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John Smith wrote:
Dave:

Yeah, I am always so hung up on spelling and grammer I can't focus unless
it is perfect... there are both meds and psyche help for it, I hope those
who can't cope with this severe disability on their own avail themselves
of what is available...

what is realy amazing that if I typed in Morse I am sure theyd mange to
get all of it no problem

John

On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 23:04:08 +0000, Dave Heil wrote:

an_old_friend wrote:
my coment will be sent when I have them polished enough of course

To the FCC the little details are important, Indeed my coments will
likey be typed by one of the pool of typists I use professionaly

I think little details like spelling and grammar and important to a
number of us here in r.r.a.p. Why not have the pool of typists polish
the stuff you intend to post here?

Dave K8MN

"an old friend" wrote in message
ups.com...

Dave Heil wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
my coment will be sent when I have them polished enough of course

To the FCC the little details are important, Indeed my coments will
likey be typed by one of the pool of typists I use professionaly

I think little details like spelling and grammar and important to a
number of us here in r.r.a.p. Why not have the pool of typists polish
the stuff you intend to post here?

you want to pay the bill? you are being mighty generous with my money
there Dave

and the typists do only part of the work of course

and when you going to use em yourself "..spelling and grammar and
important.."

Dave K8MN

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Y'all just need to learn we are all hooman....

Kim W5TIT

an old friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

an_old_friend wrote:

my coment will be sent when I have them polished enough of course

To the FCC the little details are important, Indeed my coments will
likey be typed by one of the pool of typists I use professionaly

I think little details like spelling and grammar and important to a
number of us here in r.r.a.p. Why not have the pool of typists polish
the stuff you intend to post here?

you want to pay the bill? you are being mighty generous with my money
there Dave

Right. I know things are tough, Mark. You can't be bothered and your
inability to present coherent material here is everyone else's problem.

and the typists do only part of the work of course

The trained chimps take care of the rest?

and when you going to use em yourself "..spelling and grammar and
important.."

You can see my single typo and can't notice any of yours? Any sympathy
I had over your affliction just went down another notch.

Dave K8MN

an old friend wrote:
John Smith wrote:

Dave:

Yeah, I am always so hung up on spelling and grammer I can't focus unless
it is perfect... there are both meds and psyche help for it, I hope those
who can't cope with this severe disability on their own avail themselves
of what is available...

what is realy amazing that if I typed in Morse I am sure theyd mange to
get all of it no problem

Gibberish "typed in morse" would still be gibberish.

Dave K8MN

"K4YZ" wrote in message
ups.com...
Well, well, well....................

After I posted my comments and recovered from laughing at Lennie's
predictably pessimistic and mistruthful diatribe, I started to look
over some of the other comments.

Then I decided to just cut to the chase and search by names for
the rest of you.

Other than myself and Lennie, I only found ONE other semi-regular
of this group had cared enough to comment: WA2ISE.

Missing? K0HB, W5TIT, N8UZE, W5DXP, K2UNK, N2EY, AA2QA, K3LT,
W3RV, KB9RQZ, N0IMD, WK3C, W1RFI, N3KIP, KC2HMZ, K8MN.
Soooooooooooo......
Where is everyone from BOTH sides of the aisle?
--------------
OK, here's what I (K2UNK) just sent in:
1. I have been an amateur for over 45 years

and hold an Extra class license. I fully

endorse the proposed rules changes by

the FCC in NPRM 05-235 which, if

so adopted will end all code testing.

2. The discussion and debate on the need

for any code testing was fully covered some

5 years ago by the FCC with not one

compelling reason identified that could justify

continued code testing except for the

international treaty to which the USA was

a party to.

3. As the FCC clearly notes, that treaty has now

eliminated (via WRC-2003) any required code

testing and now clears the path for full deletion

of code testing for USA amateurs.

4. Accordingly, and in the absence of any new

compelling rational to retain a code test, the

FCC has only one logical choice.end all code

Testing.

Respectfully,

Bill Sohl, K2UNK

From: "b.b." on Wed 3 Aug 2005 16:22

wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

Well, well, well....................
After I posted my comments and recovered from laughing at
Other than myself and Lennie, I only found ONE other semi-
regular
of this group had cared enough to comment: WA2ISE.

Missing? K0HB, W5TIT, N8UZE, W5DXP, K2UNK, N2EY, AA2QA,
K3LT,
W3RV, KB9RQZ, N0IMD, WK3C, W1RFI, N3KIP, KC2HMZ, K8MN.

Steve,

W5DXP, K3LT, WK3C, and W1RFI haven't posted to rrap in a long time.

Cecil decided to focus on antennas soon after the 2000 restructuring.
He said in here that 5 wpm was the right level,
he resigned his NCI membership and went on to other things.

Larry's work and other interests caused him to spend his time
differently.

Carl has shown up once or twice but his main focuses have been
his job, house, anti-BPL and NCI duties. Heck, he was so busy it
took him a year to get his Extra and vanity call.

Ed has been focused on fighting BPL. He's also an ARRL staffer, so he
may prefer not to even give the appearance of a conflict.

Smart boy.

The Miccolis Amateur Detective Agency (MADA) can't take it any
more... :-)

Or maybe its a new gubmint intelligence agency, the MIA (Miccolis
Intercode Agency)...

