WA3MOJ wrote:


Well I must be braindead too then.I hope that bpl comes to my town so I can
afford something besides a dial up connection.

As long as you're satisfied with something that doesn't work!

- Mike

In article , Mike Coslo says...

WA3MOJ wrote:


Well I must be braindead too then.I hope that bpl comes to my town so I can
afford something besides a dial up connection.

As long as you're satisfied with something that doesn't work!

- Mike

Clueless newbie.

"WA3MOJ" wrote in message
...
In article , Mike Coslo
says...

I'm not sure which group you're posting from Steve, so I didn't trim the
groups. Once I know, I'll trim 'em out. cb and shortwave don't need all
this stuff (though shortwave listeners should be VERY concerned about
BPL.

Steveo wrote:

"Bill Sohl" wrote:

ITU treaty is goofed up too?

Cheers,
Bill K2UNK


What about that BPL thing, I know their using it in Manasass, anyone
hear how good or bad it is to HF comms?

Updates?

FEMA has expressed "grave concerns"

DERA has noted:

"DERA concludes that serious interference to and disruption of critical
emergency communications systems in several licensed services throughout
North America would almost certainly result from BPL implementation as
currently proposed," DERA's comments said. Endorsing FEMA's earlier
remarks, DERA said proposed BPL systems don't just pose a risk of
interference, they've already been shown to "actually cause harmful
interference to licensed radio services."

AMRAD has provided data that suggests that a Operating Ham within a half
mile radius will likely knock out BPL. The service is simply too
susceptable to interference.

from ARRL site:
AMRAD found that at a distance of just over one-half mile, data transfer
ceased in the face of a 100-W signal on 3980 kHz from a mobile
transmitter. Adjacent to the test property, AMRAD said data transfer
ceased in all but one instance at a transmitter power of just 4 W in the
BPL operating band of from 4 to 21 MHz.

back to me:

So BPL is a big source of interference to devices it isn't allowed to
interfere with, and it looks like a QRP or CB rig with a good antenna
can knock it out, but certainly a 100 watt rig will take BPL internet
out.

As I figured, the BPL internet access concept is going down fast.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Will it wipe out my 2 meter handheld?


Yes, it will.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Steveo wrote:
wrote:
Steveo wrote:
He scares me.

He would only scare me if he started driving in NW Georgia.

F#cker better not be driving nextel! (still ain't use to saying
nextel)

How is it that Park gets a ride before LaJoie?

--
___________________________
Truckers get the best $20 whores

(N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article k.net, "KØHB"
writes:

"N2EY" wrote

Suppose FCC enacted your proposal as you submitted it. Why would a
person with the entry-level license be qualified for that license for
ten years but then be unqualified for it after ten years? Particularly
if they were willing to retest for the same license?


It's a learners permit, NOT a license.

What's the difference?

It's provisional, intended to assist in gaining full qualification for
an amateur license.


Here in PA, a person with a learner's permit for driving cannot drive alone.
Could your learner's permit hams operate their own rigs all by themselves? If
so, it's a license.

If they couldn't/didn't learn enough
in 10 years to pass the examination for a license, then they are obviously
not qualified for a license.

But they're qualified to have a learner's permit for 10 years.


Do you have aproblem with 10 years? Should we make it 10 weeks?



Can you name any other license where, if you don't upgrade within a specified
time, you lose the license you have?


There are no such amateur licenses extant, but for the majority of
it's availability the Novice license was exactly like that. That was
probably the most effective method ever devised of introducing
non-amateurs to ham radio with a "sample sized" operating permit.
Easy to get, with limited power so you didn't trash the
RF-neighborhood too badly, and of a duration long enough to decide if
you wanted to become a ham and to gain experience for the
qualification tests. Then they spoiled it by making it renewable.

73, de Hans, K0HB

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Steveo ) wrote:
You see Dee D. how Steveo gets violent?

A clue by four is violent? Leave Dee alone already, leghumper.

Look at the thread you busted in on her so you started it dickwad.

No, I've replied to Dee before, without your moderation. What
made you decide to chime in with your worthless tripe this time?

Because your a TROLLLLLL Steveo and Dee D. needs to know it she was
clearly puzzled by you throwing N8WWMs name into the mix for no good
reason other than to cause trouble and lets face it you need to be
moderated, asslick.

