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Steve,
The comment period isn't OPEN yet (the release of the NPRM by the FCC doesn't "start the clock," it's the publication in the Federal Register, which has not yet happened. Thus, technically speaking, while the docket is open in the ECFS, comments filed now are "premature," so I would suggest you consider refraining from "dis-ing" people over something where they are behaving in a completely appropriate manner. I fully intend to file my comments on the NPRM within the appropriate, prescribed time window. I expect others who understand the comment/reply comment process, as prescribed by the Administrative Procedures Act will likewise file their comments in the appropriate, prescribed time window. 73, Carl - wk3c "K4YZ" wrote in message ups.com... Well, well, well.................... After I posted my comments and recovered from laughing at Lennie's predictably pessimistic and mistruthful diatribe, I started to look over some of the other comments. Then I decided to just cut to the chase and search by names for the rest of you. Other than myself and Lennie, I only found ONE other semi-regular of this group had cared enough to comment: WA2ISE. Missing? K0HB, W5TIT, N8UZE, W5DXP, K2UNK, N2EY, AA2QA, K3LT, W3RV, KB9RQZ, N0IMD, WK3C, W1RFI, N3KIP, KC2HMZ, K8MN. Soooooooooooo...... Where is everyone from BOTH sides of the aisle? On another note, I notice both Maia and West haven't said a word either...guess they figure they'll sell books one way or the other... 73 Steve, K4YZ |
John Smith wrote: N2EY: Yes, your list there shows how quite insane FCC licensing has been, however, the arrl has to bear a lot of this blame also, they used political pressures for their personal gains. The longest journey begins but with the first step, there are many necessary steps now to bring amateur radio back in line with sanity... John So what is your solution? Would you eliminate the technical parts of the tests because hams aren't required to build or fix their rigs? Would you eliminate all mode-specific and band-specific questions because hams aren't required to use any specific band or mode? Would you eliminate all technology-specific questions because hams aren't required to use any specific technology? *Besides* eliminating the code test, what would *you* change about the license tests? On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 13:50:13 -0700, N2EY wrote: wrote: Perhaps someone can clear up one issue for me.....why do we take a morse code test to gain access to phone portions of the bands? It has never made sense to me that you had to pass a code test to operate HF phone..... For the same reasons that you take tests which include questions on homebrewing to use manufactured radio sets. For the same reasons that you take tests which include questions on voice modes to use Morse Code and data modes. For the same reasons that you take tests which include questions on the limits of VHF/UHF ham bands to operate on the HF/MF ham bands. For the same reasons that you take tests which include questions on RF exposure and electrical safety to use low power battery-operated rigs. For the same reasons that you take tests which include questions on transistors and ICs to use vacuum tube rigs. Etc. Suppose someone wanted to operate a low-power Morse Code amateur radio transceiver on 7020 kHz. Just a simple 50 watt transceiver and dipole antenna, with key and speaker. To operate legally, such a person would need an Extra class license, which requires passing tests that include all sorts of stuff that is unnecessary for the legal and correct operation of the above station. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
Carl R. Stevenson wrote: Steve, The comment period isn't OPEN yet (the release of the NPRM by the FCC doesn't "start the clock," it's the publication in the Federal Register, which has not yet happened. Thus, technically speaking, while the docket is open in the ECFS, comments filed now are "premature," so I would suggest you consider refraining from "dis-ing" people over something where they are behaving in a completely appropriate manner. I fully intend to file my comments on the NPRM within the appropriate, prescribed time window. I expect others who understand the comment/reply comment process, as prescribed by the Administrative Procedures Act will likewise file their comments in the appropriate, prescribed time window. Yo: Welcome back. Right on. Lotta premature all of it. Like my Economics 101 prof would probably describe it "it's the result of pent up adrenaline". Been meaning to get to you about the tower. I'll drop you a line over the weekend. dit-dit? 73, Carl - wk3c w3rv |
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wrote in message oups.com... Perhaps someone can clear up one issue for me.....why do we take a morse code test to gain access to phone portions of the bands? It has never made sense to me that you had to pass a code test to operate HF phone..... John T. W5KXO San Antonio, Texas Because it is one of the basics of amateur radio. There are a number of things that you have to learn as basics that you may never use. A fundamental introduction to these basics is valuable in allowing the operator to better judge whether the subject is interesting enough to pursue further. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"K4YZ" wrote in message ups.com... Well, well, well.................... After I posted my comments and recovered from laughing at Lennie's predictably pessimistic and mistruthful diatribe, I started to look over some of the other comments. Then I decided to just cut to the chase and search by names for the rest of you. Other than myself and Lennie, I only found ONE other semi-regular of this group had cared enough to comment: WA2ISE. Missing? K0HB, W5TIT, N8UZE, W5DXP, K2UNK, N2EY, AA2QA, K3LT, W3RV, KB9RQZ, N0IMD, WK3C, W1RFI, N3KIP, KC2HMZ, K8MN. Soooooooooooo...... Where is everyone from BOTH sides of the aisle? On another note, I notice both Maia and West haven't said a word either...guess they figure they'll sell books one way or the other... 73 Steve, K4YZ I haven't decided whether to comment or not. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Dee Flint wrote: I haven't decided whether to comment or not. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE I'd strongly suggest that you comment, Dee, regardless of what your comments are. And regardless of whether they affect the outcome at all. For one thing, although some folks claim to know what the majority wants, the fact of that won't be known until all the comments are in. Last time, the majority didn't get what they wanted, though.... Of course someone trustworthy will have to read and categorize all the comments for us to know what the majority wants. That was done back in 1998. If nothing else, all of us can at least say that we let FCC know where we stood. -- One thing that I found unsettling about 98-143 was how *few* comments were filed. FCC was proposing the biggest shakeup of the license and test structure in many years, and they got maybe 2200 comments - from an amateur population of almost 700,000 hams (not counting expired-but-in-the-grace-period licenses, clubs, etc.) Such a low turnout is troubling, particularly considering how easy FCC has made it to file comments. There's ECFS, which can accept a brief comment typed-in, or a lengthier one as a file attachment. There's comments by mail, in paper or electronic format. 98-143 had a very long comment period, yet only about 1 in 300 US hams commented at all. Back in the 1960s, when FCC proposed the changes that came to be known as "incentive licensing", they got over 6000 comments. There were only about 250,000 US hams back then, with no internet, no email, no word-processing, etc. Last time I looked there were over 600 comments on file. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
K4YZ wrote: b.b. wrote: K4YZ wrote: Michael Coslo wrote: I figured that I would reserve my comments for a place that had a better chance of having an effect on the decision. That would be in rrap! ;^) I gave up on RRAP being any usable place for ANY kind of debate No kidding? You're the #1 problem. Actually, I'd put myself around 5th or 6th. We're making progress, then. I'm suprised you even think that you're on the problem list. |
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