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In article , Mike Coslo
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William wrote:
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William wrote:

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In article ,

(Brian Kelly) writes:

Mike Coslo wrote in message
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And that "left turn is who the "reformed commies" endorse for Prez!

Yep.

Social Democrats.

Talk
about off off topic! Ooop! Not allowed to say PCTA are off topic.
My bad. So sorry.

What the heck, Brian? If you post something, and someone disagrees with
it, is THAT what you mean by not being allowed to have a different opinion?

I think that's exactly what "William" and "Lenover21" mean, Mike. If you
express a different opinion, they think you're saying they cannot have their
own.

When you tell someone that their opinions are invalid based upon
whether they hold an amateur radio license, then that is exactly what
you are doing. Have you ever done that Jim?

It's even worse, if you prove that their opinion isn't based on facts....

I especially liked your factoid where "a morse code exam acts as a
barrier to morse code use." That was a gem. And I didn't even argue
with it because it's true enough. But you argued with it.

Then there is my all time favorite, uttered by Steve, "Sorry Hans,
MARS IS Amateur Radio!" Steve's been backpedalling ever since.

I kind of thought that was what we were here for.

Me too.

Me too.

As for off topic, yourself and are the ones
complaining of messages being off topic.

Yep. Even though they go off topic even more.

Please allow me to set the record straight. You PCTA are constantly
on Len for bringing up radio related experiences, but since they were
not precisely amateur experiences, you have told him that he is off
topic. So when you stray to space exploration, B&W movies, bad math,
and lust for movie stars, he beats you over the head with your very
own "Off Topic" drum.

And you hate it.

C'mon, you are starting to sound like a "victim".

Precisely.

Imprecisely.

Sorry, didn't mean to give that impression. It was supposed to be
tongue-in-cheek, but my keyboard emoticons are lacking.

Dang-it, there's that victim trap again! ;^)

See?

Are you emoticon blind?

As a conservative, I can tell you that you don't have to be a victim.
You are responsible for your actions, and don't have to be a victim.
Once you do that, your life will take on new meaning, with unlimited
possibilities opening up that were denied you by the liberal's "victim
trap"

You mean like folks who blame all the problems of the ARS on the code test?

Who are those people? Name them.

I blame the problems of the ARS on the following, in order of
importance:

Amateurs, ARRL, FCC, Morse Code Exam.

Reminds me of the "parade of victims" that NPR features each day.

When?

Daily.

I listen to NPR frequently, and I've not heard any such "parade".

Not a parade in the usual sense. But day after day NPR features
someone or some group with problems that only the government will be
able to solve.

I never realized that we had so many problems until I started
listening to NPR. Then I realized that most of those people with
problems would not have problems if they had stayed in school, didn't
have sex out of wedlock, tried to raise children as a single, one
earning or no earning parent, ...

Why does George Bush continue to fund those idiots?

For the same reasons outfits like Halliburton are funded?

Please name the other outfit(s) that can compete with Halliburton.

Please explain why Clinton gave Halliburton a No-Bid contract when
Clinton attacked Bosnia?

NPR gets less and less gvt funding every year. 65 percent private/35
percent public

Yep.

There is a downside to that though. When Newt ad his buds originally
started the pull the pursetrings on NPR, the idea was that they would
melt and go away like the wicked witch of the west after getting doused
by Dorothy.

Is that the Newt whose treatment of his former spouse wasn't exactly in line
with "family values"?

I believe so.

Or the Newt whose intercepted cell phone conversation wasn't exactly G rated?

Could have been. Whatever happened to that couple that intercepted
the cell phone call?

They didn't - they thrived, adapting to the new situation.

Fascinating!

They keep having fund raisers. Fine. That leaves them less time to
spread their socialist ideology.

As they
receive less and less government funding, they have more and more
autonomy. At this point I would assume that they enjoy the money that
they still get from the gvt

And that is the downside - less control.

I don't see journalistic freedom as a downside. Perhaps some people would
prefer that all broadcasting be like Fox - a cheerleader for the administration
currently in power.

That is such an interesting statement.

Fox News is a relatively new news outlet in the grand scheme of
things. And they have set themselves apart; I believe that you called
it "journalistic freedom." Gosh, how awful and how successful!

Remember though, that many of the traditional news outlets have an
agenda which favors Democrats. Recall that CBS initially got the
Prisoner Abuse photos, and wouldn't run it themselves. They instead
gave the photos to Al Jazeer to run first then they ran it. Then
you've got the Dan Rather doctored documents. Why are these guys
trying so hard to damage the president and America?

Finally, I'd like to take issue with your use of the term
"broadcasting." I do not have cable or satellite television. I do
not see Fox News. Nor do I see CNN. So broadcasting it is not.

I do have ABC, CBS, NBC, and PBS broadcasts. Two are decidedly
socialist and/or anti-American.

I actually get my news from NPR and Reuters now.

I've done NPR and PBS for years. Best broadcasting in the USA, bar none.

NPR is details oriented, and I like that. I get to learn a lot about
the socialist viewpoint.

