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"Jack Twilley" wrote in message ... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 "Dee" == Dee D Flint writes: Jack Hmm. Any chance you could provide some citations for these Jack "gentleman's agreements"? I do not doubt their existence, I'd Jack just like to find some online pointers to them. Recently I had Jack to ask around where to find some RTTY so I could test my setup Jack -- if I'd known about these agreements, I'd have a better chance Jack of finding it on my own. Also, I'd like to avoid accidentally Jack operating on a portion of the band which is traditionally for a Jack different type of mode -- I'm more likely to get a response from Jack a CW CQ if I'm not calling on the RTTY portion, etc. Dee www.arrl.org - The website has a page listing the basics The ARRL Dee Operating Manual Various ARRL publications on data modes and slow Dee scan TV For VHF/UHF, the ARRL repeater directory I was more interested in URLs to specific agreements. I've cruised through the website from time to time but I hadn't happened to see them. I lost my repeater directory in a car accident (how bizarre) otherwise I'd check the front of that. I'm more interested in HF, of course, so if you could point me to specific agreements, I'd be dearly appreciative. Stuff like "weak signal work is done here, beacons are done there, blah blah blah" are exactly what I'd like to keep posted in my shack, and this kind of information should be consolidated in a single source online. Dee Dee D. Flint, N8UZE I already referenced the web site of the ARRL. All you have to do is enter the words "band plan" in the box to search the site. Then scroll down until you see the listing for band plans. I will NOT do this for you. The type of information you seek is contained on the web page. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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On Thu, 27 May 2004 13:03:51 -0400, "Dee D. Flint"
wrote: I already referenced the web site of the ARRL. All you have to do is enter the words "band plan" in the box to search the site. Then scroll down until you see the listing for band plans. I will NOT do this for you. OK...then I will: AMATEUR FREQUENCY OPERATION RECOMMENDATIONS (ARRL Band Plans) Reprinted from "The Considerate Operator's Frequency Guide", January 1993 QST, page 61 and the ARRL Repeater Directory. Copyright 1993 by the American Radio Relay League, Inc. All rights reserved. This information is for quick reference only - refer to the band plan listings in the Operators Manual, The FCC Rule Book or the ARRL Repeater Directory for full details. For sharing arrangements, see Section 97.303 of the FCC Rules. For detailed packet frequencies, see QST, September 1987, page 54 and March 1988, page 51. 160 METERS (1.8-2.0 MHz): 1.800-1.830 CW, RTTY and other narrowband modes 1.830-1.840 CW, RTTY and other narrowband modes, Intercontinental QSOs only 1.840-1.850 CW, SSB, SSTV, other wideband modes, Intercontinental QSOs only 1.850-2.000 CW, phone, SSTV and other wideband modes 80 METERS (3.5-4.0 MHz): 40 METERS (7.0-7.3 MHz): 3.590 RTTY DX 7.040 RTTY DX 3.580-3.620 RTTY 7.080-7.100 RTTY 3.620-3.635 Packet 7.171 SSTV 3.790-3.800 DX window 7.290 AM 3.845 SSTV 3.885 AM calling frequency 30 METERS (10.1-10.15 MHz): 17 METERS (18.068-18.168 MHz): 10.130-10.140 RTTY 18.100-18.105 RTTY 10.140-10.150 Packet 18.105-18.110 Packet 20 METERS (14.0-14.35 MHz): 15 METERS (21.0-21.45 MHz): 14.070-14.095 RTTY 21.070-21.090 RTTY 14.095-14.0995 Packet 21.090-21.100 Packet 14.100 NCDXF Beacons 21.340 SSTV 14.1005-14.112 Packet 14.230 SSTV 12 METERS (24.89-24.99 MHz): 14.286 AM calling frequency 24.920-24.925 RTTY 24.925-24.930 Packet 10 METERS (28-29.7 MHz): 28.000-28.070 CW 28.070-28.150 RTTY 28.150-28.190 CW 28.190-28.200 New Beacon subband * 28.200-28.300 Old Beacon subband * 28.300-29.300 Phone 28.680 SSTV 29.000-29.200 AM 29.300-29.510 Satellite Downlinks 29.510-29.590 Repeater Inputs 29.600 FM Simplex 29.610-29.700 Repeater Outputs * Note: The FCC states in 97.203(d) that automatically controlled beacons may only operate on 28.20-28.30 MHz. 6 METERS (50-54 MHz): 50.0-50.1 CW, beacons 50.060-50.080 beacon subband 50.1-50.3 SSB, CW 50.10-50.125 DX window 50.125 SSB calling 50.3-50.6 All modes 50.6-50.8 Nonvoice communications 50.62 Digital (packet) calling 