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Dwight Stewart wrote:
"N2EY" wrote: OK fine. You wanna do migrant farm labor? If I could still physically do it, I'd be thrilled to do so, Jim. My grandmother owned a huge farm in North Carolina and I truly enjoyed going there every summer during my teenage years to work. I worked side-by-side with the hired laborers and did every single job they did. However, because of the low wages for most of those jobs today, I certainly wouldn't do some those jobs today (even if I could physically do so). However, a few farmers in the area still pay well and they have no problems finding labor. If I could do it, I wouldn't mind doing one of those jobs one summer just for the fun of it. Here lies the rub, Dwight! Although I disagree with a lot of your views on race, you are spot on on this thread sub-subject. The reason that this is "undesirable" work is simply because the producers are allowed to get away with paying such low wages. If they don't even pay minimum, how is a citizen even supposed to legally hold the job? Heck, even Wal Mart is doing it now. They've been caught using illegal immigrant labor on contract for cleaning. (I can just hear Paul Harvey "You couldn't have a better neighbor, I suppose *they* can't afford to pay decent wages? People picked crops as citizens long before it became "undesireable" work that could only be filled by illegal immigrants. - Mike KB3EIA - |
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"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Dwight Stewart wrote: "N2EY" wrote: OK fine. You wanna do migrant farm labor? If I could still physically do it, I'd be thrilled to do so, Jim. My grandmother owned a huge farm in North Carolina and I truly enjoyed going there every summer during my teenage years to work. I worked side-by-side with the hired laborers and did every single job they did. However, because of the low wages for most of those jobs today, I certainly wouldn't do some those jobs today (even if I could physically do so). However, a few farmers in the area still pay well and they have no problems finding labor. If I could do it, I wouldn't mind doing one of those jobs one summer just for the fun of it. Here lies the rub, Dwight! Although I disagree with a lot of your views on race, you are spot on on this thread sub-subject. The reason that this is "undesirable" work is simply because the producers are allowed to get away with paying such low wages. If they don't even pay minimum, how is a citizen even supposed to legally hold the job? Heck, even Wal Mart is doing it now. They've been caught using illegal immigrant labor on contract for cleaning. (I can just hear Paul Harvey "You couldn't have a better neighbor, I suppose *they* can't afford to pay decent wages? Why does WalMart have an obligation to "police" the pay scale of a contractor's employees. As a homeowner, I "hire" contractors now and then to do various jobs...it ain't my responsibility to know how much Company X contractor pays its employees People picked crops as citizens long before it became "undesireable" work that could only be filled by illegal immigrants. Heck, some folks PAY for the privilege of "pick your own" (enter appropriate farm product name). Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
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Bill Sohl wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Dwight Stewart wrote: "N2EY" wrote: OK fine. You wanna do migrant farm labor? If I could still physically do it, I'd be thrilled to do so, Jim. My grandmother owned a huge farm in North Carolina and I truly enjoyed going there every summer during my teenage years to work. I worked side-by-side with the hired laborers and did every single job they did. However, because of the low wages for most of those jobs today, I certainly wouldn't do some those jobs today (even if I could physically do so). However, a few farmers in the area still pay well and they have no problems finding labor. If I could do it, I wouldn't mind doing one of those jobs one summer just for the fun of it. Here lies the rub, Dwight! Although I disagree with a lot of your views on race, you are spot on on this thread sub-subject. The reason that this is "undesirable" work is simply because the producers are allowed to get away with paying such low wages. If they don't even pay minimum, how is a citizen even supposed to legally hold the job? Heck, even Wal Mart is doing it now. They've been caught using illegal immigrant labor on contract for cleaning. (I can just hear Paul Harvey "You couldn't have a better neighbor, I suppose *they* can't afford to pay decent wages? Why does WalMart have an obligation to "police" the pay scale of a contractor's employees. As a homeowner, I "hire" contractors now and then to do various jobs...it ain't my responsibility to know how much Company X contractor pays its employees For the same reason they might want a contractors employees tested for drugs. For the same reason you might not want to invest in an organization that has practices you don't like. Wal Mart has accountants, the accountants know - or should know - the hours needed to do a certain function, therefore they should have an idea what it should cost to contract out a service. If a bid comes in below what it should cost, the contract company is either not doing the job it should, is using illegal help, or is so incredibly efficient that the hiring company should have the contracting company do some seminars on how they got so efficient. You might want to think about your practice of apathy toward subcontractors. One way that they can charge lower prices is to not carry insurance. I recently had tree work done, and we got several quotes. We asked the lowest couple quotes to provide proof of insurance. Guess what? No insurance. So I do want to know a few things about those who I hire. YMMV. For myself I won't try to stand up for something illegal. - Mike KB3EIA - |
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In article .net, "Bill Sohl"
writes: Heck, some folks PAY for the privilege of "pick your own" (enter appropriate farm product name). But they get to keep what they pick. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
... Dwight Stewart wrote: "N2EY" wrote: OK fine. You wanna do migrant farm labor? If I could still physically do it, I'd be thrilled to do so, Jim. My grandmother owned a huge farm in North Carolina and I truly enjoyed going there every summer during my teenage years to work. I worked side-by-side with the hired laborers and did every single job they did. However, because of the low wages for most of those jobs today, I certainly wouldn't do some those jobs today (even if I could physically do so). However, a few farmers in the area still pay well and they have no problems finding labor. If I could do it, I wouldn't mind doing one of those jobs one summer just for the fun of it. Here lies the rub, Dwight! Although I disagree with a lot of your views on race, you are spot on on this thread sub-subject. No, the damned rub is in how much our products would cost if the jobs migrant and transient workers do were paid at much higher pay scales!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not that I want to see anyone suffering... However, I doubt you'd find the workforce needed to do the jobs even *with* a higher payscale... Physical labor is an art these days. Kim W5TIT |
