wrote:
From: on Oct 15, 8:14 am

There you go personalizing everything. You're just itching for a
fight, aren't you?.

Dudly the Imposter is a MIGHTY WARRIOR...on-screen. Off-screen
the best he can do is pose in some kind of uniform and pretend
to be a great "hero."

Any amount of service in any uniform, even sanitation service,
would be more than any service ever performed by Leonard H. Anderson in
ANY uniform.

He has dishonored his Nation, his Branch of Servuice and Unit with
his cowardly attempts to place himself beside Men who died in combat
for the SOLE PURPOSE of "polishing his brass" in a USENET forum.

Leonard H. Anderson is a coward and a liar.

Period.

Big Snip

Your buddy on the liberal coast is the ONLY one here who routinely
"rails against" anyone based upon RADIO (ie technical and theoretical)
experience.

Not true.

Is true. Unless we include you.

Citation, please.

Dudly the Imposter issues his own citations. He makes them up on
the spot to suit his personal HATRED of certain others.

And here we have Lennie PROVING his liarship.

Dudly seems to be the usual east-coastie kind of geographical
BIGOT. He wants to call anyone on the west coast of the United
States as a "liberal." Once in a while as a "leftist."

But you are. Your posts clearly establish it.

Tennessee doesn't have a seacoast at all. Dudly must have ENVY
of anyone being on any "coast."

I've been on both coasts. I've been on the gulf coast. I've been
on the South China Sea coast and the Japanese Pacific coast.

And Tennessee DOES have inland waterway ports which serve to
seaports. Several of them.

Without the hurricaines and "En Nino".

More Big Snip

However the Chairman and his staff DO have Amateurs on the FCC
payroll from whom thye take counsel.

Conflict of interest.

A few things on the above... First of all, the FCC has "counsel"
from LAWYERS since they are a legal regulatory agency of the federal
government. The FCC regulates MANY DIFFERENT radio services,
ALL the civil radio services in the United States.

Better break out the Websters and refresh your memory on what the
word "counsel" means, Lennie..

Secondly, I do have some experience in emergency communications,
but definitely not as an amateur. While that is irrelevant to this
so-
called "discussion," Dudly the Imposter is, as usual, WRONG in his
personal attacks.

What "experience"...?!?! Some 11 meter REACT team in 1965?

Loading some sandbags in 1971 doesn't hack it.

Cut-and-pastes from from OES websites in order to mount attacks in
this forum do not count as "experience".

Actually DOING IT counts as "experience".

Third, by definition of LAW, an amateur radio license grant covers
BOTH operator AND station.

Uh huh.

Something you don't have.

Fourth, "operating" any radio is just operating it. Dudly's
interpretation refers only to the use of on-off keying morse code
as "operation." Such morse code use is found only in the
AMATEUR service and a very few vessels in Maritime Radio Service.

Who's Dudly?

Yet another Leonard H. Anderson lie.

Again.

Fifth, expressing an OPINION on radio regulations is NOT any
pretense of being an "authority." It is just expression of an
OPINION. Dudly the Imposter has NO "authority" on radio
regulations. Neither do any of the current communicators in this
newsgroup.

Who's Dudly, and what is he an imposter of?

As for YOU and your OPINION in this forum, YOU have stated that
your SOLE purpose in this forum was to see to the removal of the Morse
Code test requirement for an Amateur Radio license.

That statement in and of itself establishes your deceitfulness
just by the "body count" of your other-than-Morse-related posts...And
ESPECIALLY by the personal attack/slander posts you've set in motion.

Sixth, Jim Haney, elected president of the ARRL, has been IN this
newsgroup some years ago, but only for a short while. I advised
him in private e-mail that this would lead to trouble within the
newsgroup from others who were not happy with ARRL policies...and
that would create a bad image of the ARRL as a result of flak from
those that (like Dudly) love to personally insult anyone.

The only trouble would come form you, Lennie.

This is a proven fact.

Seventh, the full organization of the FCC is explained on their
website, including all of the higher staff positions of Bureaus
and Offices and Working Groups. To reiterate, the FCC is not
concerned solely with amateur radio since their charter by LAW
is to regulate the ENTIRETY of civil radio in the United States.

What's to "reiterate"...?!?!

He's nothing of the sort.

