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Dave Heil wrote:

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Maybe he has re-thought his claim about his being able to use CW.


nope I just don't bet with folks that are not trustworthy

What's not to trust, Mark? I'm not like you, a confessed liar of
convenience. The scores would be submitted to the ARRL. They'd be
documented. It isn't like a real bet. No money changes hands. It is
just your opportunity to demonstrate that you're a CW op.

Dave K8MN

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but of course you have no sense of humor either

I'm responding to you, aren't I?

more nonsesne from Dave


but again proving you aren't reading, the nonsense is your claim that
you have a sense of humor

I'm responding to you, aren't I?

another dave fabrication

What nonsense, Mark? You said you could use CW. Use it. Take up the
challenge. I've given you ten to one odds. You make 100 QSOs and I'd
have to make at least 1,000 to win. How easy do I have to make it for you?


Why take you up on a challenge? What do I gain? If I shoudl prvail you
will not adknoweldge it or admit to it. if I should fail then you will
keep going on about til you become a SK. I have work CW on FD and
frankly this year I am looking forward to trying FD from Home with my
own station, and to have fun doing it, so I am bussy and you are
offering a challenge with no upside, to replace my plans. and then you
dare wonder why I am not interested


I'm a no-"nonsesne" kind of guy.


you are full of nonsense, and full of **** for that matter

Does this mean that you do not accept the very generous challenge I've
put before you?

what generous challenge? I haven't seen one put to me.

I have seen you try to bait to do something you will find or invent a
way to prevert

if you make a generous challenge I'll respond to it (respond as in
consider accepting) till then

Dave K8MN

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Of course you haven't they don't talk about that in Morse Code

During FD 2002, 2003, 2004 and 2005, none of the ops present sat about
chatting in morse code. I use any number of modes in my amateur radio
operation, Mark.

You do as you can; I'll do as I choose.


I can use any mode I want Dave we have had that dicussion before even
CW if I like

Super, Mark. Next Field Day, you do your CW thing with a PC and morse
reading software. I'll do it the old-fashioned way and work CW only.
We'll see if you can really operate CW or whether you're blowing smoke.
If I don't beat you by a 10:1 QSO ratio, I'll relent and consider you a
real CW op. I'm even willing to proclaim it here if you accept the
challenge. Logs must be submitted to the ARRL.

but of course you have no sense of humor either

I'm responding to you, aren't I?

Dave K8MN

More likely you could beat him 100:1 since even I could probably manage 10:1
as I suspect that you are far better than I. One member of our club set a
new personal best last Field Day of 1000 contacts on 40 meters mixed CW and
phone. At least half of them were CW.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

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I'm responding to you, aren't I?

Dave K8MN

More likely you could beat him 100:1 since even I could probably manage 10:1
as I suspect that you are far better than I. One member of our club set a
new personal best last Field Day of 1000 contacts on 40 meters mixed CW and
phone. At least half of them were CW.\

boy you are in deep mis elitist Bitch

but of course I know Daves style on here

Asuming I accept his challenge and win I gain nothing of value since
Dave will never adknowledge it

but neither of you nor can both of you bait me into accepting
challange that wouls be adknowledged

Dave's history of evasion is clear on that score

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

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Dave Heil wrote:

an old friend wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:

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but of course you have no sense of humor either

I'm responding to you, aren't I?

more nonsesne from Dave


but again proving you aren't reading, the nonsense is your claim that
you have a sense of humor

I'm responding to you, aren't I?


another dave fabrication

It is a fabrication that I'm responding to you? Have it your way, Mark.

What nonsense, Mark? You said you could use CW. Use it. Take up the
challenge. I've given you ten to one odds. You make 100 QSOs and I'd
have to make at least 1,000 to win. How easy do I have to make it for you?


Why take you up on a challenge? What do I gain? If I shoudl prvail you
will not adknoweldge it or admit to it. if I should fail then you will
keep going on about til you become a SK. I have work CW on FD and
frankly this year I am looking forward to trying FD from Home with my
own station, and to have fun doing it, so I am bussy and you are
offering a challenge with no upside, to replace my plans. and then you
dare wonder why I am not interested

You'd gain a modicum of respect from others and a mountain of
self-respect if you won. I've already acknowledged that I'll be happy
to recognize your accomplishment right here. The scores will appear on
the ARRL website. You could even operate from your home station while I
sit out in the weeds with a makeshift antenna (a very, very good
makeshift antenna). If you're too busy, I understand. I'd hate to upset
your carefully made plans.