Despite NPR's middle
to left perspective, they actually report so much more than the other
organizations - Network news sucks, CNN is weird, and Fox News is great
if you are a Pub that only wants to hear news that agrees with your
world view.

I find the whole NPR/PBS viewpoint to be all over the map - left, right,
center, whatever.

I don't.

IOW, well rounded and balanced. But I can see where some
folks would be annoyed by hearing things that are not complimentary to the
current administration - whoever it is.

I tire of the constant din of government solutions to everyone's
problems.

---

One thing I find interesting, though, is the upscale drift of the PBS DIY
shows. Seems to me that "This Old House" and "Hometime" used to be mostly about
regular middle-class folks fixing up their homes themselves. But in recent
seasons, it's become more and more about monster projects in exotic or upscale
locations, using top-of-the-line products. And most of the work is done by
contractors, not homeowners.

73 de Jim, N2EY

"Worst Economy in Fifty Years!"

Hi!

"William" wrote


I blame the problems of the ARS on the following, .......



Problems? What problems, Brian? I've been a ham for 46 years and
amateur radio just keeps getting better and better! There are more hams
than ever, we have more frequencies than ever, we have more ways to
operate then ever, the regulations are less restrictive than they've
been since the 1920's, there are more new technologies to explore than
ever, and the outlook is for even more of the same.

Problems? Hardly!

73, de Hans, K0HB

Subject: How ya gonna vote Comrade?
From: "KØHB"
Date: 10/31/2004 8:49 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id: k.net


"William" wrote


I blame the problems of the ARS on the following, .......



Problems? What problems, Brian? I've been a ham for 46 years and
amateur radio just keeps getting better and better! There are more hams
than ever, we have more frequencies than ever, we have more ways to
operate then ever, the regulations are less restrictive than they've
been since the 1920's, there are more new technologies to explore than
ever, and the outlook is for even more of the same.

Problems? Hardly!

There's always "problems" when all you're looking for is trouble.

73

Steve, K4YZ

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: How ya gonna vote Comrade?
From: "KØHB"
Date: 10/31/2004 8:49 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id: k.net


"William" wrote


I blame the problems of the ARS on the following, .......



Problems? What problems, Brian? I've been a ham for 46 years and
amateur radio just keeps getting better and better! There are more hams
than ever, we have more frequencies than ever, we have more ways to
operate then ever, the regulations are less restrictive than they've
been since the 1920's, there are more new technologies to explore than
ever, and the outlook is for even more of the same.

Problems? Hardly!

There's always "problems" when all you're looking for is trouble.

73

Steve, K4YZ

Especially when you go shooting off your mouth, trouble is sure to follow.

You said so yourself.

Subject: How ya gonna vote Comrade?
From: (William)
Date: 10/31/2004 9:13 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: How ya gonna vote Comrade?
From: "KØHB"
Date: 10/31/2004 8:49 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id: k.net


"William" wrote


I blame the problems of the ARS on the following, .......



Problems? What problems, Brian? I've been a ham for 46 years and
amateur radio just keeps getting better and better! There are more hams
than ever, we have more frequencies than ever, we have more ways to
operate then ever, the regulations are less restrictive than they've
been since the 1920's, there are more new technologies to explore than
ever, and the outlook is for even more of the same.

Problems? Hardly!

There's always "problems" when all you're looking for is trouble.

73

Steve, K4YZ

Especially when you go shooting off your mouth, trouble is sure to follow.

You said so yourself.

You're absolutely right.

I said it about you.

It's still true. You're still a liar.

Steve, K4YZ

In article k.net, "KØHB"
writes:

"William" wrote

I blame the problems of the ARS on the following, .......

Problems? What problems, Brian? I've been a ham for 46 years and
amateur radio just keeps getting better and better!

Y'know, you've got a point there, Hans!

There are more hams
than ever, we have more frequencies than ever, we have more ways to
operate then ever, the regulations are less restrictive than they've
been since the 1920's, there are more new technologies to explore than
ever, and the outlook is for even more of the same.

All true! *And*, we still retain almost all of what we had in the past. If
someone wants to use, say, 1950s equipment, they can do so in almost all cases.
In fact, that's true all the way back to about the 1920s.

The rest of the world is slowly getting 40 meters doubled..

Problems? Hardly!

A couple of things like BPL, sure, but not the end of the world.

73 de Jim, N2EY

PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article k.net, "KØHB"
writes:

"William" wrote

I blame the problems of the ARS on the following, .......

Problems? What problems, Brian? I've been a ham for 46 years and
amateur radio just keeps getting better and better!

Y'know, you've got a point there, Hans!

There are more hams
than ever, we have more frequencies than ever, we have more ways to
operate then ever, the regulations are less restrictive than they've
been since the 1920's, there are more new technologies to explore than
ever, and the outlook is for even more of the same.

All true! *And*, we still retain almost all of what we had in the past. If
someone wants to use, say, 1950s equipment, they can do so in almost all cases.
In fact, that's true all the way back to about the 1920s.