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Kim W5TIT wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Dwight Stewart wrote: "N2EY" wrote: OK fine. You wanna do migrant farm labor? If I could still physically do it, I'd be thrilled to do so, Jim. My grandmother owned a huge farm in North Carolina and I truly enjoyed going there every summer during my teenage years to work. I worked side-by-side with the hired laborers and did every single job they did. However, because of the low wages for most of those jobs today, I certainly wouldn't do some those jobs today (even if I could physically do so). However, a few farmers in the area still pay well and they have no problems finding labor. If I could do it, I wouldn't mind doing one of those jobs one summer just for the fun of it. Here lies the rub, Dwight! Although I disagree with a lot of your views on race, you are spot on on this thread sub-subject. No, the damned rub is in how much our products would cost if the jobs migrant and transient workers do were paid at much higher pay scales!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not that I want to see anyone suffering... But where do we stop? As I noted to Jim, there are new jobs "going away" from America, like those in some IT fields. Don't expect it to stop there. The companies can pay much less for the help in India, and I guess we are to be happy that our software may cost less. I'd pay a little more for tech help I can understand. Anymore, it is getting really hard to make out what the tech help is telling me. - Mike KB3EIA - |
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"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
. .. Kim W5TIT wrote: "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Dwight Stewart wrote: "N2EY" wrote: OK fine. You wanna do migrant farm labor? If I could still physically do it, I'd be thrilled to do so, Jim. My grandmother owned a huge farm in North Carolina and I truly enjoyed going there every summer during my teenage years to work. I worked side-by-side with the hired laborers and did every single job they did. However, because of the low wages for most of those jobs today, I certainly wouldn't do some those jobs today (even if I could physically do so). However, a few farmers in the area still pay well and they have no problems finding labor. If I could do it, I wouldn't mind doing one of those jobs one summer just for the fun of it. Here lies the rub, Dwight! Although I disagree with a lot of your views on race, you are spot on on this thread sub-subject. No, the damned rub is in how much our products would cost if the jobs migrant and transient workers do were paid at much higher pay scales!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not that I want to see anyone suffering... But where do we stop? As I noted to Jim, there are new jobs "going away" from America, like those in some IT fields. Don't expect it to stop there. The companies can pay much less for the help in India, and I guess we are to be happy that our software may cost less. I'd pay a little more for tech help I can understand. Anymore, it is getting really hard to make out what the tech help is telling me. - Mike KB3EIA - Well, the fact that jobs are moving away from this country is not new--it's been going on since I was in High School. And, while I don't like it, I'm not going to get all bent out of shape over it--because there's not a damned thing that's ever been done about and there will never be. The only way to stop it from happening is to have the "rest of the world's" standard of living raised. Or, ours lowered. It seems to me that as jobs have moved out of this country (industries, we should say); they are slowly replaced by others. That is to say that it seems almost a natural transition that has been happening for at least two generations now. Sure, there are great numbers of people displaced by the practice--but the economy and job markets have recovered in every instance. Personally, I could never figure out why the computer industry was as it was in this country. When one considers that the technology of computers and its resulting industry can literally be transported over phone lines, how in the world is it that there was such a glut of computer, and telecom for that matter, in this country? Some tech support person from across the ocean can access my computer and help me fix it. Consider this. I've been toying with the idea over the last few years that it will the "menial" (as was put by someone else--I don't agree with the term) jobs that will gradually grow to the higher paid jobs in this country...because there will be less and less people who *will* do them. The "services" of a migrant worker or a fast food person, or a municipal worker or construction worker will become so highly needed, that they will be able to demand a pretty penny for their work. Everyone will want the sit-down-in-the-AC jobs and no one will want to work outside--where the meat of our lives comes from. Kim W5TIT |
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"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message ... Personally, I could never figure out why the computer industry was as it was in this country. When one considers that the technology of computers and its resulting industry can literally be transported over phone lines, how in the world is it that there was such a glut of computer, and telecom for that matter, in this country? Some tech support person from across the ocean can access my computer and help me fix it. What I object to is that they put people in customer service who speaks the language so poorly that their help is worthless. I had this happen while I was trying to cancel one of those "free internet trial subscriptions." It took at least 15 minutes to get them to understand that I wanted it totally canceled. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
.com... "Kim W5TIT" wrote in message ... Personally, I could never figure out why the computer industry was as it was in this country. When one considers that the technology of computers and its resulting industry can literally be transported over phone lines, how in the world is it that there was such a glut of computer, and telecom for that matter, in this country? Some tech support person from across the ocean can access my computer and help me fix it. What I object to is that they put people in customer service who speaks the language so poorly that their help is worthless. I had this happen while I was trying to cancel one of those "free internet trial subscriptions." It took at least 15 minutes to get them to understand that I wanted it totally canceled. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE You and I both, Dee. I consider myself an above-average patient person. However, many times the communication barrier between myself and who is on the phone to help far exceeds the frustration from the cause of my call! Kim W5TIT |
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Kim W5TIT wrote:
Consider this. I've been toying with the idea over the last few years that it will the "menial" (as was put by someone else--I don't agree with the term) jobs that will gradually grow to the higher paid jobs in this country...because there will be less and less people who *will* do them. The "services" of a migrant worker or a fast food person, or a municipal worker or construction worker will become so highly needed, that they will be able to demand a pretty penny for their work. And when this happens your taco and a coke at Taco Bell will cost you $15. |
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