I see that George
is back to trolling from his AOL account.
Please note the word "asslick":

N8WWM goes down in flames, again
Dunno, he was last heard jamming repeaters, they tossed him on the rain report
for it..as I recall. I heard you tossed a few salads in your day. asslick
rec.radio.amateur.policy - Jul 30, 2003 by Cool Breeze - View Thread (2 articles)

Feel the love here
... No surprises here. Asslick, you again seem to be retarded you brought
up another mans weight, do you want to have sex with george? ...
rec.radio.cb - May 11, 2003 by PhilC - View Thread (19 articles)

Oxendine Alert
... And your a dick with ears and you do use six,,, --
Your ass sucks wind you know nothing of me asslick and just as ...
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Only George use's that saying in this group.

he hasn't used snapperhead in a while....

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...
(Brian) wrote in message om...
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...

No more than...Ahhhh, never mind, you'll never get the point.

Make your point rational and I'll get it.

Many of us have tried to get YOU to be rational, Brain, but you
defy logic and, well, rationality.

Stebe, just because you can spell rational doesn't mean you are
rational.

You make unsubstantiated assertions you cannot or will not back
up, then ask us to just accept it without the proof.

I merely commented on your Basis and Purpose comment. Then I backed
it up. You need to make a rational comment why the basis and purpose
is satisfied by inventive licensing, but cannot be satisfied by a one
license ARS.

You're starting off the New Year on the wrong foot, Brain...By
making assertions that are not substantiated by factual evidence.

Welcome to 2004, MinnieLennie.

Steve, K4YZ

Steve, you said that the Basis and Purpose of self-learning cannot be
achieved after a person has achieved their first license in a
one-license system. That the Basis and Purpose can only be achieved
in a multiple-license system.

A "one license" system does not promote learning.

Why not? What License have you been working toward since you earned
Extra?

A "one license" system promotes stagnation and mediocrity. Look
what a "classless" society did to Central Europe for 70+ years.

Are you just begging for Len to come in here with his Hitler remarks?

You are an idiot!

As deftly pointed out by Jim, N2EY, the TRUE stagnation of the
Amateur Radio Service occured BEFORE Incentive Licensing.

Did not.

Was the way the FCC implemented it wrong? Sure it was. But the
system worked.

I asked if self-learning occurs after the Extra license is achieved.

Sure it does. And there are some cases where the licensee brings
his "self-learning" with him/her from an engineering
point-of-view...but thsoe folks are few and far between.

Give me a rational answer why it cannot occur after someone achieves a
license in a one-license system.

Can it occur? Sure it can.

Thank you. Finally an honest answer from one of you PCTA. I'll mark
my calendar.

Does it usually or routinely occur?
Nope.

Doesn't occur after Extra either. And ex-communicated Jim's proposal
was for all the pools to be combined, so it was the equavilant of
Extra.

So, in the end, you just don't know what you're talking about.

Now, here's one for YOU, Brain...cite for me some grand example
of "one size fits all and promotes learning" example from ANY aspect
of our society...One that can't be refuted at some level.

No.

I'll be waiting, but I won't be holding my breath.

Steve, K4YZ

Oh, please do.

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...
(Brian) wrote in message om...
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...

No more than...Ahhhh, never mind, you'll never get the point.

Make your point rational and I'll get it.

Many of us have tried to get YOU to be rational, Brain, but you
defy logic and, well, rationality.

Stebe, just because you can spell rational doesn't mean you are
rational.

You make unsubstantiated assertions you cannot or will not back
up, then ask us to just accept it without the proof.

I merely commented on your Basis and Purpose comment. Then I backed
it up. You need to make a rational comment why the basis and purpose
is satisfied by inventive licensing, but cannot be satisfied by a one
license ARS.

You're starting off the New Year on the wrong foot, Brain...By
making assertions that are not substantiated by factual evidence.

Welcome to 2004, MinnieLennie.

Steve, K4YZ

Steve, you said that the Basis and Purpose of self-learning cannot be
achieved after a person has achieved their first license in a
one-license system. That the Basis and Purpose can only be achieved
in a multiple-license system.

A "one license" system does not promote learning.

Why not? What License have you been working toward since you earned
Extra?

A "one license" system promotes stagnation and mediocrity. Look
what a "classless" society did to Central Europe for 70+ years.

Are you just begging for Len to come in here with his Hitler remarks?

You are an idiot!

As deftly pointed out by Jim, N2EY, the TRUE stagnation of the
Amateur Radio Service occured BEFORE Incentive Licensing.

Did not.

Was the way the FCC implemented it wrong? Sure it was. But the
system worked.

I asked if self-learning occurs after the Extra license is achieved.

Sure it does. And there are some cases where the licensee brings
his "self-learning" with him/her from an engineering
point-of-view...but thsoe folks are few and far between.

