(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...

Stebe thinks that the "majority" of U.S. amateur radio activity
is above HF. That must mean that he never listens below 30
MHz. Probably true since all he can do is transmit over-
modulated shouting and hollering about close-order drill below
30 MHz. Hup too tree foah, ya lie, ya lie, ya lie.

Uhhhhh....nope.

And unfortunately for you, your lies ARE archived in this very
forum.

Sucks to be you, Leonard.

The ONLY way one can be "interested in radio" is to get a ham
license and be proficient in morse code...(SNIP)

Oh geeze...Here we go again.

Lennie, we're STILL waiting on you to cite the quotes wherein
you've established this opinion.

It's certainly not true in MY case, and just one more example of
how you feel free to take liberties with the truth.

....with extra gold stars
if one was once a member of da murine corpse. Doesn't hurt if
one was a purchasing agent for a small modem and set-top box
company in the "south" for a few months...that counts as "being
in radio engineering!"

And still more silliness.

I never claimed to be an engineer...But I did provide numerous
references from that job that proved you WRONG on numerous occassions.
I guess that had to hurt, knowing a "non-engineer" had access to
references that took a bite out of your rants...

Amateur radio FUN is only "ancilliary" to the U.S. amateur radio
SERVICE. Ham radio is all about wearing a Lifestyle mental
uniform, marching in ranks to the morse drumbeat of the 1930s,
and being ready, willing, able to "take over communications" when
all the commercial/professional infrastructure FAILS in an
emergency? That's the thoughts I see expressed in here.

Again with the "1930's" rant, Lennie?

And in any case your sleight's against Amateur Radio's PROVEN
track record of being able to provide the very emergency services you
claim as "ineffectual" or "irrelevent" are DISproven over and ovr,
even in the 21st Century.

There can be no fun in the ham SERVICE. It is all about duty,
dedication, close-order drill on the proper and correct jargon and
prosigns. [why the name "prosigns" when there is so much
hatred of the pros?] Hupp, too, tree, foah! Beep, beep, beep!

There's no "hatred" of the "pros", Lennie. Only PROlific liars
such as yourself. That you claim to have been a "radio" professional
is unfortuante.

It's a wonderful life.

Yes, it is. Too bad you'll die having not known exactly HOW
wonderful it is.

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays, Brian, all the best to you
and your family.

At least there was ONE person in this forum for you to exchange
greetings with. Good for you. No one should be alone for the
holidays. Even creeps like you, Lennie.

Steve, K4YZ

Brian wrote:
(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...

In article ,
(Brian) writes:


"KØHB" wrote in message
arthlink.net...

"Len Over 21" wrote


Anything said against YOUR PLAN is worthless, illogical,
inconsequential, irresponsible, irrelevant, etc., etc., etc.


I knew you'd agree with me.

73, de Hans, K0HB

I just happen to agree with Hans' plan. Allow the amateur to
distinguish him or herself through actions rather than an FCC forced
march.

While I agree on the generality of that, such is impossible under
the present-day Class Distinction Rules of US amateur radio.

ALL perceived expertise is judged by the "amateur community"
as demonstrated by the fancy-bordered license (suitable for
framing) from the federal government.

The Amateur Extra is the epitome of excellence. Once achieved,
nothing else need be learned. Education ends. You have been
told by his Most High Excellency, the Dill Instructor.

All learning comes through having tiers and tiers of classes, of
distinctions (enforced by law) right along with the social need of
call letters written behind the name to signify a "title" all may see
(and admire, respect) as if it is a dukedom, barony, or other
noble rank. That is VERY IMPORTANT. Do not criticize any
statements of the ruling classes of the "community."

US amateur radio seems to have ceased being a hobby, an
avocational activity done for personal recreation. It has become a
LIFESTYLE...a True Belief.

cut to stock shot of Rod Serling and signpost up ahead, voice
sign-off by Rod...up theme and take black...

LHA


And poor Mike is getting beat up for saying the W1AW signal was too wide.

It has to be me! 8^)

I've done enough post testing on this to be pretty sure that it isn't
me though.

The Waterfall screen in Digipan functions pretty nicely as a poor man's
analyzer. The signal was putting "crap" all over the place.

I wasn't the only person who noticed the problem.

I was not able to duplicate anything like the problem with the RTTY
contest, which had many strong signals, and should have been worse if my
reciever was overloading. I'm impressed with how nicely the old 745
performs.

The problem - whatever it was - was in the W1AW signal.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Mike,

It seems to me that the bandwidth calculations given for CW are based
on 'true' CW - that is, carrier on / off operation.

I wonder if W1AW pre-records their CW material in audio format, then
broadcasts it as a modulated SSB signal - would that not stretch the
signal bandwidth out considerably?

Anyone know if this might be the case?

73, Leo


On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 09:00:37 -0500, Mike Coslo wrote:

snip

It has to be me! 8^)

I've done enough post testing on this to be pretty sure that it isn't
me though.

The Waterfall screen in Digipan functions pretty nicely as a poor man's
analyzer. The signal was putting "crap" all over the place.

I wasn't the only person who noticed the problem.

