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Old July 23rd 05, 02:56 AM
John Smith
 
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Dee:

Measure up?

Girl, take a look at the man holding the yardstick... a damn midget!

'nuff said...

John

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
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"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
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Dee Flint wrote:
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[snip]

Now will be a time for Elmering and openness. I've sat and
listened to enough grumbling about Nickel Extras such as myself,
right to my face, from OT's who haven't done a thing for the
service for years, talk about how "Any idiot can become a Ham
now." This happens more often than it should.



I would've gotten right in their faces and asked them what they
had done lately for ham radio.


Well, my mode of operation is not to get in peoples faces. If
someone does manage to get me mad, we usually have a private talk.
Lets them save face. Usually I just say something like "I resemble
that remark!"



Actually Mike, it depends. If they have spoken in private, I speak
in private. If they choose to make a fool of themselves in public,
then I'll help them along and point out that foolishness in public.
I've had experience with people who will deliberately put you down
in public based on the concept that you are too polite to respond in
public. I had a former husband who was like that and I finally had
to go ahead and speak out in public to get him to stop. Chewing him
out in private did no good.

[snip]
I suggest that the Ham who wants to be thought of as superior
establish that superiority by example, not by grousing or
ridiculing the new folks. Foster the idea that good manners and
technical acumen is a good thing.



That is the only true measure.


Will we measure up?

- Mike KB3EIA -


I hope so. I know both you and I and many others will try.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



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Old July 22nd 05, 05:06 PM
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wrote:
Observations:

- Although the majority of individuals who commented on the 18
proposals supported code testing, FCC proposes to completely
eliminate it.


which show the strengh of the augue emnts against continued code
testing


- There were a lot of ideas in the 18 proposals other than the code
test. FCC simply denied all suggestions for change *except* dumping
Element 1. Free upgrades for Advanceds and Novices? New entry level
classes? More HF bandspace/modes for Novices and Tech Pluses? "No" to
all of them.


wrong they considered and rejected them

The FCC is taking one of the easist ways out as should have been
expected


- The changes of 2000 brought a lot of upgrades and some short-term
growth, but now the number of individuals with unexpired US ham
licenses is almost 10,000 below what it was in May of 2000. Nor has
there been any sort of "techno-revolution" from the reductions in code
testing.


none promised you a revolution

i was arround and Know you nor anyone else was promised a revolution



Predictions:

- There will be a lot of debate and commentary. But in the end FCC will
just dump Element 1 and make no other changes.


most likely right


- There will be a lot of upgrades and a short-term peak in licenses.
But not long term growth.


maybe all we can hope for form just the rules is to slow the bleeding

next stepp is up to us if we can't shakes the notion that Ham radio is
still back in what is seen as the dark ages of radio we have some real
hope



- The HF/MF bands will not be overrun with more activity.

- There will not be a "revolution" in technology used by hams brought
by the new folks.


no revolution was promised

merely progress


- The focus will shift to a debate about widening the 'phone subbands
or even having no mode subbands at all.


the discusion hasalways included that so you are safe

Your tone seems to me to forsee fear that your your preffered mode is
going to squeezed out




73 de Jim, N2EY


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Old July 22nd 05, 05:10 PM
John Smith
 
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an_old_pervert:

Duh!

Think about it, they were not just asking for comments on peoples
likes, dislikes and wants...

They actually wanted relevant arguments of worth, purpose and logic to
be presented--obliviously, when none could be presented which posed
sufficient reasons for keeping it--it was decided to drop it.

Imagine that, using logic and worth to decide something--now you don't
see that type of common sense these days--how dare they do something
like that!!!

ROFLOL!!!!

John

"an_old_friend" wrote in message
oups.com...


wrote:
Observations:

- Although the majority of individuals who commented on the 18
proposals supported code testing, FCC proposes to completely
eliminate it.


which show the strengh of the augue emnts against continued code
testing


- There were a lot of ideas in the 18 proposals other than the code
test. FCC simply denied all suggestions for change *except* dumping
Element 1. Free upgrades for Advanceds and Novices? New entry level
classes? More HF bandspace/modes for Novices and Tech Pluses? "No"
to
all of them.


wrong they considered and rejected them

The FCC is taking one of the easist ways out as should have been
expected


- The changes of 2000 brought a lot of upgrades and some short-term
growth, but now the number of individuals with unexpired US ham
licenses is almost 10,000 below what it was in May of 2000. Nor has
there been any sort of "techno-revolution" from the reductions in
code
testing.


none promised you a revolution

i was arround and Know you nor anyone else was promised a revolution



Predictions:

- There will be a lot of debate and commentary. But in the end FCC
will
just dump Element 1 and make no other changes.


most likely right


- There will be a lot of upgrades and a short-term peak in
licenses.
But not long term growth.


maybe all we can hope for form just the rules is to slow the
bleeding

next stepp is up to us if we can't shakes the notion that Ham radio
is
still back in what is seen as the dark ages of radio we have some
real
hope



- The HF/MF bands will not be overrun with more activity.