Your adaptation of his diversion about how "we" allegedly "diss"
him along some ill-perceived lines of how radios work or RF propagates
is assinine.

Not true. Lie #4.

Is true. And I can see you're back in form.

Myself and others have "called" Lennie based upon NUMEROUS errors
as they pertain to Amateur Radio policy and practice.

Everyone makes mistakes. Even you as, I have pointed out so many times
before.

The "makes numerous errors" charge is another FALSE one, but often
used in newsgroups (even way back before USENET existed and all
there was was the original ARPANET) to color an opponents' posts.

Not "false". Absolutely true.

We can start out with your "the ARRL is dishonest" rants. More
than likely the reason for your "advice" to Jim Haney to rethink
participating in RRAP.

We can then move on to numerous regulatory errors you've made, ie:
the "radio service for recreational purpsoes only"...We STILL don't
have any references from you substantiating THAT one...

Your "ham radio is just for hobby communications" one has been
disproven over and over and over and......

Of course there are many, MANY "off topic" errors you've made on
non-Amateur Radio related subjects.

The "numerous errors" derive from certain individuals using THEIR
personal preferences as THE judgemental point...any deviation from
that personal preference is considered "wrong."...(SNIP)

Nope.

A deviation from FACTS gets your stuff labelled "wrong".

A typical one is
some kind of "fact" that morse code is supposed to be "basic to
the knowledge of any radio amateur." In itself that is false insofar
as operating any radio communication device of any radio service,
grounded in personal preferences. The morsemen try to "legalize"
that by playing barracks lawyer in the newsgroup and showing the
license test requirements as their "proof."

Whoa! Lennie accusing OTHERS of being "barracks lawyers".

Dudly the Imposter has never "pertained to amateur radio policy
and practice" but only repeated a few morse myths and posted many
news items (which he did not participate in nor did he report
as any kind of journalist).

Who's Dudly?

Dudly has not been able to categorize
subjects, cannot properly use all of the words he thinks are
'necessary' (such as "venue" or "licensure" lately, confusing
their application in other fields far removed from radio).

With the exception of the "nomenclature" (a favorite "See Mom! I
know big words!" word of Lennie's...) of specific devices, words are
words. "venue" and "licensure" can both be used in THIS forum as well
as any other where they may be appropriate.

Lennie's lame diversion on the use of some words is laughable.

Dudly
has NO ("zero-point-zero") experience in ANY radio communication
(other than perhaps CB) before 1970 and thus - by his own
standards - cannot possibly express any sort of qualified opinion
of amateur radio operation before then.

Who's Dudly?

And who said no one can comment on radio before 1970?

gee, Lennie...YOU are the one ALWAYS claiming that others stretch
their limits by discussing ANYthing that occured since you were born,
whether or not you played a part in it then or not...But let anyone
ELSE comment, and it's yet another rant from you....

You and he are the ONLY ones suggesting that the theory of
electronics or radio wave propagation are issues here.

You are the one suggesting it. Len and I are the ones pointing it out.

I'm just pointing out the HOLES in Dudly's "reasoning" and the
personal insults he continually hurls at certain individuals he
obsessively HATES.

Who's Dudly?

And so far, you've not pointed out any holes except in your own
stories, Lennie.

Lastly, the original argument was about contributions that
Amatuers made during WW2. All of the references I made were to
electronics-related fields for which AMATEURS were SPECIFCIALLY sought
and recruited due to thier already-demonstrated competency or skill in
radiocommunications.

Hmmmm? There's that damned one way valve again. Amateurs can jump in
and fill military and commercial radio roles, but commercial and
military radio Ops can have absolutely NO knowledge of amateur comms!

Hi, hi! Talk about an Iron Curtain! Your brain is on "diode."

Nope.

Where did I say that, Brian?

Then tell us how it works, again.

Brian, do not expect the impossible.

Why not?

He thinks that "admiring" liars and deceivers is an appropriate
character attribute.

Dudly the Imposter has NO existance prior to 1955.

Who's Dudly?

He cannot possibly "know" anything of World War 2 by personal experience.

Of course not. But then YOU presume to lecture us on WW2-era
programs despite the fact that you had not even reached puberty by
then.

All his input comes from AMATEUR RADIO literature.

Why do you INSIST on making comments that are so blatantly
dishonest, Lennie?

