Bill Sohl wrote:

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
t...

Bill Sohl wrote:


Well Bill, it looks like we will just have to remain at odds about this
issue.

Have a great Christmas!

- Mike KB3EIA -

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

The two I have seen I'm not
overwhelmed with.

Was this one of the plans you saw?

1) Three classes of license: Basic, Intermediate, Full (change the
names if you don't like them - Third, Second, First, Novice,
General, Extra, whatever)

2) HF/MF bands split into subbands by mode and split again by
license class. Some bands (30 meters) may be split by mode only.
Bottom of each band is CW only, middle is CW/digital, top is
CW/phone/image. Percentage division about 20%/30%/50% (varies with
band). "Digital" includes digital voice modes if bandwidth under
1 kHz.

3) "Basic" license test is simple 20-25 question exam on regs,
procedures, and safety. Very little technical and RF exposure
stuff. Main objective is to keep Basics out of trouble. Basics
get 100-50 watts on HF/MF and 25 watts or so on VHF/UHF (power
level is below the point where RF exposure evaluation required).
Modes are CW, analog voice, PSK31, RTTY and many of the other
common data modes like packet. Basics cannot be VEs, control
ops for repeaters, or club trustees. Basics get most VHF/UHF
and about half of HF/MF spectrum, including parts of all
subbands-by-mode. Basic is meant as the entry level. Easy to
get, lots of privs, yet there's still a reason to upgrade.

4) "Intermediate" license test is more complex 50-60 question exam
on regs, procedures, safety and technical stuff. Intermediates
get 300-400 watts on all bands, all modes. Intermediates can be
VEs after qualification (see below), control ops for repeaters,
and club trustees. Intermediates get all VHF/UHF and about
three quarters (or more) of HF/MF spectrum. Intermediate requires
at least one year experience as a Basic.

5) "Full" license test is quite complex 100-120 question exam on
regs, procedures, safety and technical stuff. Mostly technical,
with some regs to cover expanded privs. Fulls get all
privileges, modes, bands, etc. except that Fulls can be VEs
only after qualification (see below). Full license requires
at least one year as an Intermediate.

6) All licenses are 10 year and fully renewable/modifiable. No
age requirements or limits.

7) Basics have six-character calls, Intermediates have five- or
six-character calls, and Fulls have four-, five-, or
six-character calls. Nobody has to give up an existing callsign.

8) Separate 30-35 question test for VE qualification, open to
Intermediates and Fulls, which allows them to be VEs. Existing
VEs are grandfathered.

9) Existing Novices, Techs and Tech Pluses become Basics,
existing Generals and Advanceds become Intermediates, and
existing Extras become Fulls. Existing hams can continue to
use their current privileges as long as they retain license
documents showing their old license class. Existing Tech Pluses
who can show proof of license before Mar 21, 1987 get Intermediates.

10) Change to new system is at least six months to one year after
announcement to allow time for question pool reorganization and
so existing hams can upgrade under present rules if they want.

11) Experience requirement is not waived for existing hams to
upgrade, but their time in existing classes counts.

End result is a system that is easy to get into (Basic is
envisioned as a 21st century version of the Novice) and has
reasonable but meaningful steps to reach full privileges.
Testing matches the privs granted. Power levels are set about
one S-unit apart. Nobody loses any privileges. There are only
three license classes and four written tests, so FCC doesn't
have more work.

Example of new privileges:

80/75 meters
3500-3575 CW only
3575-3750 CW/data
3750-4000 CW/analog phone/image

Basic: 3525-3625 and 3900-4000
Intermediate: 3525-3750 and 3850-4000
Full: entire band

How's that?

73 de Jim, N2EY

Not in the Mid-Michigan area.....can't find any radio related magazine
anymore! (except for something like Popular Electronics)

Heard some vicious rumor about the anti-radio relay league pulling magazines
from "shelf sales" recently but I cannot confirm this.


Ryan KC8PMX
--
"The Pope has issued a proclamation on Michael Jackson. If he hears any
more allegations about little boys, the Pope says he'll have no choice but
to make him a priest."


"JJ" wrote in message
...
JEP wrote:


2) Can't separate QST from membership

Check your local newstand or magazine rack in stores, many carry QST.
You can purchase it without membership, or check you local library, they
may carry it and you can read it for free.

