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October 29th 04, 01:42 AM
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KØHB wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...ia_us_election WTF is all this political crapola suddenly doing on rrap. Next thing you know we'll be arguing about whether the democraps or the republicannots were responsible for the sinking of the Titanic, and whether CW could have saved the WTC. Just that I was a little shocked when I saw who was backing the guy. Strange days, eh? Good to see people of opposing ideologies getting along, isn't it? Possibly even Len and Steve? (ducking for cover) 8^) - Mike KB3EIA - |
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October 29th 04, 03:05 PM
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Mike Coslo wrote in message ...
KØHB wrote: "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...ia_us_election WTF is all this political crapola suddenly doing on rrap. Next thing you know we'll be arguing about whether the democraps or the republicannots were responsible for the sinking of the Titanic, and whether CW could have saved the WTC. Just that I was a little shocked when I saw who was backing the guy. Strange days, eh? Good to see people of opposing ideologies getting along, isn't it? Possibly even Len and Steve? (ducking for cover) 8^) - Mike KB3EIA - Who knows? With proper treatment, Steve just might be a likeable guy. |
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October 29th 04, 10:06 PM
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October 30th 04, 05:21 PM
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In article , Mike Coslo
writes: William wrote: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... William wrote: (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...re_eu/russia_u s_election And that "left turn is who the "reformed commies" endorse for Prez! Yep. Talk about off off topic! Ooop! Not allowed to say PCTA are off topic. My bad. So sorry. What the heck, Brian? If you post something, and someone disagrees with it, is THAT what you mean by not being allowed to have a different opinion? I think that's exactly what "William" and "Lenover21" mean, Mike. If you express a different opinion, they think you're saying they cannot have their own. It's even worse, if you prove that their opinion isn't based on facts.... I kind of thought that was what we were here for. Me too. As for off topic, yourself and are the ones complaining of messages being off topic. Yep. Even though they go off topic even more. C'mon, you are starting to sound like a "victim". Precisely. Sorry, didn't mean to give that impression. It was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek, but my keyboard emoticons are lacking. Dang-it, there's that victim trap again! ;^) See? As a conservative, I can tell you that you don't have to be a victim. You are responsible for your actions, and don't have to be a victim. Once you do that, your life will take on new meaning, with unlimited possibilities opening up that were denied you by the liberal's "victim trap" You mean like folks who blame all the problems of the ARS on the code test? Reminds me of the "parade of victims" that NPR features each day. When? I listen to NPR frequently, and I've not heard any such "parade". Why does George Bush continue to fund those idiots? For the same reasons outfits like Halliburton are funded? NPR gets less and less gvt funding every year. 65 percent private/35 percent public Yep. There is a downside to that though. When Newt ad his buds originally started the pull the pursetrings on NPR, the idea was that they would melt and go away like the wicked witch of the west after getting doused by Dorothy. Is that the Newt whose treatment of his former spouse wasn't exactly in line with "family values"? Or the Newt whose intercepted cell phone conversation wasn't exactly G rated? They didn't - they thrived, adapting to the new situation. Fascinating! As they receive less and less government funding, they have more and more autonomy. At this point I would assume that they enjoy the money that they still get from the gvt And that is the downside - less control. I don't see journalistic freedom as a downside. Perhaps some people would prefer that all broadcasting be like Fox - a cheerleader for the administration currently in power. I actually get my news from NPR and Reuters now. I've done NPR and PBS for years. Best broadcasting in the USA, bar none. Despite NPR's middle to left perspective, they actually report so much more than the other organizations - Network news sucks, CNN is weird, and Fox News is great if you are a Pub that only wants to hear news that agrees with your world view. I find the whole NPR/PBS viewpoint to be all over the map - left, right, center, whatever. IOW, well rounded and balanced. But I can see where some folks would be annoyed by hearing things that are not complimentary to the current administration - whoever it is. --- One thing I find interesting, though, is the upscale drift of the PBS DIY shows. Seems to me that "This Old House" and "Hometime" used to be mostly about regular middle-class folks fixing up their homes themselves. But in recent seasons, it's become more and more about monster projects in exotic or upscale locations, using top-of-the-line products. And most of the work is done by contractors, not homeowners. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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#16
October 30th 04, 07:44 PM
