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Dee Flint wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote in message oups.com... K4YZ wrote: Just like there's nothing preventing me from picking up a quilting needle if I wanted to, or starting a floral shop, etc. If you can stand other people considering you weird, more power to you as far as I'm concerned. I'm sure no one dared tell Rosie Grier (an NFL player for those too young to remember) that he was odd for doing needlepoint. I believe he even appeared in ads in women's magazines for needlepoint supplies. Rosie even had a short singing career. I saw him live as part of a "Shindig" tour in Beckley, WV in 1964 or 65. He performed on the same bill as Jerry and the Pacemakers, The Dixie Cups, Shirley Ellis (The Name Game) and a young, clean-shaven Willie Nelson (doing pop songs!). Dave K8MN |
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bb wrote:
Michael Coslo wrote: It seems to be the same with many technical careers or hobbies. There is a lot of effort to recruit women to the engineering ranks. But not that many appear to be attracted to it. Ditto meteorology. The American Meteorological Society had lots of verbiage in the BAMS and a questionaire "what should we do to attract..." Time frame was 80's as I recall. I had hoped we had gotten past all that by now. We've got women doctors, truck drivers, and weight lifters. And even a movie about women boxers. It's time to drop the "first woman to... whatever" stuff. Perhaps we need to have tight control over this sort of thing. A carreer / hobby lottery, so to speak. When you are in 6th grade, you draw at random two things, a career slip and a hobby slip. And that is what ya train for and do from then on. Strict control will have to be exercised in order to enforce gender equity! The Gulag for the dissenters. I don't know about you, but that sounds pretty goofy to me. That there are less women in the ARS is true enough. And? Right! But that is interesting from a "why is that?" standpoint. It's hard to tune them in on SSB. You are correct! perhaps *there* is the discrimination! hehe It probably isn't so interesting from a "how do we change Ham radio to attract more women?" aspect. Reminds me of Larry Roll/K3LT and his "Welfare mothers of color" remarks. That one was sorely troublesome. Dee or Kim might be able to shed some light on that, in form of "Why I am interested in Amateur radio" or perhaps some insight on why a lot of women aren't. - Mike KB3EIA - Whoa! I thought we weren't allowed to take anything Kim says seriously? And Dee will merely spout the ARRL party line. I have no problems with either. And I wonder what the ARRL party lin is on "wimmin in radio"? - Mike KB3EIA - |
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"K4YZ" wrote in message oups.com... K4YZ wrote: My question: Is this even an issue? There's beeen a lot of great ansswers here, save for Lennie's usual attempt to be racist and chauvanistic. What I am trying to get at, though, is "so what"...?!?! Dee, Kim, don't get fussed at me...My only point here is that there are NO barriers to ANYone, male, female, black, white, straight, gay, etc etc etc getting a license. Just like there's nothing preventing me from picking up a quilting needle if I wanted to, or starting a floral shop, etc. I received an off-line response that cited a lawsuit agaist the ARRL in "the 92-94 time frame" that cited a suit brought against the League. Sounds more like a labor dispute to me! Does ANY organization have an "obligation" to HAVE to "recruit" on behalf of an avocation that many consider "just a hobby"...?!?! 73 Steve, K4YZ When is k4yz going to post proof k1man was sanctioned by the commission? Me thinks k4yz is full 'o ****. 73, Lloyd |
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From: Dave Heil on Thurs, Mar 17 2005 4:49 am
wrote: Now we need Len Anderson to chime in with something about how amateur radio is predominately "white". I'm not Len, but it is. True enough, Alun, just check out the ham photos in the last half-century's ham publications. No "profiling" qualifications needed... That's right, Len. There are far fewer blacks than whites in amateur radio in the United States. Amateur radio in the U.S. is open to anyone. You've "never" asked yourself (or anyone else) WHY that is? Tsk, tsk, tsk. Mr. "equal opportunity" Heil with all the sarcastic arrogance he can muster DOES NOT EXPLAIN WHY U.S. amateur radio is essentially a white man's "club." Oh, my, how hypocritical can you get? Whilst it's hard to tell someone's race on air, it also seems that On "CW" noboby can tell their gender. That maybe explains why WOMEN's tees are so "cool!" :-) Because when using CW, nobody can tell your gender? Makes as much sense as anything else you've written, I suppose. Are you THAT brain-dead or living-in-fantasy while listening to "CW" that you CAN tell gender of the sender?!? What do you do on hearing that the other party is female, raise the beep pitch with your BFO knob?!? Jay-suss...big badass dave is hard-put to get anything