wrote


Jim didn't have a chance to chime in before Hans blew his troll. Too
bad.


There is no voodoo or magic associated with RF
propagation. There are several perfectly sound
technical reasons why it is beneficial to occasionally
sacrifice a goat in your antenna field.

Beep beep

"an_old_friend" wrote in message
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wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote:
wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote:
cut
Had a guy who used to work for me who thought that participating in a
discussion was to zone out for most of the time, not paying any
particular attention, then jump on how I (or others in the
conversation)
pronounced a word, or some other trivial thing.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Yet I read every word that Hans wrote, that Dee wrote, and you wrote.
Trying to discredit me and attempting to compare me to one of your
substandard employees is not the right tactic to take. Try to stay on
topic and be rational. Thanks.

it is SOP around here esp when you don't have any facts to use


Oh...like you AOF? Like the ones you claim to have learned while living
with your parents all these years ? Or the ones you make up as you slur out
various incoherent statements?

Dan/W4NTI

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
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"KØHB" wrote in message
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wrote

Amateur radio isn't magical.

I think belief in magic IS a necessary requirement to really enjoy
Amateur Radio. Of course, you won't see a question concerning magic or
metaphysics on the test you take to obtain your license, but in your
heart you will come to believe in that powerful, intangible force.

All of us in the hobby have felt its influence at one time or another.
Some night when the band is dead as a doornail you'll be tuning
aimlessly, not expecting to hear a single signal because NOTHING could be
coming through at that hour. But then, rising out of the noise like a
ghost, there will be a faint call from another stalwart explorer
thousands of miles distant. You pounce, establish contact and both of
you marvel at the fact that the conversation is taking place at all. A
few minutes later, however, the signal vanishes as quickly as it came.
Your rational mind will shrug it off as a quirk of propagation, but that
little tingle in your gut will tell you otherwise.

If you could travel back in time to, say 500 years to 1505 AD, you'd
probably be burned at the nearest stake for even suggesting that two
human beings could communicate with each other over great distances
without a physical connection. No doubt they would accuse you of dabbling
in magic -- and they'd be right!

As Amateur Radio operators, we work feats of magic every day. Many of us
have become jaded about our powers and we tend to dismiss them as
commonplace. We hardly think twice when we use our equipment to sommon
the elemental forces of the universe. But every so often we need to pause
and remind ourselves of what we are really doing. We need to remember the
essence of what drew us to our unusual avocation in the first place: the
wonderful magic of wireless communications.

(With thanks to WB8IMY)

73, de Hans, K0HB
--
"Hark! I Have Hurled My Words To The Far Corners Of The Earth! What King
Of Old Could Do Thus?"
--AC6V


Yes it is the "magic" of wireless that is endlessly fascinating. The part
about "summon elemental forces of the universe" is awesome.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Dee,

I remember hearing about years ago when "Ether" was considered the medium of
how radio was propagated. That particular theory ran into trouble when we
started sending space shots up..

Dan/W4NTI

"an old friend" wrote in message
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Dan/W4NTI wrote:
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Cmd Buzz Corey wrote:
wrote:
It is a fun hobby, an activity done for
personal pleasure but one that requires federal regulation
due to the nature of EM propagation. Some want it to be
MUCH MORE than what it is in order to fulfill some kind of
daydream they have to show their personal greatness. shrug

And often it is MUCH MORE.

Yep. Often it is higher class hams dissing lower class hams.

As usual, ham radio operators help sustain wide-ranging relief
efforts

True enough. But those efforts must obey the same laws of physics that
the other radio services obey. Amateur radio isn't magical. Morse
code isn't magical, mystical, nor mythical.


So the "lower class" doesn't "diss" those with a higher class license?
Personally I think that must stop, from BOTH ends of the license
structure.

so when you going to stop?

And your right, Ham nor Morse is not magical, mystical, nor mythical.
But
Morse DOES WORK and so does Amateur Radio Emergency Communications. End
of
Discussion.

but how well does it work? what does it acheieve as opposed to what it
could do

you are showing your true colors

nothing may be questioed or discussed without accept your ground rules
in adnavnce


Dan/W4NTI


Let me make this as simple as I possible can for your intellect
level.........Stuff it somewhere that is DARK. Need any explanation
dip****?