"N2EY" wrote

1) Three classes of license: Basic, Intermediate, Full (change the
names if you don't like them - Third, Second, First, Novice,
General, Extra, whatever)

2) HF/MF bands split into subbands by mode and split again by
license class. Some bands (30 meters) may be split by mode only.
Bottom of each band is CW only, middle is CW/digital, top is
CW/phone/image. Percentage division about 20%/30%/50% (varies with
band). "Digital" includes digital voice modes if bandwidth under
1 kHz.


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Sames old disincentive licensing scheme we've had since the 60's warmed over
a bit.

Yawn.

73, de Hans, K0HB

That would be true if they were selling only ONE copy of it, but when I
COULD find a copy of it locally, due to the fact that it almost ALWAYS sold
out each month, I inquired as to how many copies they got at the closest
store. They said 15 per issue.

So your math would be in slight error. Multiply that number by 15 and you
get $718.56. Not bad for only one magazine, and when you consider they
usually have at least 100 or more magazines on their shelves.


Ryan KC8PMX
--
"The Pope has issued a proclamation on Michael Jackson. If he hears any
more allegations about little boys, the Pope says he'll have no choice but
to make him a priest."



At $4.99/mo ($59.88/yr) plus tax, I'm sure it wasn't a high volume
business
for Barnes and Noble, since that's a 53% premium over the membership dues,
and you don't get the other benefits which comes with membership. Only an
idiot would regularly buy QST from a news stand!

73, de Hans, K0HB

You do realize that the ARRL has the publication and distribution of QST
contracted out, don't you? You should crab to them, not the league per
se.

Cop out excuse. A person's beef would be with the ARRL, not the contracted
agency, and it would be the ARRL's responsibility to deal with the
contracted agency.


Ryan KC8PMX
--
"The Pope has issued a proclamation on Michael Jackson. If he hears any
more allegations about little boys, the Pope says he'll have no choice but
to make him a priest."

Moving it to the south is gonna do NOTHING more than change the location of
the headquarters.....


"Ragchewer" wrote in message
...

Why do I not like the ARRL? I will answer that with another
question. Would you trust a gang of Yankee carpetbaggers,
the same bunch who stole from the southerners at the end of
the War Between The States? You would? Good! Sign
up for life membership with the rest of the NewingtonYankee
gang. As for me, the league can go f..k itself, since that is what
it has been doing to the rest of us for decades.

RC

"KØHB" wrote in message hlink.net...
"N2EY" wrote

1) Three classes of license: Basic, Intermediate, Full (change the
names if you don't like them - Third, Second, First, Novice,
General, Extra, whatever)

2) HF/MF bands split into subbands by mode and split again by
license class. Some bands (30 meters) may be split by mode only.
Bottom of each band is CW only, middle is CW/digital, top is
CW/phone/image. Percentage division about 20%/30%/50% (varies with
band). "Digital" includes digital voice modes if bandwidth under
1 kHz.


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Sames old disincentive licensing scheme we've had since the 60's warmed over
a bit.

Yawn.

73, de Hans, K0HB


Sounds like what we've inherited today. Let's do something rational instead.

Brian

Subject: Why You Don't Like Ham's Who Can't Accept Change.
From: (N2EY)
Date: 12/24/03 9:21 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:

Amateur radio FUN is only "ancilliary" to the U.S. amateur radio
SERVICE. Ham radio is all about wearing a Lifestyle mental
uniform, marching in ranks to the morse drumbeat of the 1930s,
and being ready, willing, able to "take over communications" when
all the commercial/professional infrastructure FAILS in an
emergency? That's the thoughts I see expressed in here.

By whom?

There can be no fun in the ham SERVICE.

Says who?

Say Sir Putzii the First. He's said it over and over so it HAS to be
true, Jim. =)

Thank God yet another "holiday" is only 7 hours from being over. Maybe we
can get back to some semplence of sanity...But not until the "Day After" sakes
are over, I guess.....

73

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: Why You Don't Like The ARRL
From: "KØHB"
Date: 12/25/03 10:47 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id: .net

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Sames old disincentive licensing scheme we've had since the 60's warmed over
a bit.

It's only a "disincentive" to those who want something for nothing, Hans.

73

Steve, K4YZ