- There will not be a "revolution" in technology used by hams
brought
by the new folks.


no revolution was promised

merely progress


- The focus will shift to a debate about widening the 'phone
subbands
or even having no mode subbands at all.


the discusion hasalways included that so you are safe

Your tone seems to me to forsee fear that your your preffered mode
is
going to squeezed out




73 de Jim, N2EY




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Old July 22nd 05, 11:27 PM
Dan/W4NTI
 
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It's not amazing at all. The FCC consists mainly of Lawyers now a days.

Using a technical argument in a brief is a waste of time. Want proof?
Read the BPL garbage.

Dan/W4NTI

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
an_old_pervert:

Duh!

Think about it, they were not just asking for comments on peoples likes,
dislikes and wants...

They actually wanted relevant arguments of worth, purpose and logic to be
presented--obliviously, when none could be presented which posed
sufficient reasons for keeping it--it was decided to drop it.

Imagine that, using logic and worth to decide something--now you don't see
that type of common sense these days--how dare they do something like
that!!!

ROFLOL!!!!

John

"an_old_friend" wrote in message
oups.com...


wrote:
Observations:

- Although the majority of individuals who commented on the 18
proposals supported code testing, FCC proposes to completely
eliminate it.


which show the strengh of the augue emnts against continued code
testing


- There were a lot of ideas in the 18 proposals other than the code
test. FCC simply denied all suggestions for change *except* dumping
Element 1. Free upgrades for Advanceds and Novices? New entry level
classes? More HF bandspace/modes for Novices and Tech Pluses? "No" to
all of them.


wrong they considered and rejected them

The FCC is taking one of the easist ways out as should have been
expected


- The changes of 2000 brought a lot of upgrades and some short-term
growth, but now the number of individuals with unexpired US ham
licenses is almost 10,000 below what it was in May of 2000. Nor has
there been any sort of "techno-revolution" from the reductions in code
testing.


none promised you a revolution

i was arround and Know you nor anyone else was promised a revolution



Predictions:

- There will be a lot of debate and commentary. But in the end FCC will
just dump Element 1 and make no other changes.


most likely right


- There will be a lot of upgrades and a short-term peak in licenses.
But not long term growth.


maybe all we can hope for form just the rules is to slow the bleeding

next stepp is up to us if we can't shakes the notion that Ham radio is
still back in what is seen as the dark ages of radio we have some real
hope



- The HF/MF bands will not be overrun with more activity.

- There will not be a "revolution" in technology used by hams brought
by the new folks.


no revolution was promised

merely progress


- The focus will shift to a debate about widening the 'phone subbands
or even having no mode subbands at all.


the discusion hasalways included that so you are safe

Your tone seems to me to forsee fear that your your preffered mode is
going to squeezed out




73 de Jim, N2EY






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Old July 22nd 05, 11:54 PM
John Smith
 
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Lawyers???

GAWD MAN, that is a joke!!!

They need psychiatrists to get these guys over there penis envy....

errr, strike that, I meant "CW FIXATION!"

ROFLOL!!!!

John

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
nk.net...
It's not amazing at all. The FCC consists mainly of Lawyers now a
days.

Using a technical argument in a brief is a waste of time. Want
proof? Read the BPL garbage.

Dan/W4NTI

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
an_old_pervert:

Duh!

Think about it, they were not just asking for comments on peoples
likes, dislikes and wants...

They actually wanted relevant arguments of worth, purpose and logic
to be presented--obliviously, when none could be presented which
posed sufficient reasons for keeping it--it was decided to drop it.

Imagine that, using logic and worth to decide something--now you
don't see that type of common sense these days--how dare they do
something like that!!!

ROFLOL!!!!