Dan/W4NTI

Cmd Buzz Corey wrote:
wrote:

KØHB wrote:


I think belief in magic IS a necessary requirement to really
enjoy Amateur
Radio.



Depends on what you mean by "magic"...



In the earliest days of radio, those who purchased parts and built sets
to receive these radio waves were often accused of dabbling in magic.


We still are, it seems - quitesurprisingly!

- Mike KB3EIA -

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"KØHB" wrote in message
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wrote

Amateur radio isn't magical.


pruning
and remind ourselves of what we are really doing. We need to remember the
essence of what drew us to our unusual avocation in the first place: the
wonderful magic of wireless communications.

(With thanks to WB8IMY)

73, de Hans, K0HB
--
"Hark! I Have Hurled My Words To The Far Corners Of The Earth! What King
Of Old Could Do Thus?"
--AC6V


Yes it is the "magic" of wireless that is endlessly fascinating. The part
about "summon elemental forces of the universe" is awesome.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Dee,

I remember hearing about years ago when "Ether" was considered the mediumof
how radio was propagated. That particular theory ran into trouble when we
started sending space shots up..

wrong again Dan it was the Michealson and Morley (I doubt that I
spelled either name right) when they tried to used light and prsisms to
measure the speed at which the Earth was moving through that ether.
there results proved that the Pope who scantioned Galleio was wrong and
the earth was in fact center of the unverse (or at least not moving wrt
to that center) or form the basis of Special relitivity. this was well
before space shot.

Today it is comon expriment for college physics students in about their
3rd year (at least that is when I did)

but the demotration preceded Von Braun and Goddard by at least 30 years
maybe more like 40 to 50 years. indeed it may have preceeded radio
itself cant rememebr right off

Dan/W4NTI

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
oups.com...

wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote:
wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote:
cut
Had a guy who used to work for me who thought that participating in a
discussion was to zone out for most of the time, not paying any
particular attention, then jump on how I (or others in the
conversation)
pronounced a word, or some other trivial thing.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Yet I read every word that Hans wrote, that Dee wrote, and you wrote.
Trying to discredit me and attempting to compare me to one of your
substandard employees is not the right tactic to take. Try to stay on
topic and be rational. Thanks.

it is SOP around here esp when you don't have any facts to use


Oh...like you AOF?
not at all I don't need to resort to such things

Like the ones you claim to have learned while living
with your parents all these years ? Or the ones you make up as you slur out
various incoherent statements?

again you are the one making incoherant statement here Dan

again with the SOP attack the person not the facts when you have no
facts



Dan/W4NTI

Mike Coslo wrote:
wrote:

Yet I read every word that Hans wrote, that Dee wrote, and you wrote.
Trying to discredit me and attempting to compare me to one of your
substandard employees is not the right tactic to take. Try to stay on
topic and be rational. Thanks.


Quite frankly Brian, in this respect you are *exactly* like him. I am
not trying to discredit you, and have no need to.


- Mike KB3EIA -

Quite frankly, Mike, you cut my direct quotations of Hans, Dee, and
youself, then reiterate that like your "supposed" substandard employee
I don't know the subject at hand.

Why cut quotes of yourself if I don't have a handle on the subject
matter?

Did this employee have a name? Hi!

Is it Friday? I smell fish.

KØHB wrote:
wrote


Jim didn't have a chance to chime in before Hans blew his troll. Too
bad.


There is no voodoo or magic associated with RF
propagation.

Dee tends to think there is. Mike chimed in. Now you reneg on the
concept. They should "feel" suckered.

There are several perfectly sound
technical reasons why it is beneficial to occasionally
sacrifice a goat in your antenna field.

Beep beep

List them.

Mike Coslo wrote:
KØHB wrote:
wrote


I merely question your, Jim's, and Mike's exuberance
in questioning others faith in God. Why do it?


I don't question your faith. I'm sure it's genuine to you. Enjoy it, take
comfort in it, and may it be a blessing to you.

Perhaps it is a faith that cannot accept questioning? Some are like that.

- Mike KB3EIA -

If you only knew.