Give me a rational answer why it cannot occur after someone achieves a
license in a one-license system.

Can it occur? Sure it can.

Thank you. Finally an honest answer from one of you PCTA. I'll mark
my calendar.

Does it usually or routinely occur?
Nope.

Doesn't occur after Extra either. And ex-communicated Jim's proposal
was for all the pools to be combined, so it was the equavilant of
Extra.

So, in the end, you just don't know what you're talking about.

Now, here's one for YOU, Brain...cite for me some grand example
of "one size fits all and promotes learning" example from ANY aspect
of our society...One that can't be refuted at some level.

No.

I'll be waiting, but I won't be holding my breath.

Steve, K4YZ

Oh, please do.

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message om...
(Brian) wrote in message . com...
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Why You Don't Like The ARRL
From: (Brian)
Date: 12/26/03 3:01 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

How many amateur radio services do we really need? How many do you
really want?

One radio service with a TIERED license structure, Brain.

It is a "TIRED" radio structure. If you want Merit Badges, join the
BSA (or CAP). There is no need to have class distinctions between
hams artificially created by the FCC. Allow the ham to distinguish
himself or herself, based upon actual achievements.

It is only "tired" if you don't have the cajones to keep up,
Brain.

A little chest puffery?

Natch.

It's not about "class distinctions", unless that's all you fixate
on, Brain. It's about meeting the requirements of the Basis and
Purpose of Part 97, and meeting Congress' expectation that in return
for our generous allocations.

Did that a long time ago.

By the way, our allocations are by no means guaranteed. Too bad
people like you can't see past your own selfishness to see that.

Too bad people like you can't see it. Too busy being self-important.

Obviously you do not concur with the FCC's "Basis and Purpose" of the
Amateur Radio Service, espeically those that establish the service as one of
"self-training".

I do. -Espeically- "self-training." Obviously you believe that once
you obtain the "Amateur Extra" license that all learning must stop.
There is nothing more to be learned!

I don't know where you got that "obviously" stuff, Brain, except
to make it up.

I've very clearly stated on several occassions that my learning
curve didn't stop with my Extra.

Yet your climb up the ARS ladder did. Why, with a one license ARS
would learning stop???

Please stop being arrogant.

Rational argument is arrogance?

You couldn't be more wrong. Again.

I'm not the one who just made a very obvious assumption based
upon a personal prejudice, Brain.

State the assumption.

State the personal prejudice.

A "single license" concept does not support that premise, Brain.

It does. Unless you believe that once you obtain Amateur Extra that
all learning stops because there is nothing new to be learned.

Ok, MinnieLennie...Here again is yet another opportunity for you
to "show (me)up" by providing a quote FROM ME wherein I stated
anything even remotely like "...all learning stops with the Amateur
Extra test".

Why, if learning doesn't stop with the Amateur Extra exam, would it
stop with a one exam ARS?

This is a test in rational discussion. Do try your best to pass it.

A tiered one does.

No more than a one license ARS.

Then this proves you ignorant of the facts, Brain.

Enlighten me.

There is not a single aspect of our lives that suggests a
"one-size-fits-all" ANYTHING works, Brainless. Our educational
system, our society in general, religions, politics, etc.

Stebe, countless garments at the store claim "one size fits all."

Unless you can provide some tangible examples that contradict
that?

Pantyhose.

Was that too difficult for you?

Trying hard to keep your position at the top of the hill is sooo
transparent.

I don't have a hill to be on top of, Brain.

More like piled higher and deeper.

That you percieve that I do means you have an inferiorty problem
that keeps you in a subjugated position. Deal with it, Brain.

You're much easier to deal with.

Allow the ham to show the world his real achievements, not some
government supported and forced Merit Badge system of false
achievements.

You are truly lost, Brain....wrapped up in symbology, rhetoric
and the need to denigrate and demean anything you cannot or will not
endeavor to understand or accept.

Pity you.

The King of Denigration has spoken.

"WA3MOJ" wrote in message
...
In article , Mike Coslo
says...

WA3MOJ wrote:


Well I must be braindead too then.I hope that bpl comes to my town so I
can
afford something besides a dial up connection.

As long as you're satisfied with something that doesn't work!

- Mike

Clueless newbie.


Sorry, you are clueless. How about reading some of the information about
how crappy this BPL will be before inserting foot in your mouth?

You are either a total fool, or, and this is probably the case..... unworthy
of calling yourself a ham. Why you ask? because your a dumbass.

Dan/W4NTI