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N2EY wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo writes: William wrote: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... William wrote: (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...re_eu/russia_u s_election And that "left turn is who the "reformed commies" endorse for Prez! Yep. Talk about off off topic! Ooop! Not allowed to say PCTA are off topic. My bad. So sorry. What the heck, Brian? If you post something, and someone disagrees with it, is THAT what you mean by not being allowed to have a different opinion? I think that's exactly what "William" and "Lenover21" mean, Mike. If you express a different opinion, they think you're saying they cannot have their own. Just no need to be so sensitive! I'm here for a "bloody good row", and I want to hear opinions that differ with mine. Some, like Len, think I'm trying to play the middle, and am not "controversial" enough. Taint so! I'm here to civilly discuss issues, and an occasional fishing expedition too! It's even worse, if you prove that their opinion isn't based on facts.... So it seems...... I kind of thought that was what we were here for. Me too. As for off topic, yourself and are the ones complaining of messages being off topic. Yep. Even though they go off topic even more. C'mon, you are starting to sound like a "victim". Precisely. Sorry, didn't mean to give that impression. It was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek, but my keyboard emoticons are lacking. Dang-it, there's that victim trap again! ;^) See? As a conservative, I can tell you that you don't have to be a victim. You are responsible for your actions, and don't have to be a victim. Once you do that, your life will take on new meaning, with unlimited possibilities opening up that were denied you by the liberal's "victim trap" You mean like folks who blame all the problems of the ARS on the code test? Reminds me of the "parade of victims" that NPR features each day. When? I listen to NPR frequently, and I've not heard any such "parade". Why does George Bush continue to fund those idiots? For the same reasons outfits like Halliburton are funded? NPR gets less and less gvt funding every year. 65 percent private/35 percent public Yep. There is a downside to that though. When Newt ad his buds originally started the pull the pursetrings on NPR, the idea was that they would melt and go away like the wicked witch of the west after getting doused by Dorothy. Is that the Newt whose treatment of his former spouse wasn't exactly in line with "family values"? There is a cruelty there that is damning, especially that his fellow "family value" spouting, right thinking people didn't hop on that. Or the Newt whose intercepted cell phone conversation wasn't exactly G rated? hehheh They didn't - they thrived, adapting to the new situation. Fascinating! As they receive less and less government funding, they have more and more autonomy. At this point I would assume that they enjoy the money that they still get from the gvt And that is the downside - less control. I don't see journalistic freedom as a downside. I guess I skipped around there a bit. I meant that to Newt and his minions (hey - what IS the difference between a minion and a crony, anyhoo?) the fact that they did not Kill public broadcasting, they lost any ability to control it. As long as they controlled the purse strings, they could threaten to cut off monies if public broadcasting didn't start broadcasting "properly" ala Fox News. Instead, they made that wrong assumption about public broadcasting's will to survive, and even thrive. So instead of doing what they wanted to do, they inadvertently did the right thing. Happens once in a while. Perhaps some people would prefer that all broadcasting be like Fox - a cheerleader for the administration currently in power. I actually get my news from NPR and Reuters now. I've done NPR and PBS for years. Best broadcasting in the USA, bar none. NO doubt. Despite NPR's middle to left perspective, they actually report so much more than the other organizations - Network news sucks, CNN is weird, and Fox News is great if you are a Pub that only wants to hear news that agrees with your world view. I find the whole NPR/PBS viewpoint to be all over the map - left, right, center, whatever. IOW, well rounded and balanced. But I can see where some folks would be annoyed by hearing things that are not complimentary to the current administration - whoever it is. --- One thing I find interesting, though, is the upscale drift of the PBS DIY shows. Seems to me that "This Old House" and "Hometime" used to be mostly about regular middle-class folks fixing up their homes themselves. But in recent seasons, it's become more and more about monster projects in exotic or upscale locations, using top-of-the-line products. And most of the work is done by contractors, not homeowners. I stopped watching the show after a person in Taos NM was redoing his house. The host immediately asks him what the budget is. Upon getting the answer - $150,000 - he made all kinds of clucking noises about how hard it was going to be to redo a place for that little. This was at a time when the typical new house in our area was going for that much. I figured the show wasn't too relevant to me anymore. - Mike KB3EIA - |
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October 30th 04, 10:54 PM
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In article , Mike Coslo