Such amateur radio literature is colored to favor the wish-fulfillment of radio amateurs.
Actually, the much wider field of electronics has considerable REAL history of
who did what for whom.

None of which includes the name "Leonard H. Anderson".

No one, myself included, ever stated that thier licensure was the
end-all or sole reason for thier employment or service.

Steve, K4YZ

Cronyism and Nepotism are as good reasons as any. You could do worse
by having someone who actually knows something about RF making comments
on the ARS.

What does knowing ANYthing about "RF" have to do with knowing
about the Amateur Radio service?

The FCC tests us on knowledge of RF for "licensure." Take it up with
them.

Apparently Dudly the Imposter does NOT know anything about "radio"
or the propagation of electromagnetic radiation! Or he has
forgotten anything to do with RF on his amateur radio license test.

Who's Dudly?

The Volunteer Examiner Coordinators' Question Pool Committee
generates the questions and answers for the amateur radio license
test. The FCC either approves or disapproves those questions and
answers. Testing of radio amateurs for their licenses is done
almost entirely by the Volunteer Examiner Coordinator groups (the
FCC can demand certain individuals to be tested by the FCC in
certain dispute cases...that is also the LAW).

Uh huh.

I've been a VE almost since the program's inception, Lennie...

Please remind us of how long YOU have been a VE...?!?!

The FCC does NOT use the term "licensure" in regards to amateur
radio licenses or the licensing process. That term is used in
some civil governments for licensing in other fields of activity.

Now Lennie the Moderator chooses our words for us.

I wasn't aware that we could only use words that appear in FCC
publications, Lennie...

Can you please show me where that rule is...?!?!

Dudly may think he is "highbrow" or an "authority" if he uses
the word "licensure."

Who's Dudly?

And you need to open a Websters once in a while, Lennie. You'd be
amazed at all the enat words in there.

I worked with many engineers in 2000. About a third of them were
Amateur licensees. The rest weren't. They were excellent in thier
fields. But they knew nothing of Amateur Radio.

Holy Cow! A third of the engineers were amateur radio operators but
knew nothing of Amateur Radio? Were they RF engineers?

Dudly the Imposter admitted he worked as a PURCHASING AGENT for
a set-top-box manufacturer.

Who's Dudly?

I, on the otherhand, worked for a research and development company
that was co-located with ANTEC in Duluth, GA. My only "affiliation"
with them was use of thier server for our Internet connections and
e-mail servers. We didn't manufacture anything. And it was for longer
than the "six months" that Lennie has also gotten wrong...repeatedly.

Purchasing Agents do NOT do any
sort of "design" work nor do they do any testing of the final
product, whatever that may be. Purchasing Agents are the
equivalent of technical bookkeepers and form-filler-outers and
their "communications knowledge" is limited to using a
telephone.

Wrong.

Again.

Dudly has "zero-point-zero" experience in electronics engineering
of any kind, "zero-point-zero" experience as a "bench top
technician" (in the industry). He has NO baseline for judgement
other than continually being obsessed with insulting others from
his obsessive HATRED.

Who's Dudly?

And sorry, Lennie, but I DO have "bench top technician"
experience.

Lennie's "knowledge" of "Amateur Radio" comes from having used an
Amateur Radio magazine to get his "writings" into print and from his
flailing's-about in this forum.

It's too bad that you are allowed to continue to denigrate a fine
amateur radio builders publication merely to discredit Len's articles
that were contained within it's covers.

Dudly the Imposter will insult anyone if he can make "message
points" and partially soothe his obsessive HATRED of some in
this newsgroup. [that is continually on display in here]

Who's Dudly?

And what are these "message points" you continually make reference
to?

I could list the Editors in Chief of Ham Radio magazine and
describe much of its 22-year independent existance as an
amateur radio technical publication. Suffice to say that all
22 years of articles in it are on a three-CD set available
from CQ or the ARRL bookstores for $150 (shipping charges
extra).

Yes, they are. And Leonard H. Anderson does NOT appear in all 22
years of it.

Nor were any of his articles IN it ever of much importance. Not a
single reference can be found that ever footnoted an LHA article.

Not one.

HR is still considered the "top" of the technical
periodicals for amateur radio worldwide (the RSGB's "Radio
Communication" magazine perhaps a close second). HR, like
CQ and 73, never had the backing of an entire membership
organization to assure it of continued existance (as QST
does) and they managed to exist for 22 years solely on
income from advertising sales. My hat is off and a salute
given to Jim Fisk (SK), Alf Wilson, Rich Rosen, and Terry
Northrup, wherever they are now, for editorial leadership
throughout those 22 years.

