Fat people would look a lot better and be healthier by losing just 10
pounds a month...

.... just about as much chance as someone studying a worthless means of
communication as that...

.... well, I did, but I am kinda slow, by the time I passed the test it
was too late to protest effectively! ROFLOL!!!

John

"garigue" wrote in message
...

"Joe Guthart" wrote in message
...
I am glad the FCC finally took charge of the situation and decided
to drop the code requirements. Here's why ...

I like Amateur Radio and want it to be a life-long hobby for me ...
however, I just plainly can't take time to effectively study the code
at this point in my life.

10 min a night Joe would get you there in several weeks ..... don't
have to be an expert just 5 wpm .....




I think my story is pretty common for most of the new people
entering Amateur Radio today. I am a 43 year old married father of
three children. I have a background in Aerospace Engineering and my
full time work is in the high technology sector working with many well
known computing infrastructure companies. I got my Technician
license about two and a half years ago because it was a neat little
challenge for me to combine radio communications with some of the
newer digital modes. Basically, it was fun, not really technical
challenging, but a nice way to relax.

Exactly Joe it is a good way to relax ....... if it were work then I
wouldn't be doing it ......



I do enjoy making contacts on 6 meters. I would play around with
some different radio, antenna, and computer configurations and started
to develop a relationship with some fellow ham buddies. Soon I became
limited with the VHF/UHF band and wanted to hop onto HF. Of course,
by the current rules one would have to jump on and take on learning
Morse Code. I am absolutely sure I could do this if I had enough
time. Having an ongoing career and being a family man, doesn't really
leave a whole lot of time to practice dits and dahs. I have actually
played around with the code

10 min a night for several weeks would get the job done quite well
..... no problem for 5 wpm

Finally, I honor all those of you who are code proficient.

Joe .... honor the vets not people who have a simple skill .....
proficient ???? I don't have a good answer for that except 5 WPM is
proficient for a 5 WPM op ....




I too may one day still be code proficient even if there is no
formal testing.

Good Joe as you will be missing out on one "relaxing" mode .....
excuse me protocol ..... I look forward to seeing you on the lower
edges .......


However, I do think that the right decision has been made by the
FCC and will ultimately be finalized with little changes. This will
not kill our hobby, but will inject more life into it.


Joe I wish I could agree with you but I just don't see how that will
happen ........ unless testing is done away with entirely.
However if it does .......I will buy all a virtual beer on this
group.









73's to All,

Joe / KG4YJS

Take care Joe ...73 Tom Popovic KI3R Belle Vernon Pa.

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Fat people would look a lot better and be healthier by losing just 10
pounds a month...

... just about as much chance as someone studying a worthless means of
communication as that...

... well, I did, but I am kinda slow, by the time I passed the test it
was too late to protest effectively! ROFLOL!!!

John


Huh ?????? I am glad it is Friday night and you don't have to work
tomorrow ...... how about sharing some of that stuff you are drinking or
smoking ........ cough syrup ?????? John get off of that bedspring antenna
your using for that KW I think something has fried .......

dit dit 73 Tom KI3R ......

Geesh...

You guys are for real huh?
You think code and a radio makes you special guys?

Was the license really so difficult for you, you believe the rest of
us with much different opinions are stupid and find it that big a
challenge?

I started building tesla coils at ~10, I got my novice ticket and
built my first single tube transmitter when I was 12, my first degree
was in electronic engineering in '72... I ate this chit up... I was
bored and didn't know what I wanted to be--until they invented the
computer... I returned to college in 1978 and got my BS in CS in 1981
along with a BA in journalism, I completed my MS in CS in '83...
since then I have always taught a night class at the local jr. college
and continue to take classes at the local university to stay current
and be with fresh young minds...

Get real... lay down the opium pipe and step out of the gutter!

And, I just consider myself an average guy (you should see my sister,
she has all the brains in the family!)... of course, I do live in a
nice neighborhood and have nice neighbors...

John

"garigue" wrote in message
...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Fat people would look a lot better and be healthier by losing just
10
pounds a month...