The rest of the world is slowly getting 40 meters doubled..

Problems? Hardly!

A couple of things like BPL, sure, but not the end of the world.

73 de Jim, N2EY

I recall you claiming that we needed more not fewer license classes,
and 13 and 20 wpm code exams.

And BPL is such a minor thing...

I must have got it wrong again. Hi!

William wrote:

PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article k.net, "KØHB"
writes:

"William" wrote

I blame the problems of the ARS on the following, .......

Problems? What problems, Brian? I've been a ham for 46 years and
amateur radio just keeps getting better and better!

Y'know, you've got a point there, Hans!

There are more hams
than ever, we have more frequencies than ever, we have more ways to
operate then ever, the regulations are less restrictive than they've
been since the 1920's, there are more new technologies to explore than
ever, and the outlook is for even more of the same.

All true! *And*, we still retain almost all of what we had in the past. If
someone wants to use, say, 1950s equipment, they can do so in almost all cases.
In fact, that's true all the way back to about the 1920s.

The rest of the world is slowly getting 40 meters doubled..

Problems? Hardly!

A couple of things like BPL, sure, but not the end of the world.

73 de Jim, N2EY

I recall you claiming that we needed more not fewer license classes,
and 13 and 20 wpm code exams.

And BPL is such a minor thing...

I must have got it wrong again. Hi!

You must have, "William". There is serious talk of an entry level
license. That'd be one more than we have now. Getting rid of the
Novice license was a serious mistake. What was needed was a revision of
Novice privileges.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article k.net, "KØHB"
writes:

"William" wrote

I blame the problems of the ARS on the following, .......

Problems? What problems, Brian? I've been a ham for 46 years and
amateur radio just keeps getting better and better!

Y'know, you've got a point there, Hans!

There are more hams
than ever, we have more frequencies than ever, we have more ways to
operate then ever, the regulations are less restrictive than they've
been since the 1920's, there are more new technologies to explore than
ever, and the outlook is for even more of the same.

All true! *And*, we still retain almost all of what we had in the past. If
someone wants to use, say, 1950s equipment, they can do so in almost all cases.
In fact, that's true all the way back to about the 1920s.

The rest of the world is slowly getting 40 meters doubled..

Problems? Hardly!

A couple of things like BPL, sure, but not the end of the world.

73 de Jim, N2EY

I recall you claiming that we needed more not fewer license classes,
and 13 and 20 wpm code exams.

And BPL is such a minor thing...

I must have got it wrong again. Hi!

You must have, "William". There is serious talk of an entry level
license. That'd be one more than we have now.

Hmmm? And 1 less than we had when he made his complaint.

Getting rid of the
Novice license was a serious mistake. What was needed was a revision of
Novice privileges.

Dave K8MN

And it appears that even you have a complaint wrt the amateur service.
My goodness, just after Jim says everything is rosey!

Jim tries to take an opposite position from me, just because it was me
who said it. Typical bad attitude Extra.

Anyway Dave, I agree with you (and Hans) that we need a legitimate
entry level license. bb

William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article k.net, "KØHB"
writes:

"William" wrote

I blame the problems of the ARS on the following, .......

Problems? What problems, Brian? I've been a ham for 46 years and
amateur radio just keeps getting better and better!

Y'know, you've got a point there, Hans!

There are more hams
than ever, we have more frequencies than ever, we have more ways to
operate then ever, the regulations are less restrictive than they've
been since the 1920's, there are more new technologies to explore than
ever, and the outlook is for even more of the same.

All true! *And*, we still retain almost all of what we had in the past. If
someone wants to use, say, 1950s equipment, they can do so in almost all cases.
In fact, that's true all the way back to about the 1920s.

The rest of the world is slowly getting 40 meters doubled..

Problems? Hardly!

A couple of things like BPL, sure, but not the end of the world.

73 de Jim, N2EY

I recall you claiming that we needed more not fewer license classes,
and 13 and 20 wpm code exams.

And BPL is such a minor thing...

I must have got it wrong again. Hi!

You must have, "William". There is serious talk of an entry level
license. That'd be one more than we have now.

Hmmm? And 1 less than we had when he made his complaint.

Hmmmm...a trend in the direction of Jim's idea.

Getting rid of the
Novice license was a serious mistake. What was needed was a revision of
Novice privileges.

And it appears that even you have a complaint wrt the amateur service.
My goodness, just after Jim says everything is rosey!

....and it appears that the "William"-mobile can only go to the left or
right at ninety degree angles. That makes taking life's curves really
tough. Maybe you thought Jim and I carefully aligned our positions
before posting. We do have a really good system. Jim posts what he
believes and I post what I believe.

Jim tries to take an opposite position from me, just because it was me
who said it.

Is that what you really believe?

Typical bad attitude Extra.

Bad attitude Extra=anyone who doesn't go along with you.

I don't find you typical of General Class licensees. Would you care to
put forth any additional sweeping generalities?

Anyway Dave, I agree with you (and Hans) that we need a legitimate
entry level license. bb

Congrats on partial enlightenment.

Dave K8MN