Too bad they made the decision to get you on board,
Lennie...Things went "toes-up" from there on out...

Tsk, I've written for other electronics magazines and have
had the pleasure of being acquainted with radio amateurs
since 1947...among them Gene Hubbell (the first H of H&H
Electronics in Rockford, IL, now SK), Captain William P.
Boss, Officer in Charge of ADA Transmitters (1953-1954),
Sergeant First Class Don Ross (NCOIC at ADA Transmitters
1954-1956, holder of an Amateur Extra as well as both
First Telegraph and First Phone Commercial licenses),
Eugene Rosenbaum (retired from the FAA and living in
Long Island, NY), Allan Walston (W6MJN, best man at my
wedding and co-worker in the RCA Cube Farm), James Hall
(KD6JG, retired and on the RCA network from near Grass
Valley, CA, on Saturdays), and a whole bunch of other
good people that I've known and/or worked with over the
last 58 years.

I am reminded of the guy who defends his racist behaviour by
citing his personal acquaintence with "persons of color" when I read
this.

Lennie "knew" some people in the same way a kid gets autographs.

"Mister Mister! Can I get my picture taken with you...?!?!"

It doesn't require personal acquaintenship
to "know about amateur radio" since nothing of it is
either "secret" or "sensitive" or "to be kept within the
confines of a fraternal order." United States amateur
radio is NOT a guild, union, or trade craft that takes
some kind of special learned-over-many-years experience,
nor is it some "national service" organization vital to
the nation. It is a fun hobby, an activity done for
personal pleasure but one that requires federal regulation
due to the nature of EM propagation. Some want it to be
MUCH MORE than what it is in order to fulfill some kind of
daydream they have to show their personal greatness. shrug

It IS "MUCH MORE"...

And THANKFULLY we do not have you in it's ranks.

Best of Luck.

For what? Pulling the rug out from underneath you and Lennie?

That didn't need luck...You make it all too easy.

You are truly delusional.

Dudly the Imposter is a delusional sociopath with an unfulfilled
ego. That manifests itself as an obssessive hatred of certain
individuals who will not suck up to him and his opinions. Tsk.

Who's Dudly?

Judging by the rest of the paragraph, I'd have to say it was
Leonard H. Anderson.

Let's see....

Lennie pretended to have been "part of the team" in Korea...(3
years before he enlisted...)

Lennie presuemed to tell us about "serving under the threat of the
Soviet Bear bomber"

He's regaled us with stories of what it's like to be on the
receiving end of artillery fire. (Lennie was a rear-area radio
mechanic in post-war Japan..that's post KOREAN war Japan...)

He's the resident expert on at least a dozen emergency
communications programs despite not actually participating in ANY of
them.

He's presumed to render diagnosis on a wide range of mental and
physical afflictions despite not even having been an EMT, let alone a
physician or nurse.

He's tried to tell us how various volunteer organizations, again
one's he's not a memeber of, fit into the "bigger scheme" of things.

He's presumed to "demonstrate" his aerial navigation skills
despite being a non-soloed student pilot sometime in the late 50's or
early 60's.

He cannot "discuss", only insult others who disagree with him.
This will continue until he gets some professional help for
his mental affliction.

Yep! I was right! Lennie Anderson IS "Dudly"!~

Steve, K4YZ

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Thurs, Oct 13 2005 8:19 am


wrote:

Dee Flint wrote:

Movies and novels, etc often take artistic license with the facts in order
to produce more impact. That is true of both dramas and comedies. So any
one who relies on such items for their history is going to be using a far
amount of misinformation. Even the news media takes artistic license by the
selection of what facts and speculation to report since they are going for
ratings.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Dee, excellent, excellent post.

That must be why some in this group constantly quote british comedy as
if it were somehow relevant to matters at hand. They get their history
from Monty Python. Telling is their admiration for the contribution(s)
that the ARS made in WWII. Quitepuzzling, since the ARS was shut down
by the US government at the time.

Many radio amateurs made their war contributions as radio operators.


As did all the PCTAs in here, valiantly fighting the brave
fight with a morse key in each holster.