I'm a no-"nonsesne" kind of guy.


you are full of nonsense, and full of **** for that matter

Does this mean that you do not accept the very generous challenge I've
put before you?


what generous challenge? I haven't seen one put to me.

I think I have gained some insight into your reading comprehension problem.

I have seen you try to bait to do something you will find or invent a
way to prevert

You're the "prevert", Mark. I've offered a challenge which is more than
fair.

if you make a generous challenge I'll respond to it (respond as in
consider accepting) till then

I've upped my QSO ratio offer to 15:1. How much of a "gimme" do I need
to offer before you consider it generous, Mark? After all, you've
claimed that *you* can use CW.

Dave K8MN

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Of course you haven't they don't talk about that in Morse Code

During FD 2002, 2003, 2004 and 2005, none of the ops present sat about
chatting in morse code. I use any number of modes in my amateur radio
operation, Mark.

You do as you can; I'll do as I choose.


I can use any mode I want Dave we have had that dicussion before even
CW if I like

Super, Mark. Next Field Day, you do your CW thing with a PC and morse
reading software. I'll do it the old-fashioned way and work CW only.
We'll see if you can really operate CW or whether you're blowing smoke.
If I don't beat you by a 10:1 QSO ratio, I'll relent and consider you a
real CW op. I'm even willing to proclaim it here if you accept the
challenge. Logs must be submitted to the ARRL.


but of course you have no sense of humor either

I'm responding to you, aren't I?

Dave K8MN


More likely you could beat him 100:1 since even I could probably manage 10:1
as I suspect that you are far better than I.

That'd be tight in a 24 hour event, Dee. As to better (faster?), I've
been doing it a lot longer. I was a contester before my traveling days
but the pileups during the African years gave me plenty of opportunity
to practice. I think the best 48 hour QSO total I've made was in '91 or
so from Sierra Leone with something like 3500 CW QSOs. I operated 40 or
so hours of the contest. I'm actually a lot better Phone op. :-)

One member of our club set a
new personal best last Field Day of 1000 contacts on 40 meters mixed CW and
phone. At least half of them were CW.

He's doing really well, especially on a single band with typical FD
antennas.

N8NN and I've split the FD operating time in 2002, 2003 (those years
with K8MN in '02 and N8NN in '03) and 2004 (in '04 we ran CW under the
W8CAL call with the local ARES group). I spent part of this year's
event at K4CO in northern Kentucky.

Dave K8MN

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I'm responding to you, aren't I?

Dave K8MN

More likely you could beat him 100:1 since even I could probably manage 10:1
as I suspect that you are far better than I. One member of our club set a
new personal best last Field Day of 1000 contacts on 40 meters mixed CW and
phone. At least half of them were CW.\


boy you are in deep mis elitist Bitch

Why don't you exercise some civility and self-control?

but of course I know Daves style on here

Asuming I accept his challenge and win I gain nothing of value since
Dave will never adknowledge it

I've stated here (this makes the third time) that I'll publicly
acknowledge your CW operating prowess in this forum. The scores would
be submitted to the ARRL for publication on the League website.
The League's results are broken down into QSOs and final score.
We'll go strictly by the number of QSOs made during the FD period.
I'll take your worthless word that you've had no assistance, other than
from your computer. You may have one, two or three individuals,
mutually agreed on by us, to watch me like a hawk during the entire
operation, if you like.

but neither of you nor can both of you bait me into accepting
challange that wouls be adknowledged

You would receive your due if you were to actually come up with 1 QSO to
my 15 QSOs. You know there is a catch, of course, and that is making
you leary. The catch is that you know and I know that you can't succeed
and that I'd pound you like a drum. I don't blame you for being a
little nervous. After all, your self-respect is on the line.

Dave's history of evasion is clear on that score

That's a sheer fabrication, and you know it. You're simply ducking the
challenge. It's okay to know your limitations and to abide by them,
even if you have to weasel by trying to raise some non-existent "history
of evasion". Is it on or isn't it?