writes: N2EY wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: William wrote: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... William wrote: (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor.../ap_on_re_eu/r ussia_u s_election And that "left turn is who the "reformed commies" endorse for Prez! Yep. Talk about off off topic! Ooop! Not allowed to say PCTA are off topic. My bad. So sorry. What the heck, Brian? If you post something, and someone disagrees with it, is THAT what you mean by not being allowed to have a different opinion? I think that's exactly what "William" and "Lenover21" mean, Mike. If you express a different opinion, they think you're saying they cannot have their own. Just no need to be so sensitive! On whose part? I'm here for a "bloody good row", and I want to hear opinions that differ with mine. Me too! Some, like Len, think I'm trying to play the middle, and am not "controversial" enough. Taint so! I'm here to civilly discuss issues, and an occasional fishing expedition too! I miss K2UNK. He and I differ on practically every amateur radio policy issue ever discussed here, yet there is never any animosity or personal attack. It's even worse, if you prove that their opinion isn't based on facts.... So it seems...... Kill the messenger? I kind of thought that was what we were here for. Me too. As for off topic, yourself and are the ones complaining of messages being off topic. Yep. Even though they go off topic even more. C'mon, you are starting to sound like a "victim". Precisely. Sorry, didn't mean to give that impression. It was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek, but my keyboard emoticons are lacking. Dang-it, there's that victim trap again! ;^) See? As a conservative, I can tell you that you don't have to be a victim. You are responsible for your actions, and don't have to be a victim. Once you do that, your life will take on new meaning, with unlimited possibilities opening up that were denied you by the liberal's "victim trap" You mean like folks who blame all the problems of the ARS on the code test? Reminds me of the "parade of victims" that NPR features each day. When? I listen to NPR frequently, and I've not heard any such "parade". There are true victims, who have actually been wronged, and there are folks who blame everything bad on others. Why does George Bush continue to fund those idiots? See? "It's all the liberals' fault!" For the same reasons outfits like Halliburton are funded? NPR gets less and less gvt funding every year. 65 percent private/35 percent public Yep. There is a downside to that though. When Newt ad his buds originally started the pull the pursetrings on NPR, the idea was that they would melt and go away like the wicked witch of the west after getting doused by Dorothy. Is that the Newt whose treatment of his former spouse wasn't exactly in line with "family values"? There is a cruelty there that is damning, especially that his fellow "family value" spouting, right thinking people didn't hop on that. Did you *really* expect fellow Pubs and conservatives to criticize Mr. Speaker? (Look up how many times Rush Limbaugh has been married...) Or the Newt whose intercepted cell phone conversation wasn't exactly G rated? hehheh Lots of examples like that. They didn't - they thrived, adapting to the new situation. Fascinating! As they receive less and less government funding, they have more and more autonomy. At this point I would assume that they enjoy the money that they still get from the gvt And that is the downside - less control. I don't see journalistic freedom as a downside. I guess I skipped around there a bit. I meant that to Newt and his minions (hey - what IS the difference between a minion and a crony, anyhoo?) Crony is a fellow-traveler, minion is an underling. the fact that they did not Kill public broadcasting, they lost any ability to control it. And that's good! As long as they controlled the purse strings, they could threaten to cut off monies if public broadcasting didn't start broadcasting "properly" ala Fox News. Instead, they made that wrong assumption about public broadcasting's will to survive, and even thrive. They also completely misunderstood what we the people really want. So instead of doing what they wanted to do, they inadvertently did the right thing. Happens once in a while. Law of Unintended/Unforeseen Consequences Perhaps some people would prefer that all broadcasting be like Fox - a cheerleader for the administration currently in power. (just like good ol' Radio Moscow used to be) I actually get my news from NPR and Reuters now. I've done NPR and PBS for years. Best broadcasting in the USA, bar none. NO doubt. Despite NPR's middle to left perspective, they actually report so much more than the other organizations - Network news sucks, CNN is weird, and Fox News is great if you are a Pub that only wants to hear news that agrees with your world view. I find the whole NPR/PBS viewpoint to be all over the map - left, right, center, whatever. IOW, well rounded and balanced. But I can see where some folks would be annoyed by hearing things that are not complimentary to the current administration - whoever it is. --- One thing I find interesting, though, is the upscale drift of the PBS DIY shows. Seems to me that "This Old House" and "Hometime" used to be mostly about regular middle-class folks fixing up their homes themselves. But in recent seasons, it's become more and more about monster projects in exotic or upscale locations, using top-of-the-line products. And most of the work is done by contractors, not homeowners. I stopped watching the show after a person in Taos NM was redoing his house. The host immediately asks him what the budget is. Upon getting the answer - $150,000 - he made all kinds of clucking noises about how hard it was going to be to redo a place for that little. This was at a time when the typical new house in our area was going for that much. I figured the show wasn't too relevant to me anymore. Real estate is one of those things that varies all over the place. Look at realtor.com and see how much the same house costs in different parts of the country, or even in different parts of the same *county*. It's all in what you're used to. In a house worth, say, $500,000, a $150,000 re-do isn't such a big deal if it includes really serious upgrading. Heck, I know folks doing $100,000 improvements to $300,000 houses - because the cost of the house they want, a couple of blocks over, is well over $450,000. And we're not talking mansions or fancy places, either. Eventually that bubble will burst. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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October 31st 04, 01:55 AM