Are you out of your ever-lovin' mind or is this just another insult fest
from the sidelines of amateur radio?

It would be fun to read of their stories, tales of heroism,
etc., while working for the OSS deep behind the lines and
sending intel back to Hq. I can compare them to those I
heard back in the 1950s from Signalmen who were actually
there! :-)

That's your idea of fun, is it? All of us who post here are old enough
to have known people involved in WWII radio. Many of us have worked
with those involved.


Many became electronics and radio instructors.


Right...and how MANY is "many?" More than five?

Were you under the impression that someone invited you to administer a quiz?

Was the MIT Radiation Lab built up on a base of amateurs?

I didn't mention anything about the MIT Radiation Lab. How about doing
a massive cut and paste and rambling on about it for paragraph after
paragraph?

Were there NO electronics professionals anywhere in the U.S.
electronics industry at that time?

I know this may surprise you: It was and is very possible to be a radio
amateur and a professional in communications at the same time. It is
also quite easy to have a working knowledge of radio communications and
to be trained in a professional specialty in short order.

What do you think Bell Labs in NJ had? A little shack
just working on telephones?

I didn't write anything about Bell Labs. I happen to have known a
number of radio amateurs who worked at Bell Labs over the years. One
who comes to mind is the late Harry Habig K8ANV, inventor of the Delta
Loop antenna.

What about the second-highest priority of manufacture in
World War 2, right behind the Manhattan Project? That was
quartz crystal unit manufacture...a million a month in the
last three years of WW2.

I knew a number of those folks too. One manufacturer was Tedford Labs
in Cincinnati. Bob Tedford was a radio amateur.


Many were involved in radio design and manufacture.


Riiiight...all hams knew everything there was to know about
radar, microwaves, sonobuoys, VHF and UHF radio relay, and
primitive television used in the first guided bombs?

All hams? I wrote nothing about all hams knowing everything.

Locate Lewyt Vacuum Cleaner Comapny and find out their
history...they built lots of BIG HF transmitters during
WW2! Really. BC-339s with 1 KW RF out in HF and BC-340s
with 10 KW RF out in HF. Said so on lots of nameplates.

Great, Leonard. Lionel built J-38 manual keys and J-36 bugs. What of
it? Did those name plates really read "Lewyt Vacuum Cleaner Company"?


Many became involved with Civil Defense
and WERS (War Emergency Radio Service).


Again, how MANY is "many?"

....far more than a few.

Were there any AIR ATTACKS on the
United States then?

Those CD folks did a good job, huh?

[exactly one case of a Japanese
submarine firing a couple rounds on California, hitting very
little] [Hawaii wasn't a state back then, remember]

There was an air attack from a Japanese submarine? Wowsers!

My father-in-law was an "air raid warden" in his neighborhood
some 900+ miles inland from the east coast, about 2000 miles
inland from the west coast. About all that was accomplished
with those air raid drills was conservation of electricity
by turning off all non-essential lights.

If you understood that the lights were turned off to conserve
electricity, you didn't get it.

Tell us all about CD and WERS, old timer. I'm sure the kids
in here will glory in your stories. I was a kid myself back
then and thought it real exciting to hear all those stories
of military life.

I guess it had to tide you over until you get some real rear area
exploits of your own.


There is a large amount of
documentation of the efforts of radio amateurs during the Second World
War. Have you read any of it?


Lots and lots of it available from the ARRL.

That's one source. As a matter of fact, the League printed excerpts
from a book written by a ham, Lt. Iliff Richardson, who was very active
with the resistance in the Philippines. "An American Guerrilla In The
Philippines" was later made into a movie starring Tyrone Power.

Too bad they don't
mention all the NON-amateur contributions in radio...

Why would those stories appear in a magazine which carried the words,
"Devoted Entirely to Amateur Radio"? Are there no other magazines or books?

...or even
that the major communications mode of the U.S. military back in
WW2 was by TTY, not morse code...as it continued into the post-
War Two period. Western Electric Company made lots and lots of
NON-morse communications equipment...they of the Bell conglomerate
and not at all being amateur about what they did.

All very interesting, Leonard. Radio amateurs who served in the war
were not all pounding brass. Why does morse code have to enter
everything you write about amateur radio?

But...the ARRL is the "only true" source of "radio history" isn't
it?

It is? Nobody is stating that except you.