Soooooooooooo......

Where is everyone from BOTH sides of the aisle?

It's only been a few days. There are weeks to go yet.

K4YZ demands immediate replies!!!

NOW, NOW, NOW!!! :-)

Look at the responses - most of them are "Brief Comments", meaning a
short yea or nay. Many are embarrassing in their
poor spelling, grammar, capitalization and punctuation. Better
to spend some time proofreading and polishing.

Making fun of the dyslexic?

PCTA extras LOVE to humiliate anyone with anything different
from their viewpoints.

There's almost 600 Comments in the ECFS now and the daily number
is increasing. The "brief comments" exist on BOTH sides of the
code test issue.

There's also the perception some have that the whole thing may be a
done deal already.

It was a done deal in the 70's. The gov't just works vewwy, vewwy
swoly.

Actually, the official word from the gubmint came in 1990 on the
worth of the code test to the FCC for amateur radio licenses.
See FCC 90-53 on the creation of the no-code-test Technician
class.

But...with no less than EIGHTEEN petitions to change U.S. ham
radio AND about six thousand Comments on same, the petitions'
main themes showing LITTLE of the "consensus" that the FCC
mentioned, it's a wonder that an NPRM appeared this soon (in
my opinion).

Suppose the majority of commenters want code testing to stay,

Huh??? Where did you get that hair-brained idea? Who redefined
"majority???"

Jimmie doesn't get out much, doesn't understand the rest of the
"amateur community" other than his immediate Code Club.

With 3 August almost over, the FOR:AGAINST ratio is 392:129 or
3.1:1 on WT Docket 05-235. [575 total Comments to date, with
54 of those "in-betweeners" or duplicate Comments]

either as
it is now or maybe just for Extra.

Or maybe just for wishful thinking...

Only about 9.4% of Comments to date are "in-betweeners"
or duplicates. Most of those in-betweeners wish to have
code testing MOSTLY for extras...but a tiny few want FAST
code for ALL...:-)

Will that make any difference at all
to what FCC does? Back in 1999, a member of NCI read and tallied up the
comments and found that the *majority*
wanted either two or three code test speeds. Yet FCC went to 5 wpm
only.

Hi!!!

Now you think the FCC will reverse itself after releasing this NPRM?

Hi, hi, hi!!!

Tsk, tsk, tsk...Jimmie is a SORE loser...no, he's a BITTER
SORE LOSER, wanting to re-fight and re-fight all the OLD
issues in order to "win" something.

On another note, I notice both Maia and West haven't said a
word
either...guess they figure they'll sell books one way or the
other...

Almost everything NCVEC wanted in their second petition was denied.

Ditto N2EY requests...

Tsk, tsk. EIGHT Petitions (mostly pro-coders) were DENIED
while TEN Pentitons were "GRANTED in part."

Jimmie's "Blackguard" and "Quitefine" personalities are
beginning to emerge, wanting to FIGHT! :-)

Old battles, old fighting, done again hoping to "win" for
once. He ought to realize it won't work...be he no do.

btw, you missed the biggest hoot in Len's comments - the part where he
says he offers an "objective" view...AS IF!

Looks objective to me. No toob equipment.

Give Jimmie SOME credit...he may have learned how to design solid-
state circuitry by now...but so far, all he's built of that are
KITS designed by others.

As far as the vast majority of commenters, I would be OBJECTIVE
on this issue since I have NO vested interest in preserving a
license title/rank/status/privilege of any kind. Last I heard,
the FCC was accepting Comments from ALL CITIZENS, not just the
minority in the "clubhouse" looking out at the rest of the world
(and wondering why no one respects them for their "radio
pioneer" work). :-)

new old

From: John Smith on Wed 3 Aug 2005 06:57

Kim:

Good post, I can't disagree with much there. People are funny, no
accounting for some of their views, beliefs and ways, I guess.

One thing we can hold faith in, if some strive to hold back progress as
much as it looks like the are to me, I believe strongly they will only
fail. As, anyone over-looking our past can plainly see, the only thing
which has truly been consistant is the push forward, always on to new
technology and better hardware and methods.

Some fear tomorrow, some can't wait for it to get here...

John, what the PCTAs FEAR is losing their precious prestige
and sense of self-worth from their Nobel-quality achievement
of federally-tested morsemanship. When that is gone, they
don't have much of anything else.

Remember what Stebie Rosebud said out loud in here..."it's
all about the LICENSE." That's all it is to him, apparently.

out dit

an_old_friend wrote:
my coment will be sent when I have them polished enough of course

To the FCC the little details are important, Indeed my coments will
likey be typed by one of the pool of typists I use professionaly

What you NEED is Ms. Cleo to read your mind and save those poor
saps the effort of defragging your written trash.

Steve, K4YZ

an old friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
Michael Coslo wrote:

I figured that I would reserve my comments for a place that had a
better chance of having an effect on the decision. That would be in
rrap! ;^)

I gave up on RRAP being any usable place for ANY kind of debate
other than flame throwing and frustration venting years ago, Mike.

then consider giving up your mudslinging

Then consider stopping providing so much dirt and water.

Steve, K4YZ