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N2EY wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo some snippage for clarity Just no need to be so sensitive! On whose part? On theirs. When there is a disagreement, the reaction is all out of proportion. I'm here for a "bloody good row", and I want to hear opinions that differ with mine. Me too! Some, like Len, think I'm trying to play the middle, and am not "controversial" enough. Taint so! I'm here to civilly discuss issues, and an occasional fishing expedition too! I miss K2UNK. He and I differ on practically every amateur radio policy issue ever discussed here, yet there is never any animosity or personal attack. It's even worse, if you prove that their opinion isn't based on facts.... So it seems...... Kill the messenger? I had a co-worker that I would get into discussions with occasionally. I knew I had won the argument when he would freak out on me. We're talking yelling, name calling, etc. He would always come back later and apologize, and since he was a decent sort, that was okay by me. Here, no apology is forthcoming, perhaps. I kind of thought that was what we were here for. Me too. As for off topic, yourself and are the ones complaining of messages being off topic. Yep. Even though they go off topic even more. C'mon, you are starting to sound like a "victim". Precisely. Sorry, didn't mean to give that impression. It was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek, but my keyboard emoticons are lacking. Dang-it, there's that victim trap again! ;^) See? As a conservative, I can tell you that you don't have to be a victim. You are responsible for your actions, and don't have to be a victim. Once you do that, your life will take on new meaning, with unlimited possibilities opening up that were denied you by the liberal's "victim trap" You mean like folks who blame all the problems of the ARS on the code test? Reminds me of the "parade of victims" that NPR features each day. When? I listen to NPR frequently, and I've not heard any such "parade". There are true victims, who have actually been wronged, and there are folks who blame everything bad on others. You mean like the folks that never paid attention to Harry Truman's "The buck stops here"? Why does George Bush continue to fund those idiots? See? "It's all the liberals' fault!" 1. Liberals believe in spending lots of money regardless of tax monies received. 1a. Conservatives believe in a balanced budget, with money spent no less than equaling input from taxes. 2. Liberals believe in using government to further their social agendas. 2a. Conservatives believe that the government that governs least governs best. This means getting government off peoples backs. 3. Liberals believe in the government taking in tax dollars, and redistributing them as welfare. 3a. Conservatives believe in "If you can't make it on your own, you aren't going to make it/ So lessee, we gots ourselves record deficits (coming after a surplus) and tax reductions - Hey, there's a recipe for bankruptcy! We gots faith based initiatives, and a drive for vouchers, we gots a castrated version of stem cell research - Hey ya know the rest of the world is moving ahead - just one more way we are falling behind. Now if we can just get that damnable evolution out of the schools... And as we have scaled back on personal welfare, corporate welfare is just boomin' baby! So who is the liberals, and who is the conservatives? For the same reasons outfits like Halliburton are funded? NPR gets less and less gvt funding every year. 65 percent private/35 percent public Yep. There is a downside to that though. When Newt ad his buds originally started the pull the pursetrings on NPR, the idea was that they would melt and go away like the wicked witch of the west after getting doused by Dorothy. Is that the Newt whose treatment of his former spouse wasn't exactly in line with "family values"? There is a cruelty there that is damning, especially that his fellow "family value" spouting, right thinking people didn't hop on that. Did you *really* expect fellow Pubs and conservatives to criticize Mr. Speaker? (Look up how many times Rush Limbaugh has been married...) What is amazing is that there is more than one woman in the world that would mate with him. Or the Newt whose intercepted cell phone conversation wasn't exactly G rated? hehheh Lots of examples like that. They didn't - they thrived, adapting to the new situation. Fascinating! As they receive less and less government funding, they have more and more autonomy. At this point I would assume that they enjoy the money that they still get from the gvt And that is the downside - less control. I don't see journalistic freedom as a downside. I guess I skipped around there a bit. I meant that to Newt and his minions (hey - what IS the difference between a minion and a crony, anyhoo?) Crony is a fellow-traveler, minion is an underling. the fact that they did not Kill public broadcasting, they lost any