Dave K8MN

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I'm responding to you, aren't I?

Dave K8MN

More likely you could beat him 100:1 since even I could probably manage 10:1
as I suspect that you are far better than I. One member of our club set a
new personal best last Field Day of 1000 contacts on 40 meters mixed CW and
phone. At least half of them were CW.\


boy you are in deep mis elitist Bitch


Why don't you exercise some civility and self-control?

I am I am in full control of myself, and the object of the address has
stated that she does not find it offensive or insulting



but of course I know Daves style on here

Asuming I accept his challenge and win I gain nothing of value since
Dave will never adknowledge it

I've stated here (this makes the third time) that I'll publicly

And I don't believe you

acknowledge your CW operating prowess in this forum. The scores would
be submitted to the ARRL for publication on the League website.

but that mans Id have to NOT support my club for FD overwise my scorre
will be lumped in with theirs

The League's results are broken down into QSOs and final score.
We'll go strictly by the number of QSOs made during the FD period.
I'll take your worthless word that you've had no assistance, other than

and I don't believe youd take my word

from your computer. You may have one, two or three individuals,
mutually agreed on by us, to watch me like a hawk during the entire
operation, if you like.

right like I know anyone in WV

but neither of you nor can both of you bait me into accepting
challange that wouls be adknowledged

You would receive your due if you were to actually come up with 1 QSO to
my 15 QSOs. You know there is a catch, of course, and that is making

The catch is you don't tell the turth and so I don't believe you

you leary. The catch is that you know and I know that you can't succeed
and that I'd pound you like a drum. I don't blame you for being a
little nervous. After all, your self-respect is on the line.

Dave's history of evasion is clear on that score

That's a sheer fabrication, and you know it. You're simply ducking the

no it is simple truth, You spent weeks refusing to answer simple
questions. You will likely find some way of evading admitting to my
sucess assuming I pull it off and we (the NG) will never hear the end
of it if i should fail.

If I were to accept a "chalenge" in which no desirable outcome is
possiblethen I would the fool you claim I am

challenge. It's okay to know your limitations and to abide by them,
even if you have to weasel by trying to raise some non-existent "history
of evasion". Is it on or isn't it?

Dave K8MN

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Dave Heil wrote:

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I'm responding to you, aren't I?

More likely you could beat him 100:1 since even I could probably manage 10:1
as I suspect that you are far better than I. One member of our club set a
new personal best last Field Day of 1000 contacts on 40 meters mixed CW and
phone. At least half of them were CW.\


boy you are in deep mis elitist Bitch


Why don't you exercise some civility and self-control?


I am I am in full control of myself, and the object of the address has
stated that she does not find it offensive or insulting

....and you have no thought at all for anyone else who might find it
offensive or insulting.

but of course I know Daves style on here

Asuming I accept his challenge and win I gain nothing of value since
Dave will never adknowledge it

I've stated here (this makes the third time) that I'll publicly


And I don't believe you

It was all set up in your favor, Mark, the odds, the reporting of scores
to ARRL, monitoring of my activity but no monitoring of your activity,
your use of PC and code reading software.

acknowledge your CW operating prowess in this forum. The scores would
be submitted to the ARRL for publication on the League website.


but that mans Id have to NOT support my club for FD overwise my scorre
will be lumped in with theirs

Didn't you just tell me that you'd planned to operate from home? How
were you going to support your club's effort from your home? You can't
add your home score to your club's efforts from a different location.

The League's results are broken down into QSOs and final score.
We'll go strictly by the number of QSOs made during the FD period.
I'll take your worthless word that you've had no assistance, other than


and I don't believe youd take my word

Your word has been proven worthless, but I've said I'd accept it.

from your computer. You may have one, two or three individuals,
mutually agreed on by us, to watch me like a hawk during the entire
operation, if you like.


right like I know anyone in WV

I live near eastern Ohio and Southwestern Pennsylvania. You have months
and months to find some people.

but neither of you nor can both of you bait me into accepting
challange that wouls be adknowledged

You would receive your due if you were to actually come up with 1 QSO to
my 15 QSOs. You know there is a catch, of course, and that is making


The catch is you don't tell the turth and so I don't believe you

Every word I've told you is the truth. I've publicly offered the
challenge here. I've offered for my operation to be monitored.
How much spine do you have? How much of an advantage do you need?
Think of your recent postings about how you could identify a morse
distress call and handle the message traffic using your PC and
code-reading software. Doesn't your self-respect enter into this?

you leary. The catch is that you know and I know that you can't succeed
and that I'd pound you like a drum. I don't blame you for being a
little nervous. After all, your self-respect is on the line.