... just about as much chance as someone studying a worthless means
of
communication as that...

... well, I did, but I am kinda slow, by the time I passed the test
it
was too late to protest effectively! ROFLOL!!!

John


Huh ?????? I am glad it is Friday night and you don't have to work
tomorrow ...... how about sharing some of that stuff you are
drinking or
smoking ........ cough syrup ?????? John get off of that bedspring
antenna
your using for that KW I think something has fried .......

dit dit 73 Tom KI3R ......

From: "John Smith" on Fri 22 Jul 2005 21:08

Geesh...

You guys are for real huh?
You think code and a radio makes you special guys?

It does in their minds. They are the PCTA *Extras*!

Was the license really so difficult for you, you believe the rest of
us with much different opinions are stupid and find it that big a
challenge?

Yes they do. :-)

PCTA extras are the Gods of Radio! [amateur radio, that is]

I started building tesla coils at ~10, I got my novice ticket and
built my first single tube transmitter when I was 12, my first degree
was in electronic engineering in '72... I ate this chit up... I was
bored and didn't know what I wanted to be--until they invented the
computer... I returned to college in 1978 and got my BS in CS in 1981
along with a BA in journalism, I completed my MS in CS in '83...
since then I have always taught a night class at the local jr. college
and continue to take classes at the local university to stay current
and be with fresh young minds...

Careful, John, careful. Gonad the Librarian (K4YZ) will come
in here and totally denounce "night classes" as something for
immigrants or "stupids." :-)

Get real... lay down the opium pipe and step out of the gutter!

That be a bit strong, John. Tom/Garique is basically an OK
kind of guy. It's the OTHER PCTA extras in here who need
their hairy legs (covered by jackboots) shaved a bit (words
toned down considerably to be 'courteous' to the arrogant).

And, I just consider myself an average guy (you should see my sister,
she has all the brains in the family!)... of course, I do live in a
nice neighborhood and have nice neighbors...

Oh, no...another segue into Real Estate and Mortgages! :-)

That's even worse than "ham balloons reaching the threshold
of space!" [which others have already done but one in here
wants congratulatory messages praising him for announcing
he is "going to do it!"]

There can be NO controversial commentary on the code test
for radio amateurs in here. All MUST do it to show their
dedication and committment to the amateur community! It
has always been that way and it must always be! It is the
heart and soul of U.S. amateur radio! CW uber alles!!
Sieg heil!!!

Oops, got carried away with PCTA spirit words there... :-)

bit bit

Len:

Trust me, there are no "stupid people" in the class I will be
instructing this fall... "C++", well, they are all gone by the end of
the first quiz, at the latest...

John

wrote in message
oups.com...
From: "John Smith" on Fri 22 Jul 2005 21:08

Geesh...

You guys are for real huh?
You think code and a radio makes you special guys?

It does in their minds. They are the PCTA *Extras*!

Was the license really so difficult for you, you believe the rest of
us with much different opinions are stupid and find it that big a
challenge?

Yes they do. :-)

PCTA extras are the Gods of Radio! [amateur radio, that is]

I started building tesla coils at ~10, I got my novice ticket and
built my first single tube transmitter when I was 12, my first
degree
was in electronic engineering in '72... I ate this chit up... I was
bored and didn't know what I wanted to be--until they invented the
computer... I returned to college in 1978 and got my BS in CS in
1981
along with a BA in journalism, I completed my MS in CS in '83...
since then I have always taught a night class at the local jr.
college
and continue to take classes at the local university to stay current
and be with fresh young minds...

Careful, John, careful. Gonad the Librarian (K4YZ) will come
in here and totally denounce "night classes" as something for
immigrants or "stupids." :-)

Get real... lay down the opium pipe and step out of the gutter!

That be a bit strong, John. Tom/Garique is basically an OK
kind of guy. It's the OTHER PCTA extras in here who need
their hairy legs (covered by jackboots) shaved a bit (words
toned down considerably to be 'courteous' to the arrogant).