to attempt humiliation and denigration of his "opponents." Tsk, tsk. Now you've really opened up a can of worms, Dave. Big badass dave LIKES worms, Alun. :-) Yes, I do, but I'm not awfully fond of you. AWWWWWW...poor lil davie is ALL UPSET because he isn't "loved and respected?!?" He wanna "take it out" on others? Poor guy is looking for love in all the wrong places. Tsk, tsk, tsk. GET WITH THE PROGRAM. A discussion of anything controversial WILL have all sorts of people "you don't like." Sunnuvagun! [as Hans likes to say...:-) ] Here's a newsflash, sweetums, it is NOT necessary to "like someone" about anything. The SUBJECT is (or should be) the discussion point...NOT the person or personality of whover YOU disagree with. U.S. amateur radio was NOT created especially for Dave Heil to enjoy. Dave Heil has NO more control over ham radio than I do...believe it or not! Dave Heil is NOT an FCC commissioner or staffer, does NOT "rule" anything but lines on paper pads. All of Dave Heil's "tenure" in amateur radio involves keeping his amateur license renewed. All the rest is arrogant posturing of the type of personality that needs to "control" everyone else. Dave Heil tries to "control" others by attempts at humiliation and denigration, then gets soooooooooo upset when he gets the same (and more) tossed right back in his face. Poor baby...and he thought he was "in control." Tsk, tsk, tsk. Does Dave Heil want a nice ARRL-south website where all can congratulate him on his long "career" as an amateur, rigidly following the league rulebook? No problem...easy thing to do ELSEWHERE. Posture and preen about yourself all you want (and you do so seem to want that) ELSEWHERE. U.S. amateur radio is NOT under YOUR control and won't be. If you want to pretend YOU control it, go ELSEWHERE. Meanwhile, the demographics on U.S. amateur radio show de facto that it is a WHITE MEN'S CLUB. If Davie wanna be "equal opportunity for all" (like he puts on to me), then Davie Heil ought to for damn sure go out and DO something about that. [the rest of the world does not exist to serve Davie Heil...or any PCTA] Posturing a lot of bull**** about "...it's open to all" may be the SPIN that all flag-waving, arrogant WHITE extras wanna rave about, but it's clearly NOT the case. It hasn't been the case for half a century. Davie Heil will NOT address the de facto WHITE MEN'S CLUB other than to misdirect into personal denigration against another. To me is going to come back with that idiotic "promise" that I allegedly made...about five years ago. Tsk, tsk. I NEVER took any "oath" or "vows" that I would do such a thing. Got that, Davie? NO "oaths," "vows," or promises. Doesn't matter on the SUBJECT whether or not I "get" a ham license. Big badass davie IS going to find some sort of personal denigration "charge" to misdirect the thread SUBJECT onto my person's alleged "faults." :-) He can't help it. He just doesn't like those having differing opinions than his. Davie Heil has been trying to toss me off this news- group for over seven years on all sorts of specious "charges." Tsk. He's FAILED! I'm still here. Poor guy must be twins (he's beside himself). Failure is NOT an option, Davie. TRY to get back ON the SUBJECT...WITHOUT resorting to all the alleged "faults" of another person. I don't think you can do it. |
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Lloyd wrote: "K4YZ" wrote in message oups.com... YOU contantly denigrate almost everyone here with allegations of Nazi sympathies, profanities and other such childish name-calling, then cry foul when redirected back to you. You've bottomed out, Lennie...Whatever potential you had at being of any value to community or avocation is long gone. Back under the rock, scumbag. When is scumbag k4yz going to post proof tht k1man was cited and sanctioned by the fcc? Oooooh! Lloydie has moved up to two syllable profanities! I am so (not) impressed! Same lame challenge...Still wordsmiting for some "advantage"...An advantage un-done by Google. Done deal. A simple Google search. I wonder if LLoydie will apologize or snivvel out. I vote on the snivvelling. Steve, K4YZ |
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Dave Heil wrote:
wrote: Dave Heil tries to "control" others by attempts at humiliation and denigration, then gets soooooooooo upset when he gets the same (and more) tossed right back in his face. Poor baby...and he thought he was "in control." Tsk, tsk, tsk. "AWWWWWW...poor lil davie is ALL UPSET because he isn't "loved and respected?!?" He wanna "take it out" on others?" --Leonard H. Anderson "Big badass dave LIKES worms, Alun. :-) " --Leonard H. Anderson Sorry, Len, you were saying? There I was...laying on the beach in Bora Bora with Brittney Spears when BAM BAM BAM...This loud sounds wakes me from my male chauvanist near-wet dream... And what do I find...?!?! Dave Heil awaking me with that NAIL being hit SQUARELY on Lennie's head...AGAIN! It was worth the early wake-up call, Dave! 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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