Dave's history of evasion is clear on that score

That's a sheer fabrication, and you know it. You're simply ducking the


no it is simple truth, You spent weeks refusing to answer simple
questions.

Nothing whatever necessitates my answering any of your questions on any
topic. Deal with it.

You will likely find some way of evading admitting to my
sucess assuming I pull it off and we (the NG) will never hear the end
of it if i should fail.

I can assure that the newsgroup will never hear the end of it when you
fail. It would never hear the end of it if *I* failed. This is a real,
one-on-one challenge of operating skills--man and machine vs. man and
his brain. The worst it will cost you is years of humiliation and
jeering. Now think of how it would be if I somehow lost to you.
Wouldn't that be sweet? I could stumble coming out of the blocks. I
could have miscalculated the odds and given you too much of an advantage
for me to ever overcome. I'd even skip the part about you having to
kiss my ass on the fifty-yard line at a WVU home game at halftime. What
*if*, Mark?

If I were to accept a "chalenge" in which no desirable outcome is
possiblethen I would the fool you claim I am

Then you've been painted into a corner, Mark. You won't accept the
challenge, even with a 15:1 advantage. You're sure to get walloped if
you do take the challenge. Maybe you aren't one who can operate CW.
Maybe all that stuff about code-reading software being as good as a
human op was simply guff.

Dave K8MN

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an Old friend wrote:
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Why don't you exercise some civility and self-control?


I am I am in full control of myself, and the object of the address has
stated that she does not find it offensive or insulting

...and you have no thought at all for anyone else who might find it
offensive or insulting.

then don't read it was targeted for you anyway

You have no right not to be offended

You bitch if I lie but you bitch if I tell the truth, so what should I
do? I choose to do as I think best

In using that form of address I choose to be honest about my assement
of the target, and to state so plainly (avoiding it here since I am
addressing you so I show my thoughtfullness for everyone else)

you have no thought for offending folks yourself why should I be held
to higher standard than you.

You will not even allow me to say "thank God" without flaming me

I will now remind you of the word of the figure you call the Lord God,
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" the Gospel according
Matthew I believe.

risking being held over bearing (but claiming full licesen after your
efforts to lecture me about my religion) I will point that many
religous scholars hold this as a injuction against comdeming, since
(accrdoing to Christain faith) we are all sinners

You failure to follow the teachings of your faith, while seeking to ram
your morality down my throat is one of the reasons I refuse to trust
you, and decline your "Challenge"

but of course I know Daves style on here

Asuming I accept his challenge and win I gain nothing of value since
Dave will never adknowledge it

I've stated here (this makes the third time) that I'll publicly


And I don't believe you

It was all set up in your favor, Mark, the odds, the reporting of scores
to ARRL, monitoring of my activity but no monitoring of your activity,
your use of PC and code reading software.

but it doesn't anything if I don't trust you, and I don't trust you
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The catch is you don't tell the turth and so I don't believe you

Every word I've told you is the truth. I've publicly offered the
challenge here. I've offered for my operation to be monitored.
How much spine do you have? How much of an advantage do you need?
Think of your recent postings about how you could identify a morse
distress call and handle the message traffic using your PC and
code-reading software. Doesn't your self-respect enter into this?

I don't beleive you, it is as simple as that.

I don't beleive you'd ever accept the results if they work in my favor

Your apporeval is not needed by me for my self respect (thank god) I
know I can work CW if I wish, wether I can work it as well as (or
1/10th 100x beter) you or not is not important to me

Believe it or not I am not into the same sorts of Macho games you seem
to be into
having spent as much BW on this as I feel like right now cutting the
rest