to find ways
to attract new people to that aspect of ham radio. You're obviously not
going to have much success with that effort today because "no coders" have
made their choice about code while focusing solely on the license
requirement (the license requirement dominates the issue in their minds).
Later, when that license requirement is gone, the mode itself becomes the
focus. At that point, I think many more will be interested in taking a
second look at code. Obviously, there is no way for me to prove that now,
but I just have a feeling about this (perhaps the same way you have a
feeling about the above).


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote:

Dwight, unless and until you can show us just exactly
WHERE the ARS's code testing requirement ***IS***
relevant OUTSIDE of the ARS, all you're doing is
blowing smoke. And not very dense smoke at that.


It isn't relevant to anything outside the Amateur Radio today, Larry.
That's exactly why there are efforts being made to eliminate the Morse Code
test requirement. Those efforts extend throughout the world, including the
recent ITU vote to allow more flexibility on this issue.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:

In article , "Dee D.
Flint"
writes:

I and other parents that I know have always required our children to eat
foods that are good for them whether they liked them or not. My children
have always been required to eat what was served whether they liked it or
not. Children were not allowed to dictate the menu.

...and so you act like you are the "parent" in here telling us what we
are supposed to like?

Well, considering how often you act like a small child in here, Leonard, you're
certainly not qualified for that role.