And, I just consider myself an average guy (you should see my
sister,
she has all the brains in the family!)... of course, I do live in a
nice neighborhood and have nice neighbors...

Oh, no...another segue into Real Estate and Mortgages! :-)

That's even worse than "ham balloons reaching the threshold
of space!" [which others have already done but one in here
wants congratulatory messages praising him for announcing
he is "going to do it!"]

There can be NO controversial commentary on the code test
for radio amateurs in here. All MUST do it to show their
dedication and committment to the amateur community! It
has always been that way and it must always be! It is the
heart and soul of U.S. amateur radio! CW uber alles!!
Sieg heil!!!

Oops, got carried away with PCTA spirit words there... :-)

bit bit

From: John Smith on Jul 23, 11:38 am

[ on Night School ]

Trust me, there are no "stupid people" in the class I will be
instructing this fall... "C++", well, they are all gone by the end of
the first quiz, at the latest...

You are a TOUGH instructor! Not letting students get a B,
making them settle for a C++....... :-)

I think you should insert at least one class on the morse code.
That's the state-of-the-art communications code first used in
1844 and again in 1896 at the first demonstrations of radio as
a communications means! "Tradition" and all that... :-)

For the geeks, there is Fortran IV. For the get-ahead-in-
business types, Cobol. For the girlie-men, Lisp. :-)

Then there's Bentley's Commercial Codes, a superencipherment
on top of morse code, several editions...one of the bringers
of the "five-letter-group" concept for a telegraphic "word."

By the time you get to DES you will have everyone primed for
NSA and CIA and DIA. But, FIRST, they ALL have to do the
morse CODE! Muy importante!

bit bit


[a former voting member of the ACM]

Yep Len:

Bit tough here. Gawd, I was shocked last semester... thought a couple
of girly-men had snuck into my class... on closer inspection I found
it was just some very assertive women--I let 'em stay...

Lisp for girly-men? I love that idea! ROFLOL!
grin

John

wrote in message
oups.com...
From: John Smith on Jul 23, 11:38 am

[ on Night School ]

Trust me, there are no "stupid people" in the class I will be
instructing this fall... "C++", well, they are all gone by the end
of
the first quiz, at the latest...

You are a TOUGH instructor! Not letting students get a B,
making them settle for a C++....... :-)

I think you should insert at least one class on the morse code.
That's the state-of-the-art communications code first used in
1844 and again in 1896 at the first demonstrations of radio as
a communications means! "Tradition" and all that... :-)

For the geeks, there is Fortran IV. For the get-ahead-in-
business types, Cobol. For the girlie-men, Lisp. :-)

Then there's Bentley's Commercial Codes, a superencipherment
on top of morse code, several editions...one of the bringers
of the "five-letter-group" concept for a telegraphic "word."

By the time you get to DES you will have everyone primed for
NSA and CIA and DIA. But, FIRST, they ALL have to do the
morse CODE! Muy importante!

bit bit


[a former voting member of the ACM]

That be a bit strong, John. Tom/Garique is basically an OK
kind of guy.

Gee Len ...thanks .... my wife tells me the same thing .....

I think that most of the people in here are OK .....just some more OK than
others ....


Have a good one Len ..take care .....

dit dit beep beep or brap brap .....whatever that means ....

Tom KI3R

Geesh...

You guys are for real huh?
You think code and a radio makes you special guys?

Ah com' on John ....did you ever hear me say anything about CW being special
...... in fact the older I get the less "specialness" means to be ..... as
if it really meant anything back then .....



Was the license really so difficult for you, you believe the rest of
us with much different opinions are stupid and find it that big a
challenge?


Never studpidity ....motivation .... well based on some of the arguments I
have seen here and in my ham d'jour life ....it just seems that if someone
really wanted HF privlidges then suck it up ...study a bit ...pass and have
the ritualistic back yard key burial .......then get on with life ..... but
that apparently will not be necessary now .....no carping ...just fact
.....and I will welcome anyone to the bands and if they are on CW without
being tested ...no big deal. I call that a win for band useage which we
need and for ham radio in general ....