50.8-51.0 Radio remote control (20-kHz channels) 51.0-51.1 Pacific DX window 51.12-51.48 Repeater inputs (19 channels) 51.12-51.18 Digital repeater inputs 51.62-51.98 Repeater outputs (19 channels) 51.62-51.68 Digital repeater outputs 52.0-52.48 Repeater inputs (except as noted; 23 channels) 52.02, 52.04 FM simplex 52.2 TEST PAIR (input) 52.5-52.98 Repeater output (except as noted; 23 channels) 52.525 Primary FM simplex 52.54 Secondary FM simplex 52.7 TEST PAIR (output) 53.0-53.48 Repeater inputs (except as noted; 19 channels) 53.0 Remote base FM simplex 53.02 Simplex 53.1, 53.2, Radio remote control 53.3, 53.4 53.5-53.98 Repeater outputs (except as noted; 19 channels) 53.5, 53.6, Radio remote control 53.7, 53.8 53.52-53.9 Simplex Note: The 6-meter band plan was adopted by the ARRL Board of Directors at the July 1991 meeting. The band plan is currently being studied by the ARRL Ad Hoc Spectrum Management Committee. 2 METERS (144-148 MHz): 144.00-144.05 EME (CW) 144.05-144.10 General CW and weak signals 144.10-144.20 EME and weak-signal SSB 144.200 National calling frequency 144.200-144.275 General SSB operation 144.275-144.300 Propagation beacons 144.30-144.50 New OSCAR subband 144.50-144.60 Linear translator inputs 144.60-144.90 FM repeater inputs 144.90-145.10 Weak signal and FM simplex (145.01,03,05,07,09 are widely used for packet) 145.10-145.20 Linear translator ouputs 145.20-145.50 FM repeater outputs 145.50-145.80 Miscellaneous and experimental modes 145.80-146.00 OSCAR subband 146.01-147.37 Repeater inputs 146.40-146.58 Simplex 146.61-146.97 Repeater outputs 147.00-147.39 Repeater outputs 147.42-147.57 Simplex 147.60-147.99 Repeater inputs Notes: The frequency 146.40 MHz is used in some areas as a repeater input. This band plan has been proposed by the ARRL VHF-UHF Advisory Committee. 1.25 METERS (222-225 MHz): 222.0-222.150 Weak-signal modes 222.0-222.025 EME 222.05-222.06 Propagation beacons 222.1 SSB & CW calling frequency 222.10-222.15 Weak-signal CW & SSB 222.15-222.25 Local coordinator's option; weak signal, ACSB, repeater inputs, control 222.25-223.38 FM repeater inputs only 222.40-223.52 FM simplex 223.52-223.64 Digital, packet 223.64-223.70 Links, control 223.71-223.85 Local coordinator's option; FM simplex, packet, repeater outputs 223.85-224.98 Repeater outputa only Note: The 222 MHz band plan was adopted by the ARRL Board of Directors in July 1991. 70 CENTIMETERS (420-450 MHz): 420.00-426.00 ATV repeater or simplex with 421.25 MHz video carrier control links and experimental 426.00-432.00 ATV simplex with 427.250-MHz video carrier frequency 432.00-432.07 EME (Earth-Moon-Earth) 432.07-432.10 Weak-signal CW 432.10 70-cm calling frequency 432.10-432.30 Mixed-mode and weak-signal work 432.30-432.40 Propagation beacons 432.40-433.00 Mixed-mode and weak-signal work 433.00-435.00 Auxiliary/repeater links 435.00-438.00 Satellite only (internationally) 438.00-444.00 ATV repeater input with 439.250-MHz video carrier frequency and repeater links 442.00-445.00 Repeater inputs and outputs (local option) 445.00-447.00 Shared by auxiliary and control links, repeaters and simplex (local option) 446.00 National simplex frequency 447.00-450.00 Repeater inputs and outputs (local option) Note: The 440 MHz band plan is under review by the ARRL VHF-UHF Advisory Committee 33 CENTIMETERS (902-928 MHz): 902.0-903.0 Narrow-bandwidth, weak-signal communications 902.0-902.8 SSTV, FAX, ACSSB, experimental 902.1 Weak-signal calling frequency 902.8-903.0 Reserved for EME, CW expansion 903.1 Alternate calling frequency 903.0-906.0 Digital communications 906-909 FM repeater outputs 909-915 ATV 915-918 Digital communications 918-921 FM repeater inputs 921-927 ATV 927-928 FM simplex and links Note: The 902 MHz band plan was adopted by the ARRL Board of Directors in July 1989 23 CENTIMETERS (1240-1300 MHz): 1240-1246 ATV #1 1246-1248 Narrow-bandwidth FM point-to-point links and digital, duplex with 1258-1260. 