ability to control it. And that's good! Yup! As long as they controlled the purse strings, they could threaten to cut off monies if public broadcasting didn't start broadcasting "properly" ala Fox News. Instead, they made that wrong assumption about public broadcasting's will to survive, and even thrive. They also completely misunderstood what we the people really want. It's pretty common. It is like the networks bringing out new "reality shows" because they are what get people watching - while ignoring the fact that network viewership continues to tumble. It's why the music industry bemoans declining sales, and blame it on MP3 file sharing, completely ignoring that their present product is way overpriced - oh, and by the way, the fact that "popular" music SUCKS these days might have something to do with it, eh? So instead of doing what they wanted to do, they inadvertently did the right thing. Happens once in a while. Law of Unintended/Unforeseen Consequences Perhaps some people would prefer that all broadcasting be like Fox - a cheerleader for the administration currently in power. (just like good ol' Radio Moscow used to be) ZZZZZZZiiinnngggg! You done brought the thread home, Jim! I actually get my news from NPR and Reuters now. I've done NPR and PBS for years. Best broadcasting in the USA, bar none. NO doubt. Despite NPR's middle to left perspective, they actually report so much more than the other organizations - Network news sucks, CNN is weird, and Fox News is great if you are a Pub that only wants to hear news that agrees with your world view. I find the whole NPR/PBS viewpoint to be all over the map - left, right, center, whatever. IOW, well rounded and balanced. But I can see where some folks would be annoyed by hearing things that are not complimentary to the current administration - whoever it is. --- One thing I find interesting, though, is the upscale drift of the PBS DIY shows. Seems to me that "This Old House" and "Hometime" used to be mostly about regular middle-class folks fixing up their homes themselves. But in recent seasons, it's become more and more about monster projects in exotic or upscale locations, using top-of-the-line products. And most of the work is done by contractors, not homeowners. I stopped watching the show after a person in Taos NM was redoing his house. The host immediately asks him what the budget is. Upon getting the answer - $150,000 - he made all kinds of clucking noises about how hard it was going to be to redo a place for that little. This was at a time when the typical new house in our area was going for that much. I figured the show wasn't too relevant to me anymore. Real estate is one of those things that varies all over the place. Look at realtor.com and see how much the same house costs in different parts of the country, or even in different parts of the same *county*. It's all in what you're used to. In a house worth, say, $500,000, a $150,000 re-do isn't such a big deal if it includes really serious upgrading. Heck, I know folks doing $100,000 improvements to $300,000 houses - because the cost of the house they want, a couple of blocks over, is well over $450,000. And we're not talking mansions or fancy places, either. Eventually that bubble will burst. Yup, like when Mr. and Mrs. Smartbuy decide to sell their 20,000 sq. ft McMansion and move into a apartment or condo after they retire, and find no market for it? They will be trying to sell a huge house that costs a fortune to heat and keep up, and is poorly constructed to boot. WoW! I've been on a rant here! - Mike KB3EIA - |
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October 31st 04, 12:41 PM
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In article , Mike Coslo
writes: N2EY wrote: In article , Mike Coslo some snippage for clarity Just no need to be so sensitive! On whose part? On theirs. When there is a disagreement, the reaction is all out of proportion. Yes, I've noticed that. Nothing new, really - look up how Len behaved in "the sphincter post". That one was a classic! Basically, a fellow who had been a USCG radio operator described what it was like doing so at the station in Hawaii. Using Morse code on 500 kHz and HF for maritime communications. Not in the 1930s, either. Post wasn't even addressed to Len IIRC. Len didn't exactly show respect for the skill and dedication required to do that job. I'm here for a "bloody good row", and I want to hear opinions that differ with mine. Me too! Some, like Len, think I'm trying to play the middle, and am not "controversial" enough. Taint so! I'm here to civilly discuss issues, and an occasional fishing expedition too! You're pro-code-test, Mike, and therefore a target for anyhting Len can think up. I miss K2UNK. He and I differ on practically every amateur radio policy issue ever discussed here, yet there is never any animosity or personal attack. It's even worse, if you prove that their opinion isn't based on facts.... So it seems...... Kill the messenger? I had a co-worker that I would get into discussions with occasionally. I knew I had won the argument when he would freak out on me. We're talking yelling, name calling, etc. He would always come back later and apologize, and since he was a decent sort, that was okay by me. Here, no apology is forthcoming, perhaps. Haven't seen one in more than seven years. In fact it works the other way: If you get to the point where you've actually proven a mistake on the part of the other party, the resentment and abuse get worse. This was clearly demonstrated when Len stated that he'd *never* used a certain screen name on rrap - and then I googled up a few posts where he had. I kind of thought that was what we were