I started building tesla coils at ~10, I got my novice ticket and
built my first single tube transmitter when I was 12, my first degree
was in electronic engineering in '72... I ate this chit up... I was
bored and didn't know what I wanted to be--until they invented the
computer... I returned to college in 1978 and got my BS in CS in 1981
along with a BA in journalism, I completed my MS in CS in '83...
since then I have always taught a night class at the local jr. college
and continue to take classes at the local university to stay current
and be with fresh young minds...


Gee John ...then why are your posts so bizzare ??? I really don't like to
prejudge anyone but your comments over the last several months really don't
reflect the above ...I am sorry if I say this but I am a bit surprized ....
I deal a lot with "old timers" in my profession .....and I find them
interesting and their journey through this life more so in a positive rather
then a negative ..... Also comments about people with problems, disabilities
and diseases don't fit.


Get real... lay down the opium pipe and step out of the gutter!


Huh .....???? oh well ...never tried the stuff thank God but I do like
a couple of beers now and then ....


And, I just consider myself an average guy (you should see my sister,
she has all the brains in the family!)... of course, I do live in a
nice neighborhood and have nice neighbors...

John


I'm glad you do ...as I have good ones also ....have to tell you one of
these days about my old ones ... .."adventures in paradise" ...... complete
with the pit bulls and multiple 20 second visits from strangers throughout
the day ....

Take care John ...73 Tom KI3R

garigue:

Ahhh, this is all a moot point.

From here on out we will just have to concentrate on keeping CW to a
minimum.

All CW will do is PI$$ OFF the CB'ers as they screw to have the key
thumpers shove the morse where the sun doesn't shine...

Shhhhhhhhhhhhh.... grin

John

"garigue" wrote in message
...


Geesh...

You guys are for real huh?
You think code and a radio makes you special guys?

Ah com' on John ....did you ever hear me say anything about CW being
special
..... in fact the older I get the less "specialness" means to be
..... as
if it really meant anything back then .....



Was the license really so difficult for you, you believe the rest
of
us with much different opinions are stupid and find it that big a
challenge?


Never studpidity ....motivation .... well based on some of the
arguments I
have seen here and in my ham d'jour life ....it just seems that if
someone
really wanted HF privlidges then suck it up ...study a bit ...pass
and have
the ritualistic back yard key burial .......then get on with life
..... but
that apparently will not be necessary now .....no carping ...just
fact
....and I will welcome anyone to the bands and if they are on CW
without
being tested ...no big deal. I call that a win for band useage
which we
need and for ham radio in general ....




I started building tesla coils at ~10, I got my novice ticket and
built my first single tube transmitter when I was 12, my first
degree
was in electronic engineering in '72... I ate this chit up... I
was
bored and didn't know what I wanted to be--until they invented the
computer... I returned to college in 1978 and got my BS in CS in
1981
along with a BA in journalism, I completed my MS in CS in '83...
since then I have always taught a night class at the local jr.
college
and continue to take classes at the local university to stay
current
and be with fresh young minds...


Gee John ...then why are your posts so bizzare ??? I really don't
like to
prejudge anyone but your comments over the last several months
really don't
reflect the above ...I am sorry if I say this but I am a bit
surprized ....
I deal a lot with "old timers" in my profession .....and I find them
interesting and their journey through this life more so in a
positive rather
then a negative ..... Also comments about people with problems,
disabilities
and diseases don't fit.


Get real... lay down the opium pipe and step out of the gutter!


Huh .....???? oh well ...never tried the stuff thank God but I
do like
a couple of beers now and then ....


And, I just consider myself an average guy (you should see my
sister,
she has all the brains in the family!)... of course, I do live in a
nice neighborhood and have nice neighbors...

John


I'm glad you do ...as I have good ones also ....have to tell you one
of
these days about my old ones ... .."adventures in paradise" ......
complete
with the pit bulls and multiple 20 second visits from strangers
throughout
the day ....

Take care John ...73 Tom KI3R