I was not able to duplicate anything like the problem with the RTTY
contest, which had many strong signals, and should have been worse if my
reciever was overloading. I'm impressed with how nicely the old 745
performs.

The problem - whatever it was - was in the W1AW signal.

- Mike KB3EIA -

"KØHB" wrote in message thlink.net...
"N2EY" wrote


FCC or somebody would have to keep a
database of everyone who had held one and let it expire without upgrading,
to insure that someone wouldn't retest and get a second one.

No more than FCC or somebody kept a similar database to prevent ex-licensees
from glomming onto a Novice permit back in the 1950's.

I think people had more respect for the FCC and its R&R back then,
Hans. Just IMHO.

And i'm not "insisting" on it, just pointing out some of the possible
problems. I think the best solution might be to have it nonrenewable,
but if someone *really* wants another one, they can take the exam
again after the first one expires. Just a thought.

A false application
today is just as unlikely as a false application 50 years ago, and I suspect
the penalties are similar.

I hope you're right.

And why bother --- after 10 years of experience, the standard exam would be
a laugher.

That's what I thought back in 1968. I was amazed that there was so
much
moaning and groaning and complaining from *experienced* hams about
having to take another license test......

73 de Jim, N2EY

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message thlink.net...
"JEP" wrote:

(snip) Amateur Radio as a service is
gone. It is only self serving now. Not
a service but a high priced hobby.
After all, it is called the Amateur
Radio Service.


First, you're obviously confused about the word "service." In FCC
terminology, "service" refers to a group of frequencies meant to serve a
particular purpose for the users of those frequencies, not anything done by
the users of those frequencies. As a result, we have the Amateur Radio
Service, Radio Broadcast Services, Cable TV Relay Service, Maritime Service,
Personal Radio Services, Citizens Band Radio Service, Fixed Microwave
Services, and so on through a long list of other radio services. In other
words, the word "service" in Amateur Radio Service does not refer to any
"service" we might provide to others.

Second, you're completely wrong about "service" being gone within the
Amateur Radio community. Based on what I've seen, I'd estimate as much as
75% of the current operators are involved in some form of public service
related activity in any given year. Of course, the need for our help is
high, meaning even more should become involved, but that hardly suggests the
idea of service is gone today.

The newsgroups "rec.radio.shortwave" and "rec.radio.cb" were deleted from
this reply (off-topic in those newsgroups).


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

Service means just that. Broadcasters have to do public service to
keep broadcastings. Why do you think they do PSA's. No money involved,
they do it free. Amateur operators operate uder the same subset of
rules. If they don't provide a public service when called they have no
reason for being. You also would have to prove that 75% of the
amareurs provide a public service. Lets see, chasing DX, rag chewing
with Barny down the road and checking the weather outside. Yep, thats
sure public service-----NOT!

N2EY wrote:
"KØHB" wrote in message thlink.net...

"N2EY" wrote


FCC or somebody would have to keep a
database of everyone who had held one and let it expire without upgrading,
to insure that someone wouldn't retest and get a second one.

No more than FCC or somebody kept a similar database to prevent ex-licensees
from glomming onto a Novice permit back in the 1950's.


I think people had more respect for the FCC and its R&R back then,
Hans. Just IMHO.

And i'm not "insisting" on it, just pointing out some of the possible
problems. I think the best solution might be to have it nonrenewable,
but if someone *really* wants another one, they can take the exam
again after the first one expires. Just a thought.


A false application
today is just as unlikely as a false application 50 years ago, and I suspect
the penalties are similar.


I hope you're right.


And why bother --- after 10 years of experience, the standard exam would be
a laugher.


That's what I thought back in 1968. I was amazed that there was so
much
moaning and groaning and complaining from *experienced* hams about
having to take another license test......


Some might object to having to take and pay for another test. esp if
they are qrp operators.

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Mike Coslo" wrote


Some might object to having to take and pay for another test. esp if
they are qrp operators.


Yes, I can see where that would be an almost insurmountable problem among
cheapskate hams. After all, it works out to
$0.002739726027397260273972602739726 per day for the term of the license.
That's a HUGE number!

73, de Hans, K0HB

KØHB wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote


Some might object to having to take and pay for another test. esp if
they are qrp operators.



Yes, I can see where that would be an almost insurmountable problem among
cheapskate hams. After all, it works out to
$0.002739726027397260273972602739726 per day for the term of the license.
That's a HUGE number!

Some might have to take off from work to take the test. Some may have
to drive long distances to take it. I drove 70 miles each way for my
Tech license, and 150 each way for my General, I took the Element 1 in
my home town, and my Extra in a town 50 miles away, because they were on
dates that I could get away.

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Mike Coslo" wrote


Some might have to take off from work to take the test. Some may have
to drive long distances to take it. I drove 70 miles each way for my
Tech license, and 150 each way for my General, I took the Element 1 in
my home town, and my Extra in a town 50 miles away, because they were on
dates that I could get away.


Life's a bitch and then you die and they give your callsign away.

73, de Hans, K0HB

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...
(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...

That gives him absolute permission to behave as an asshole off the
radio. No problem.

Again with the profanities, Lennie?

Len, what's going on here?

There were no outrages when Hans just called someone an a-hole.