here for. Me too. As for off topic, yourself and are the ones complaining of messages being off topic. Yep. Even though they go off topic even more. What's interesting is that you'll see OT assertions about how somebody was doing military radio while you were still in diapers, but no explanation about how that connects to amateur radio policy today. C'mon, you are starting to sound like a "victim". Precisely. Sorry, didn't mean to give that impression. It was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek, but my keyboard emoticons are lacking. Dang-it, there's that victim trap again! ;^) See? As a conservative, I can tell you that you don't have to be a victim. You are responsible for your actions, and don't have to be a victim. Once you do that, your life will take on new meaning, with unlimited possibilities opening up that were denied you by the liberal's "victim trap" You mean like folks who blame all the problems of the ARS on the code test? Reminds me of the "parade of victims" that NPR features each day. When? I listen to NPR frequently, and I've not heard any such "parade". There are true victims, who have actually been wronged, and there are folks who blame everything bad on others. You mean like the folks that never paid attention to Harry Truman's "The buck stops here"? Yep. When asked if he'd made any mistakes in his time in the White House, our president replied that he'd made some mistakes in appointing certain people. That was all. Talk about buck-passing! Why does George Bush continue to fund those idiots? See? "It's all the liberals' fault!" 1. Liberals believe in spending lots of money regardless of tax monies received. That's a classic complaint of their fiscal policies. 1a. Conservatives believe in a balanced budget, with money spent no less than equaling input from taxes. Supposedly 2. Liberals believe in using government to further their social agendas. Agendas which focus on special interest groups, supposedly 2a. Conservatives believe that the government that governs least governs best. This means getting government off peoples backs. Minimal regulation 3. Liberals believe in the government taking in tax dollars, and redistributing them as welfare. Supposedly so that those who receive the welfare will advance to the point where they don't need it any more. 3a. Conservatives believe in "If you can't make it on your own, you aren't going to make it/ AKA "free market" or "Darwinism". So lessee, we gots ourselves record deficits (coming after a surplus) and tax reductions - Hey, there's a recipe for bankruptcy! In less than four years we went from surplus to incredible deficit. Last time we did that to such an amazing degree was when Ronald Reagan was president... We gots faith based initiatives, and a drive for vouchers, we gots a castrated version of stem cell research - Hey ya know the rest of the world is moving ahead - just one more way we are falling behind. Now if we can just get that damnable evolution out of the schools... And keep those gays from getting hitched! Yep, that'll solve all our problems... Back in the 1970s, the USA imported about a third of the oil used here. Now we import about two-thirds. Wrong direction. And as we have scaled back on personal welfare, corporate welfare is just boomin' baby! Only for certain organizations. So who is the liberals, and who is the conservatives? Bingo! You oughta write that up, Mike. oh wait, you just did For the same reasons outfits like Halliburton are funded? NPR gets less and less gvt funding every year. 65 percent private/35 percent public Yep. There is a downside to that though. When Newt ad his buds originally started the pull the pursetrings on NPR, the idea was that they would melt and go away like the wicked witch of the west after getting doused by Dorothy. Is that the Newt whose treatment of his former spouse wasn't exactly in line with "family values"? There is a cruelty there that is damning, especially that his fellow "family value" spouting, right thinking people didn't hop on that. Did you *really* expect fellow Pubs and conservatives to criticize Mr. Speaker? (Look up how many times Rush Limbaugh has been married...) What is amazing is that there is more than one woman in the world that would mate with him. I'm amazed that there is one...! Or the Newt whose intercepted cell phone conversation wasn't exactly G rated? hehheh Lots of examples like that. They didn't - they thrived, adapting to the new situation. Fascinating! As they receive less and less government funding, they have more and more autonomy. At this point I would assume that they enjoy the money that they still get from the gvt And that is the downside - less control. I don't see journalistic freedom as a downside. I guess I skipped around there a bit. I meant that to Newt and his minions (hey - what IS the difference between a minion and a crony, anyhoo?) Crony is a fellow-traveler, minion is an underling. the fact that they did not Kill public broadcasting, they lost any ability to control it. And that's good! Yup! As long as they controlled the purse strings, they could threaten to cut off monies if public broadcasting didn't start broadcasting "properly" ala Fox News. Instead, they made that wrong assumption about public broadcasting's will to survive, and even thrive. They also completely misunderstood what we the people really want. It's pretty common. It is like the networks bringing out new "reality shows" because they are what get people watching - while ignoring the fact that network viewership continues to tumble. Inevitable result of more channels and more competing technologies. The interesting part of "reality" shows (to me) is that they're