John Smith wrote:
that is holding our numbers at such low levels the FCC
begins to find us more a bother than anything else...


And you have something to back up that statement that the FCC finds ham
radio a bother.

.... logic would be any sane mans guide... we are the smallest minority
on the planet, we don't generate any real revenue for the gov't or
benefit of society, our fellow citizens are paying for the enforcement
of the rules and regulations so we can "hobby around"--kinda like "radio
welfare."

I don't think much more of an argument would need to be posed to make a
lot start asking questions on why all this is being done so some old men
can pass gas and rag chew!

John

"Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message
...
John Smith wrote:
that is holding our numbers at such low levels the FCC begins to find
us more a bother than anything else...


And you have something to back up that statement that the FCC finds
ham radio a bother.

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
N2EY:

I have asked the young men why they have no interest in getting a ham
license, it is because of the limitations placed on the no code
license--and the fact they are not interested in learning code to chat
with someone DX--a task which can be accomplished much easier and reliably
over the net with instant messaging, IRC chat, etc... that is REAL. THAT
is dropping the numbers of hams and putting bands in danger of being
lost... that is holding our numbers at such low levels the FCC begins to
find us more a bother than anything else...


This does NOT make sense when our numbers are near their all time high.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
N2EY:

I have asked the young men why they have no interest in getting a ham
license, it is because of the limitations placed on the no code
license--and the fact they are not interested in learning code to chat
with someone DX--a task which can be accomplished much easier and
reliably over the net with instant messaging, IRC chat, etc... that is
REAL. THAT is dropping the numbers of hams and putting bands in danger
of being lost... that is holding our numbers at such low levels the FCC
begins to find us more a bother than anything else...


This does NOT make sense when our numbers are near their all time high.


It's just another one of those guys who thinks that Ham Radio is only
relevant in as much as it resembles the Internet. - In other words, the guy
has no clue about the hobby but wants to run it down because it is not the
Internet.

I use this attitude as a handy intelligence test for amateurs... If they
cannot differentiate between Amateur Radio and the Internet, or if they
cannot see why there should and would be differences between the two - then
I know that they are brain-damaged ( or even worse ) - associated with TAPR
or the ARRL's HSMM group.

In any case the attitude indicates a clueless state in relation to the
amateur radio hobby.

Charles Brabham, N5PVL

Director: USPacket http://www.uspacket.org
Admin: HamBlog.Com http://www.hamblog.com
Webmaster: HamPoll.Com http://www.hampoll.com
Weblog: http://www.hamblog.com/blog_n5pvl.php

John Smith wrote:
... logic would be any sane mans guide... we are the smallest minority
on the planet, we don't generate any real revenue for the gov't or
benefit of society, our fellow citizens are paying for the enforcement
of the rules and regulations so we can "hobby around"--kinda like "radio
welfare."

I don't think much more of an argument would need to be posed to make a
lot start asking questions on why all this is being done so some old men
can pass gas and rag chew!

Just as I thought, you have absolutely nothing to indicate that the FCC
finds ham radio a bother.

Dee Flint wrote:

I have asked the young men why they have no interest in getting a ham
license, it is because of the limitations placed on the no code
license--and the fact they are not interested in learning code to chat
with someone DX--a task which can be accomplished much easier and reliably
over the net with instant messaging, IRC chat, etc... that is REAL. THAT
is dropping the numbers of hams and putting bands in danger of being
lost... that is holding our numbers at such low levels the FCC begins to
find us more a bother than anything else...



This does NOT make sense when our numbers are near their all time high.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



Dee, this John Smith, whoever he is, for some reason has a hard on
against ham radio. I begin to doubt he is even licensed. Probably just
some cber who is ticked because he can't master the code and pass the
test so all he can do is beat his gums about how usless ham radio is.

Dee:

.... all time high!

You attempt the argument that amateur radio has always been a ridiculous
cost for nothing--well, perhaps you are correct... time to increase our
numbers to a meaningful number...

ROFLOL

John
"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
N2EY:

I have asked the young men why they have no interest in getting a ham
license, it is because of the limitations placed on the no code
license--and the fact they are not interested in learning code to
chat with someone DX--a task which can be accomplished much easier
and reliably over the net with instant messaging, IRC chat, etc...
that is REAL. THAT is dropping the numbers of hams and putting bands
in danger of being lost... that is holding our numbers at such low
levels the FCC begins to find us more a bother than anything else...


This does NOT make sense when our numbers are near their all time
high.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Charles:

You are correct. And ham radio has really become irrelevant...

The millions or billions even who are on the internet give it meaning,
purpose and a self-sustaining argument for its existence...

.... all the things which ham radio DOES NOT have...

John

"Charles Brabham" wrote in message
. ..

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
N2EY:

I have asked the young men why they have no interest in getting a
ham license, it is because of the limitations placed on the no code
license--and the fact they are not interested in learning code to
chat with someone DX--a task which can be accomplished much easier
and reliably over the net with instant messaging, IRC chat, etc...
that is REAL. THAT is dropping the numbers of hams and putting
bands in danger of being lost... that is holding our numbers at
such low levels the FCC begins to find us more a bother than
anything else...


This does NOT make sense when our numbers are near their all time
high.


It's just another one of those guys who thinks that Ham Radio is only
relevant in as much as it resembles the Internet. - In other words,
the guy has no clue about the hobby but wants to run it down because
it is not the Internet.

I use this attitude as a handy intelligence test for amateurs... If
they cannot differentiate between Amateur Radio and the Internet, or
if they cannot see why there should and would be differences between
the two - then I know that they are brain-damaged ( or even worse ) -
associated with TAPR or the ARRL's HSMM group.

In any case the attitude indicates a clueless state in relation to the
amateur radio hobby.

Charles Brabham, N5PVL

Director: USPacket http://www.uspacket.org
Admin: HamBlog.Com http://www.hamblog.com
Webmaster: HamPoll.Com http://www.hampoll.com
Weblog: http://www.hamblog.com/blog_n5pvl.php

Buzzard Cornholing Corey:

No hard on at ham radio. Just unprogressive, self-centered,
self-serving, un-educated hams who have managed to stagnate and chase
off any new and interesting minds and expect us to listen to the old
farts ranting and passing gas...

.... really, people should realize when their age has made them
irrelevant and leave gracefully!!!

ROFLOL

John

"Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message
...
Dee Flint wrote:

I have asked the young men why they have no interest in getting a ham
license, it is because of the limitations placed on the no code
license--and the fact they are not interested in learning code to
chat with someone DX--a task which can be accomplished much easier
and reliably over the net with instant messaging, IRC chat, etc...
that is REAL. THAT is dropping the numbers of hams and putting bands
in danger of being lost... that is holding our numbers at such low
levels the FCC begins to find us more a bother than anything else...



This does NOT make sense when our numbers are near their all time
high.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Dee, this John Smith, whoever he is, for some reason has a hard on
against ham radio. I begin to doubt he is even licensed. Probably just
some cber who is ticked because he can't master the code and pass the
test so all he can do is beat his gums about how usless ham radio is.

John Smith wrote:
Buzzard Cornholing Corey:

I see you lower yourself down on the same level as two-test wogie.
Typical of a cber.