1248-1258 Digital Communications 1252-1258 ATV #2 1258-1260 Narrow-bandwidth FM point-to-point links and digital, duplexed with 1246-1252 1260-1270 Satellite uplinks, reference WARC '79 1260-1270 Wide-bandwidth experimental, simplex ATV 1270-1276 Repeater inputs, FM and linear, paired with 1282-1288, 239 pairs every 25 kHz, eg 1270.025, .050, etc. 1271-1283 Non-coordinated test pair 1276-1282 ATV #3 1282-1288 Repeater outputs, paired with 1270-1276 1288-1294 Wide-bandwidth experimental, simplex ATV 1294-1295 Narrow-bandwidth FM simplex services, 25-kHz channels 1294.5 National FM simplex calling frequency 1295-1297 Narrow bandwidth weak-signal communications (no FM) 1295.0-1295.8 SSTV, FAX, ACSSB, experimental 1295.8-1296.0 Reserved for EME, CW expansion 1296.00-1296.05 EME-exclusive 1296.07-1296.08 CW beacons 1296.1 CW, SSB calling frequency 1296.4-1296.6 Crossband linear translator input 1296.6-1296.8 Crossband linear translator output 1296.8-1297.0 Experimental beacons (exclusive) 1297-1300 Digital Communications 2300-2310 and 2390-2450 MHz: 2300.0-2303.0 High-rate data 2303.0-2303.5 Packet 2303.5-2303.8 TTY packet 2303.9-2303.9 Packet, TTY, CW, EME 2303.9-2304.1 CW, EME 2304.1 Calling frequency 2304.1-2304.2 CW, EME, SSB 2304.2-2304.3 SSB, SSTV, FAX, Packet AM, Amtor 2304.30-2304.32 Propagation beacon network 2304.32-2304.40 General propagation beacons 2304.4-2304.5 SSB, SSTV, ACSSB, FAX, Packet AM, Amtor experimental 2304.5-2304.7 Crossband linear translator input 2304.7-2304.9 Crossband linear translator output 2304.9-2305.0 Experimental beacons 2305.0-2305.2 FM simplex (25 kHz spacing) 2305.20 FM simplex calling frequency 2305.2-2306.0 FM simplex (25 kHz spacing) 2306.0-2309.0 FM Repeaters (25 kHz) input 2309.0-2310.0 Control and auxiliary links 2390.0-2396.0 Fast-scan TV 2396.0-2399.0 High-rate data 2399.0-2399.5 Packet 2399.5-2400.0 Control and auxiliary links 2400.0-2403.0 Satellite 2403.0-2408.0 Satellite high-rate data 2408.0-2410.0 Satellite 2410.0-2413.0 FM repeaters (25 kHz) output 2413.0-2418.0 High-rate data 2418.0-2430.0 Fast-scan TV 2430.0-2433.0 Satellite 2433.0-2438.0 Satellite high-rate data 2438.0-2450.0 WB FM, FSTV, FMTV, SS experimental Note: The 2300 MHz band plan was adopted by the ARRL Board of Directors in January 1991 Note: The following band plans were adopted by the ARRL Board of Directors in July 1988 3300-3500 MHz: 3456.3-3456.4 Propagation beacons 5650-5925 MHz: 5760.3-5760.4 Propagation beacons 10.00-10.50 GHz: 10.368 Narrow band calling frequency 10.3683-10.3684 Propagation beacons 10.3640 Calling frequency All modes and licensees (except Novices) are authorized on the following bands: 24.0-24.25 GHz 165.0-170.0 48.0-50.0 240.0-250.0 71.0-76.0 All above 300 The ARRL members and HQ staff would like to thank the following people for their contributions to this information file: K1CE WB8IMY NU0X Send any additional information or changes to . 73 from ARRL HQ. 73 DE John D. Kasupski, KC2HMZ Tonawanda, New York, USA ARRL Western New York PIO |
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Hash: SHA1 Thank you for the useful information. Out of curiosity, do you know how these agreements came about, and who agreed to what? Is this something the ARRL just announced one day, or did these band plans arise out of years of usage clustering, or what? I figure you might know, considering your position in the organization, or at least you'd be able to find out. :-) Thanks again. Jack. - -- Jack Twilley jmt at twilley dot org http colon slash slash www dot twilley dot org slash tilde jmt slash -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAtuY3GPFSfAB/ezgRAo1UAJ9oIKCGVAE8qs26jUrmVzSHtq/7UACfRmNg XbrP/dBWjW/1EstdC21rp3k= =ulCL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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"Radio Amateur KC2HMZ" wrote in message ... On Thu, 27 May 2004 13:03:51 -0400, "Dee D. Flint" wrote: I already referenced the web site of the ARRL. All you have to do is enter the words "band plan" in the box to search the site. Then scroll down until you see the listing for band plans. I will NOT do this for you. OK...then I will: AMATEUR FREQUENCY OPERATION RECOMMENDATIONS (ARRL Band Plans) [snip] It's never a good idea to do a student's homework for them. It leads to laziness and dependency on other people for info that is easily found by checking basic references.. I'd already referenced the site and documentation he needed to check previously. Then I gave specific instructions on how to find the info. That is all that should have been required. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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Hash: SHA1 "Dee" == Dee D Flint writes: Dee I already referenced the web site of the ARRL. All you have to Dee do is enter the words "band plan" in the box to search the site. Dee Then scroll down until you see the listing for band plans. I Dee will NOT do this for you. KC2HMZ OK...then I will: KC2HMZ KC2HMZ AMATEUR FREQUENCY OPERATION RECOMMENDATIONS (ARRL Band Plans) KC2HMZ KC2HMZ [snip] Dee It's never a good idea to do a student's homework for them. Attempting to answer a question in a condescending manner (and failing to answer the question correctly) does not imply a teacher-student relationship. Frankly, it's not clear to me that you have the capability to build or maintain such a relationship, based on what I've seen here. That's neither here nor there, however. Dee It leads to laziness and dependency on other people for info that Dee is easily found by checking basic references.. I'd already Dee referenced the site and documentation he needed to check Dee previously. Then I gave specific instructions on how to find the Dee info. That is all that should have been required. You spent a thousand characters where twenty would have been acceptable. In fact, both you and KC2HMZ gave me information on "the band plans", not "the gentleman's agreements", which was the specific bit I asked about, repeatedly. It's not just "where can I find RTTY traffic?", it's "why is RTTY found there" that interests me the most. You were so lost in your sophistry that you lost sight of the actual question being asked. Reread the original question I posed, your response, my response which included a restating of the original question, and your second response, and honestly tell me what you were trying to accomplish. Now, if you have any information about the gentleman's agreements that led to the band plans, please, share with me and the others. I am interested in the actual content you may be able to provide, but I have no patience for attitude or condescension. The last thing I need is someone trying to teach me to fish when my question concerns how night-crawlers on barbed hooks became the approach of choice. Dee Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Jack. - -- Jack Twilley jmt at twilley dot org http colon slash slash www dot twilley dot org slash tilde jmt slash -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAt3BrGPFSfAB/ezgRAtqpAJ4rLC4EORt2obdbtbkXi+XWE07ocACgjKfW LhWllQXbLD0WlygMr8hsGbU= =Lj+y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: CW Testing Question From: "Dee D. Flint" Date: 5/28/2004 9:56 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: "Radio Amateur KC2HMZ" wrote in message . .. On Thu, 27 May 2004 13:03:51 -0400, "Dee D. Flint" wrote: I already referenced the web site of the ARRL. All you have to do is enter the words "band plan" in the box to search the site. Then scroll down until you see the listing for band plans. I will NOT do this for you. OK...then I will: AMATEUR FREQUENCY OPERATION RECOMMENDATIONS (ARRL Band Plans) [snip] It's never a good idea to do a student's homework for them. It leads to laziness and dependency on other people for info that is easily found by checking basic references.. I'd already referenced the site and documentation he needed to check previously. Then I gave specific instructions on how to find the info. That is all that should have been required. Although not a regular in this forum (any more, any way) John is well known in various CB radio and scanner NG's, usually for his overwhelming desire to be king of the hill and lack of regard for how he gets there. Tsk, tsk, tsk...looking in the mirror again? :-) His "debating" techniques have cost him a couple of ISP's, I understand, and got him in trouble with local law enforcement. He was also listowner of a fairly well populated Yahoo group that went ka-put due to his escapades. Remember who manufactured a very libelous "home page" on AOL? Lasted for all of three days before AOL removed it. Nearly removed nursie from its subscribers, too. :-) As you can see, Dee, he's got a bit of the same "See, I Know More Than You" streak in him that Lennie has... Poor baby. Nursie has to understand that MANY know more than he does. :-) There's the "MARS is amateur radio" claim...which remains just a claim since the DoD defines MARS, not the FCC or ARRL. No one goes to as great lengths as the gunnery nurse in trying to damn others. Nursie DOES have top honors in that. :-) LHA / WMD |