Always "telling the truth"...

I've found no deliberate falsehoods inserted into any of the stories of
the WWII items published by the League. Have you?

...and omitting nothing, right?

I don't think the ARRL felt bound to publish articles which had no ties
to amateur radio. Do you feel that such stories should have been
published in an amateur radio magazine? Do you know of any deliberate
omissions of material from the stories?

Tell us your stories, old timer. They are always such a treat
on how you saved the country for democracy during WW2.

Since I wasn't around until 3 1/2 years after the war ended, it'd be
impossible for me to have participated. How about you? Did you lie
about your age?

Then you can insert the "PCTA truth" of how "all" radio ops
"must know morse code" in order to be "good radio ops" and how
anyone that doesn't love, honor, cherish and obey the morse
creed is "hating all hams" of today. [which is what it will all
boil down to...as usual]

If you'd like to insert it, by all means, bend over and do so.

Have Jimmie Noserve tell us all about Washington Army Radio
[WAR callsign] at Fort Detrick and how ACAN operated. He will
know because he thinks he was THERE or something.

Well, Lennie, why don't you tell us all about it? After all, you have
the same amount of experience at WAR that Jim has.

Have Dudly
tell us about the Montezuma halls and the beaches of Tripoli
as he valiantly fought side by side with other ham heroes in
the African campaign of '43. Wonderful stories and tales!

Well, Foghorn, why don't you tell us all about it? After all, you have
the same experience as Steve in fighting in the African campaign of '43
and I'm sure that you know much more about the Marines--because you were
in the Army.


Above all else, stress that anyone who doesn't like/love
morsemanship of 60 years ago now HATES ALL HAMS and "dishonors"
them ALL by not parroting the holy ham history output of ARRL
about World War Two.

I've never written anything about "anyone" who doesn't like morse code.
I have written about you.

Dave K8MN

KØHB wrote:
wrote

Amateur radio isn't magical.

I think belief in magic IS a necessary requirement to really enjoy Amateur
Radio.

Ah, yes. You, Jim, and Mike spend the better part of a month dissing
belief systems and then you come up with this gem. Hi! You guys are
too funny.

Of course, you won't see a question concerning magic or metaphysics on
the test you take to obtain your license, but in your heart you will cometo
believe in that powerful, intangible force.

I think in the USN it was taught as "PFM."

All of us in the hobby have felt its influence at one time or another. Some
night when the band is dead as a doornail you'll be tuning aimlessly, not
expecting to hear a single signal because NOTHING could be coming throughat
that hour. But then, rising out of the noise like a ghost,

Prolly scared the bejeesus out of little Billy Beeper.

there will be a faint
call from another stalwart explorer thousands of miles distant. You pounce,
establish contact and both of you marvel at the fact that the conversation is
taking place at all. A few minutes later, however, the signal vanishes as
quickly as it came. Your rational mind will shrug it off as a quirk of
propagation, but that little tingle in your gut will tell you otherwise.

Isn't that how you guys say that God was invented?

If you could travel back in time to, say 500 years to 1505 AD, you'd probably be
burned at the nearest stake for even suggesting that two human beings could
communicate with each other over great distances without a physical connection.
No doubt they would accuse you of dabbling in magic -- and they'd be right!

Hi! Let me scratch a pentagram on the cover of my transceiver.

As Amateur Radio operators, we work feats of magic every day. Many of ushave
become jaded about our powers and we tend to dismiss them as commonplace.We
hardly think twice when we use our equipment to sommon the elemental forces of
the universe. But every so often we need to pause and remind ourselves ofwhat
we are really doing. We need to remember the essence of what drew us to our
unusual avocation in the first place: the wonderful magic of wireless
communications.

(With thanks to WB8IMY)

73, de Hans, K0HB
--
"Hark! I Have Hurled My Words To The Far Corners Of The Earth! What King Of Old
Could Do Thus?"
--AC6V

"Hans the Magi!" Who would've thought it?

I can't wait to read what "Jesus was a cool dude" Mike posted below.

Mike Coslo wrote:
KØHB wrote:
wrote


Amateur radio isn't magical.


I think belief in magic IS a necessary requirement to really enjoy Amateur
Radio. Of course, you won't see a question concerning magic or metaphysics on
the test you take to obtain your license, but in your heart you will come to
believe in that powerful, intangible force.

rest of an awesome post snipped

Excellent, Hans, simply excellent!