John

"an_old_friend" wrote in message
oups.com...


wrote:
Observations:

- Although the majority of individuals who commented on the 18
proposals supported code testing, FCC proposes to completely
eliminate it.

which show the strengh of the augue emnts against continued code
testing


- There were a lot of ideas in the 18 proposals other than the
code
test. FCC simply denied all suggestions for change *except*
dumping
Element 1. Free upgrades for Advanceds and Novices? New entry
level
classes? More HF bandspace/modes for Novices and Tech Pluses?
"No" to
all of them.

wrong they considered and rejected them

The FCC is taking one of the easist ways out as should have been
expected


- The changes of 2000 brought a lot of upgrades and some
short-term
growth, but now the number of individuals with unexpired US ham
licenses is almost 10,000 below what it was in May of 2000. Nor
has
there been any sort of "techno-revolution" from the reductions in
code
testing.

none promised you a revolution

i was arround and Know you nor anyone else was promised a
revolution



Predictions:

- There will be a lot of debate and commentary. But in the end
FCC will
just dump Element 1 and make no other changes.

most likely right


- There will be a lot of upgrades and a short-term peak in
licenses.
But not long term growth.

maybe all we can hope for form just the rules is to slow the
bleeding

next stepp is up to us if we can't shakes the notion that Ham
radio is
still back in what is seen as the dark ages of radio we have some
real
hope



- The HF/MF bands will not be overrun with more activity.

- There will not be a "revolution" in technology used by hams
brought
by the new folks.

no revolution was promised

merely progress


- The focus will shift to a debate about widening the 'phone
subbands
or even having no mode subbands at all.

the discusion hasalways included that so you are safe

Your tone seems to me to forsee fear that your your preffered mode
is
going to squeezed out




73 de Jim, N2EY









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Old July 22nd 05, 09:35 PM
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Predictions:

- There will be a lot of debate and commentary. But in the end FCC will
just dump Element 1 and make no other changes.


Probably ...can't see much of anything else happening of note ..

- There will be a lot of upgrades and a short-term peak in licenses.
But not long term growth.


Definately ....I don't really see a mass exodus from 2 meters to the HF
phone bands ....come to think about it there isn't a heck of a lot going on
about the 2 meter band here either ......


- The HF/MF bands will not be overrun with more activity.


I hope that I am wrong but I do agree .... I think that the majority of
those who want to be on HF would already be there .... one thing fer sure is
that they ain't gonna be on CW ..... again wherein lies the true sadness
.....


- There will not be a "revolution" in technology used by hams brought
by the new folks.



Wait a second Jim ....I know this will happen ...the no-code tech business
was just too early and on the wrong bands .... give 'em 6 months and we
will all be using those new whizz bang modes with a half watt into a 2 foot
antenna on 20 meters ... I may dare say that DXCC will be available to all
with in 48 hours with fantistic influx of MIT and CMU grads ..... I
personally know 20 engineers who have avoided getting their ticket due to
the CW requirement .... 15 of them called me last night to see when the
next nocode HF test will be .........yeahhh right ....


- The focus will shift to a debate about widening the 'phone subbands
or even having no mode subbands at all.


I only want Lebensraum fom my people ..... just a little ...... besides the
propagation on the freebands have been iffy at best of late ........

That is a for sure there Jim ...the NC tact will rear its head into the
true reason of its existance ....we will be calling each other citizen as
the guillotine falls on the neck of the CW subbands ..... as crickets can
be heard between QSOs on both phone and CW .......

73 de Jim, N2EY


Back to 40 CW and listening for hints of that new whizbang mode ........

73 KI3R Belle Vernon Pa ....


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Old July 22nd 05, 09:41 PM
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- There will be a lot of debate and commentary. But in the end FCC will
just dump Element 1 and make no other changes.


As far as the FCC is concerned, they are just a regulatory
agency. If something serves no regulatory purpose, then
why have it?
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Old July 22nd 05, 11:23 PM
Dee Flint
 
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wrote in message
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Observations:

- Although the majority of individuals who commented on the 18
proposals supported code testing, FCC proposes to completely
eliminate it.

- There were a lot of ideas in the 18 proposals other than the code
test. FCC simply denied all suggestions for change *except* dumping
Element 1. Free upgrades for Advanceds and Novices? New entry level
classes? More HF bandspace/modes for Novices and Tech Pluses? "No" to
all of them.

- The changes of 2000 brought a lot of upgrades and some short-term
growth, but now the number of individuals with unexpired US ham
licenses is almost 10,000 below what it was in May of 2000. Nor has
there been any sort of "techno-revolution" from the reductions in code
testing.


Predictions:

- There will be a lot of debate and commentary. But in the end FCC will
just dump Element 1 and make no other changes.

- There will be a lot of upgrades and a short-term peak in licenses.
But not long term growth.

- The HF/MF bands will not be overrun with more activity.

- There will not be a "revolution" in technology used by hams brought
by the new folks.

- The focus will shift to a debate about widening the 'phone subbands
or even having no mode subbands at all.


73 de Jim, N2EY


That's the way I see it too.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


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