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Subject: CW Testing Question
From: (Len Over 21) Date: 5/28/2004 3:04 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: Although not a regular in this forum (any more, any way) John is well known in various CB radio and scanner NG's, usually for his overwhelming desire to be king of the hill and lack of regard for how he gets there. Tsk, tsk, tsk...looking in the mirror again? Nope. Remember who manufactured a very libelous "home page" on AOL? No one I know, Lennie. If somethings true, it's not libelous. You are a lair. You DID misrepresent your intentions with an e-mail that contained OTHER than what you attested to it being. Lasted for all of three days before AOL removed it. Nearly removed nursie from its subscribers, too. That's OK. It wouldn't have lasted too long. That's what lawyers are for. As you can see, Dee, he's got a bit of the same "See, I Know More Than You" streak in him that Lennie has... Poor baby. Nursie has to understand that MANY know more than he does. No doubt. But when it comes to Amateur Radio, I DO know more than YOU, Lennie! And that's ALL that counts! There's the "MARS is amateur radio" claim...which remains just a claim since the DoD defines MARS, not the FCC or ARRL. No Amateur Radio = No MARS. No one goes to as great lengths as the gunnery nurse in trying to damn others. Nursie DOES have top honors in that. Just you, Lennie. The others "damn" themselves. Steve, K4YZ |
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Subject: CW Testing Question
From: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) Date: 5/28/2004 4:13 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: Subject: CW Testing Question From: (Len Over 21) Date: 5/28/2004 3:04 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: Although not a regular in this forum (any more, any way) John is well known in various CB radio and scanner NG's, usually for his overwhelming desire to be king of the hill and lack of regard for how he gets there. Tsk, tsk, tsk...looking in the mirror again? Nope. Remember who manufactured a very libelous "home page" on AOL? No one I know, Lennie. If somethings true, it's not libelous. You are a lair Ooops! TYPO ! But it doesn't change anything...You ARE a L I A R...! Steve, K4YZ |
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In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: CW Testing Question From: (Len Over 21) Date: 5/28/2004 3:04 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: Although not a regular in this forum (any more, any way) John is well known in various CB radio and scanner NG's, usually for his overwhelming desire to be king of the hill and lack of regard for how he gets there. Tsk, tsk, tsk...looking in the mirror again? Nope. Remember who manufactured a very libelous "home page" on AOL? No one I know, Lennie. If somethings true, it's not libelous. AOL thought it was VERY libelous and cancelled that alternate screen name you used then. You went ballistic on that "home page" and were clearly deep into libelous personal attack. AOL concurred. You are a lair. A "lair?!?" :-) Do you imagine yourself in some sort of jungle surrounded by carnivorous animals? :-) You DID misrepresent your intentions with an e-mail that contained OTHER than what you attested to it being. Poor baby. A simple mistake and you go BALLISTIC! :-) As you can see, Dee, he's got a bit of the same "See, I Know More Than You" streak in him that Lennie has... Poor baby. Nursie has to understand that MANY know more than he does. No doubt. But when it comes to Amateur Radio, I DO know more than YOU, Lennie! Actually no. You still can't read Part 97 clearly and you were unable to post references for MARS documents. :-) And that's ALL that counts! Only on your mythical amateur Fantasy Island. :-) There's the "MARS is amateur radio" claim...which remains just a claim since the DoD defines MARS, not the FCC or ARRL. No Amateur Radio = No MARS. Still incorrect. MARS is MILITARY, not civilian. Haven't you understood that yet? Just read DoD Directive 4650.2 and then USN-USMC Communication Instruction NTP 8(C). MARS can and does function solely with military personnel. It's nice that amateurs have volunteered to help in MARS, but MARS is a MILITARY radio service. By definition. LHA / WMD |
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