- Mike KB3EIA -

Un-friggin-beleivable!

After spending the better part of a month dissing religion, you become
a witch.

Hi!

Dee Flint wrote:
"KØHB" wrote in message
ink.net...

wrote

Amateur radio isn't magical.

I think belief in magic IS a necessary requirement to really enjoy
Amateur Radio. Of course, you won't see a question concerning magic or
metaphysics on the test you take to obtain your license, but in your heart
you will come to believe in that powerful, intangible force.

All of us in the hobby have felt its influence at one time or another.
Some night when the band is dead as a doornail you'll be tuning
aimlessly, not expecting to hear a single signal because NOTHING could be
coming through at that hour. But then, rising out of the noise like a
ghost, there will be a faint call from another stalwart explorer thousands
of miles distant. You pounce, establish contact and both of you marvelat
the fact that the conversation is taking place at all. A few minutes
later, however, the signal vanishes as quickly as it came. Your rational
mind will shrug it off as a quirk of propagation, but that little tingle
in your gut will tell you otherwise.

If you could travel back in time to, say 500 years to 1505 AD, you'd
probably be burned at the nearest stake for even suggesting that two human
beings could communicate with each other over great distances without a
physical connection. No doubt they would accuse you of dabbling in
magic -- and they'd be right!

As Amateur Radio operators, we work feats of magic every day. Many of us
have become jaded about our powers and we tend to dismiss them as
commonplace. We hardly think twice when we use our equipment to sommon
the elemental forces of the universe. But every so often we need to pause
and remind ourselves of what we are really doing. We need to remember the
essence of what drew us to our unusual avocation in the first place: the
wonderful magic of wireless communications.

(With thanks to WB8IMY)

73, de Hans, K0HB
--
"Hark! I Have Hurled My Words To The Far Corners Of The Earth! What King
Of Old Could Do Thus?"
--AC6V


Yes it is the "magic" of wireless that is endlessly fascinating. The part
about "summon elemental forces of the universe" is awesome.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"sommon"

Be sure to light a black candle for me.

Cmd Buzz Corey wrote:
AKA Brian Q. Burp wrote:
Cmd Buzz Corey wrote:


As usual, ham radio operators help sustain wide-ranging relief efforts


True enough. But those efforts must obey the same laws of physics that
the other radio services obey. Amateur radio isn't magical. Morse
code isn't magical, mystical, nor mythical.


But ham radio often gets the job done when others can't.

Can't?

Try "Not Authorized."

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Dee Flint wrote:
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[snip]

The part
about "summon elemental forces of the universe" is awesome.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"sommon"

Be sure to light a black candle for me.
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And why are you asking me to misspell "summon"? None of the dictionaries
that I have on hand show any entry for "sommon".

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

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Cmd Buzz Corey wrote:
wrote:
It is a fun hobby, an activity done for
personal pleasure but one that requires federal regulation
due to the nature of EM propagation. Some want it to be
MUCH MORE than what it is in order to fulfill some kind of
daydream they have to show their personal greatness. shrug

And often it is MUCH MORE.

Yep. Often it is higher class hams dissing lower class hams.

As usual, ham radio operators help sustain wide-ranging relief efforts

True enough. But those efforts must obey the same laws of physics that
the other radio services obey. Amateur radio isn't magical. Morse
code isn't magical, mystical, nor mythical.


So the "lower class" doesn't "diss" those with a higher class license?
Personally I think that must stop, from BOTH ends of the license structure.

And your right, Ham nor Morse is not magical, mystical, nor mythical. But
Morse DOES WORK and so does Amateur Radio Emergency Communications. End of
Discussion.

Dan/W4NTI

From: on Oct 16, 11:02 am

K0HB wrote:
wrote

Amateur radio isn't magical.


I think belief in magic IS a necessary requirement to really enjoy Amateur
Radio.

Ah, yes. You, Jim, and Mike spend the better part of a month dissing
belief systems and then you come up with this gem. Hi! You guys are
too funny.

"Magic" is for simple minds or for those all tied up in emotions
and cannot comprehend reality beyond human senses.


Of course, you won't see a question concerning magic or metaphysics on
the test you take to obtain your license, but in your heart you will come to
believe in that powerful, intangible force.