all based on fantasies! My favorite ones are the PBS ones where they put modern day people into setups from another time ("The 1900 House", "Frontier House", etc.) and see how they fare. What's neat is that they become subtle but powerful commercials for the modern life. It's why the music industry bemoans declining sales, and blame it on MP3 file sharing, completely ignoring that their present product is way overpriced - oh, and by the way, the fact that "popular" music SUCKS these days might have something to do with it, eh? Part of that is the fact that a CD costs so much yet may have only a few songs you want on it. There's also so many competing *legal* venues out there like satellite radio, streaming audio, the 99 cent iPod downloads, etc. So instead of doing what they wanted to do, they inadvertently did the right thing. Happens once in a while. Law of Unintended/Unforeseen Consequences Perhaps some people would prefer that all broadcasting be like Fox - a cheerleader for the administration currently in power. (just like good ol' Radio Moscow used to be) ZZZZZZZiiinnngggg! You done brought the thread home, Jim! Of course! See how the whole thing is actually on-topic? I actually get my news from NPR and Reuters now. I've done NPR and PBS for years. Best broadcasting in the USA, bar none. NO doubt. Despite NPR's middle to left perspective, they actually report so much more than the other organizations - Network news sucks, CNN is weird, and Fox News is great if you are a Pub that only wants to hear news that agrees with your world view. I find the whole NPR/PBS viewpoint to be all over the map - left, right, center, whatever. IOW, well rounded and balanced. But I can see where some folks would be annoyed by hearing things that are not complimentary to the current administration - whoever it is. --- One thing I find interesting, though, is the upscale drift of the PBS DIY shows. Seems to me that "This Old House" and "Hometime" used to be mostly about regular middle-class folks fixing up their homes themselves. But in recent seasons, it's become more and more about monster projects in exotic or upscale locations, using top-of-the-line products. And most of the work is done by contractors, not homeowners. This week's "Hometime" just exploded that theory completely, at least for that show. The project is a kitchen redo. Young family (Dad, Mom, 9 month old baby) in a small frame house with limited budget. Everybody pitches in, cabinets and appliances are from the home center some contracting and lots of homeowner work, etc. Home videos integrated into the show. Real-life headaches and stresses dealt with. Kinda like ham radio - lots of hams don't have ideal or even near ideal setups, but they manage to get on the air nonetheless. I stopped watching the show after a person in Taos NM was redoing his house. The host immediately asks him what the budget is. Upon getting the answer - $150,000 - he made all kinds of clucking noises about how hard it was going to be to redo a place for that little. This was at a time when the typical new house in our area was going for that much. I figured the show wasn't too relevant to me anymore. Real estate is one of those things that varies all over the place. Look at realtor.com and see how much the same house costs in different parts of the country, or even in different parts of the same *county*. It's all in what you're used to. In a house worth, say, $500,000, a $150,000 re-do isn't such a big deal if it includes really serious upgrading. Heck, I know folks doing $100,000 improvements to $300,000 houses - because the cost of the house they want, a couple of blocks over, is well over $450,000. And we're not talking mansions or fancy places, either. Eventually that bubble will burst. Yup, like when Mr. and Mrs. Smartbuy decide to sell their 20,000 sq. ft McMansion and move into a apartment or condo after they retire, and find no market for it? They will be trying to sell a huge house that costs a fortune to heat and keep up, and is poorly constructed to boot. Yep. And it gets worse: The McMansion is on a huge lot that has a pile of deed restrictions prohibiting things like subdividing the property, converting the house for multifamily use, etc. Meanwhile the apartment/condos that they want to go into keep climbing in price because so many other people in the same situation are buying them. WoW! I've been on a rant here! Not at all! 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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In article , Mike Coslo writes: William wrote: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... William wrote: (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...re_eu/russia_u s_election And that "left turn is who the "reformed commies" endorse for Prez! Yep. Social Democrats. Talk about off off topic! Ooop! Not allowed to say PCTA are off topic. My bad. So sorry. What the heck, Brian? If you post something, and someone disagrees with it, is THAT what you mean by not being allowed to have a different opinion? I think that's exactly what "William" and "Lenover21" mean, Mike. If you express a different opinion, they think you're saying they cannot have their own. When you tell someone that their opinions are invalid based upon whether they hold an amateur radio license, then that is exactly what you are doing. Have you ever done that Jim? It's even worse, if you prove that their opinion isn't based on facts.... I especially liked your factoid where "a morse code exam acts as a barrier to morse code use." That was a gem. And I didn't even argue with it because it's true enough. But you argued with it. Then there is my all time favorite, uttered