I think in the USN it was taught as "PFM."

Pulse-Forming Network? :-) [hardly...]

Hans may have leaned a bit far over a railing and come too close
to the beam of 1 MW search radar in the past...a few synapses
might have been cooked past Well Done stage...


All of us in the hobby have felt its influence at one time or another. Some
night when the band is dead as a doornail you'll be tuning aimlessly, not
expecting to hear a single signal because NOTHING could be coming through at
that hour. But then, rising out of the noise like a ghost,

Prolly scared the bejeesus out of little Billy Beeper.

Not to worry, Captain Code was there to save him... :-)


there will be a faint
call from another stalwart explorer thousands of miles distant. You pounce,
establish contact and both of you marvel at the fact that the conversation is
taking place at all. A few minutes later, however, the signal vanishes as
quickly as it came. Your rational mind will shrug it off as a quirk of
propagation, but that little tingle in your gut will tell you otherwise.

Isn't that how you guys say that God was invented?

A couple of chewed Tums will take care of that little tingle
in the gut.

[next thing you know, these Believers will be saying that
James Clerk Maxwell was a Wizard dabbling in Black Magic...]


If you could travel back in time to, say 500 years to 1505 AD, you'd probably be
burned at the nearest stake for even suggesting that two human beings could
communicate with each other over great distances without a physical connection.
No doubt they would accuse you of dabbling in magic -- and they'd be right!

Hi! Let me scratch a pentagram on the cover of my transceiver.

I'll set the geas so's you won't be disturbed.

[these guys have read too many Harry Potter books...]

However, in 1505 AD, suggesting that an IRON SHIP will FLOAT
would have gotten much the same response. :-) Adding the
fact that a nuclear powered aircraft carrier could do 40+ Knots
AND carry aeroplanes that FLY at high speed would have made
for a jolly large bonfire! Magic? :-)


As Amateur Radio operators, we work feats of magic every day. Many of us have
become jaded about our powers and we tend to dismiss them as commonplace. We
hardly think twice when we use our equipment to sommon the elemental forces of
the universe. But every so often we need to pause and remind ourselves of what
we are really doing. We need to remember the essence of what drew us to our
unusual avocation in the first place: the wonderful magic of wireless
communications.

(With thanks to WB8IMY)

I dunno...wanting to control a free-flight model airplane by radio
got me interested in "radio." The United States Army Signal Corps
pretty well affirmed that by assigning me to a large Army radio
station communicating all over the Pacific ocean. As far as I've
been able to find out, the Signal Corps NEVER used any crystal balls
to communicate long distances...only 1 KW to 40 KW transmitters.

These Believers in Amateur Magic must have crystal balls...

[the late Poul Anderson (no relation) wrote a funny story about an
Army Special Forces unit of Elsewhen using Magic as their special
skill...since no Believer in Magic has any sense of humor, I won't
say much more on it...it is science fiction... :-) ]

73, de Hans, K0HB
--
"Hark! I Have Hurled My Words To The Far Corners Of The Earth! What King Of Old
Could Do Thus?"
--AC6V

"Look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair!"
--- Percy Bysshe Shelley (or some old-timer amateur morseman)



"Hans the Magi!" Who would've thought it?

He's either one of the Three Wise Men or just some iggorant wiseguy.


Too bad Dee missed the "sommons" in regard to elemental forces...:-)


I can't wait to read what "Jesus was a cool dude" Mike posted below.

If he doesn't write anything, no doubt Jimmie Noserve will hop
in saying that God ordained morse code as an "elemental force"
for radio. The Magic of Morse! [I digress thaumaturgically]

wrote

Ah, yes. You, Jim, and Mike spend the better part
of a month dissing belief systems and then you come
up with this gem. Hi! You guys are too funny.

I think in the USN it was taught as "PFM."

Prolly scared the bejeesus out of little Billy Beeper.

Isn't that how you guys say that God was invented?

Hi! Let me scratch a pentagram on the cover of my transceiver.

"Hans the Magi!" Who would've thought it?

Be sure to light a black candle for me.

After spending the better part of a month dissing religion,
you become a witch

Ya gotta love it! I go casually trolling and this largemouth bit, and bit, and
bit, and bit again, then bit again four more times!

I think that MUST be a record for this fisherman! My trolling has power and
magic in it!

Beep beep
de Hans, K0HB