by Steve, "Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio!" Steve's been backpedalling ever since. I kind of thought that was what we were here for. Me too. Me too. As for off topic, yourself and are the ones complaining of messages being off topic. Yep. Even though they go off topic even more. Please allow me to set the record straight. You PCTA are constantly on Len for bringing up radio related experiences, but since they were not precisely amateur experiences, you have told him that he is off topic. So when you stray to space exploration, B&W movies, bad math, and lust for movie stars, he beats you over the head with your very own "Off Topic" drum. And you hate it. C'mon, you are starting to sound like a "victim". Precisely. Imprecisely. Sorry, didn't mean to give that impression. It was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek, but my keyboard emoticons are lacking. Dang-it, there's that victim trap again! ;^) See? Are you emoticon blind? As a conservative, I can tell you that you don't have to be a victim. You are responsible for your actions, and don't have to be a victim. Once you do that, your life will take on new meaning, with unlimited possibilities opening up that were denied you by the liberal's "victim trap" You mean like folks who blame all the problems of the ARS on the code test? Who are those people? Name them. I blame the problems of the ARS on the following, in order of importance: Amateurs, ARRL, FCC, Morse Code Exam. Reminds me of the "parade of victims" that NPR features each day. When? Daily. I listen to NPR frequently, and I've not heard any such "parade". Not a parade in the usual sense. But day after day NPR features someone or some group with problems that only the government will be able to solve. I never realized that we had so many problems until I started listening to NPR. Then I realized that most of those people with problems would not have problems if they had stayed in school, didn't have sex out of wedlock, tried to raise children as a single, one earning or no earning parent, ... Why does George Bush continue to fund those idiots? For the same reasons outfits like Halliburton are funded? Please name the other outfit(s) that can compete with Halliburton. Please explain why Clinton gave Halliburton a No-Bid contract when Clinton attacked Bosnia? NPR gets less and less gvt funding every year. 65 percent private/35 percent public Yep. There is a downside to that though. When Newt ad his buds originally started the pull the pursetrings on NPR, the idea was that they would melt and go away like the wicked witch of the west after getting doused by Dorothy. Is that the Newt whose treatment of his former spouse wasn't exactly in line with "family values"? I believe so. Or the Newt whose intercepted cell phone conversation wasn't exactly G rated? Could have been. Whatever happened to that couple that intercepted the cell phone call? They didn't - they thrived, adapting to the new situation. Fascinating! They keep having fund raisers. Fine. That leaves them less time to spread their socialist ideology. As they receive less and less government funding, they have more and more autonomy. At this point I would assume that they enjoy the money that they still get from the gvt And that is the downside - less control. I don't see journalistic freedom as a downside. Perhaps some people would prefer that all broadcasting be like Fox - a cheerleader for the administration currently in power. That is such an interesting statement. Fox News is a relatively new news outlet in the grand scheme of things. And they have set themselves apart; I believe that you called it "journalistic freedom." Gosh, how awful and how successful! Remember though, that many of the traditional news outlets have an agenda which favors Democrats. Recall that CBS initially got the Prisoner Abuse photos, and wouldn't run it themselves. They instead gave the photos to Al Jazeer to run first then they ran it. Then you've got the Dan Rather doctored documents. Why are these guys trying so hard to damage the president and America? Finally, I'd like to take issue with your use of the term "broadcasting." I do not have cable or satellite television. I do not see Fox News. Nor do I see CNN. So broadcasting it is not. I do have ABC, CBS, NBC, and PBS broadcasts. Two are decidedly socialist and/or anti-American. I actually get my news from NPR and Reuters now. I've done NPR and PBS for years. Best broadcasting in the USA, bar none. NPR is details oriented, and I like that. I get to learn a lot about the socialist viewpoint. Despite NPR's middle to left perspective, they actually report so much more than the other organizations - Network news sucks, CNN is weird, and Fox News is great if you are a Pub that only wants to hear news that agrees with your world view. I find the whole NPR/PBS viewpoint to be all over the map - left, right, center, whatever. I don't. IOW, well rounded and balanced. But I can see where some folks would be annoyed by hearing things that are not complimentary to the current administration - whoever it is. I tire of the constant din of government solutions to everyone's problems. --- One thing I find interesting, though, is the upscale drift of the PBS DIY shows. Seems to me that "This Old House" and "Hometime" used to be mostly about regular middle-class folks fixing up their homes themselves. But in recent seasons, it's become more and more about monster projects in exotic or upscale locations, using top-of-the-line products. And most of the work is done by contractors, not homeowners. 73 de Jim, N2EY "Worst Economy in Fifty Years!" Hi! |
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