Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 1 Nov 2005 22:53:47 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:
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Frankie, the question I asked over and over in the original post
was WHAT MCO WAS VIOLATED...?!?!


Since when does it require an MCO for a superior officer to give a
legal and lawful order to a subordinate? The granting of liberty is at
the discretion of the unit's commanding officer. And liberty doesn't
mean you are free to do as you please. If you come back from a 96 with
a decent sunburn you can end up with NJP -- that very situation has
happened more than once.

One Dudly is Student of Herr Geobels

a decnet sunburn geting an art 15 I don't think so, a Bad sunburn sure
shame on you Frank for the LIE

"What MCO was violated?" That's the wrong question, Dud. ...

agains you are slightly off it is the right question for Dudly Dogface
it is the right question if ones goals is decietion

and we both know that is Dudlies goal
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Gee, and all this time you have refused to provide -any- details about
your military "career". How silly of me to think that now, when
confronted with an issue even more intrusive than a few lines from a
DD-214, you would spit up some specific information. Gee, I need to
reconsider my position regarding your credibility........LOL!!!!

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There was no "Camp ....." in Pennsylvania, Frankie.

standard Dudly try to avoid the question byacting stupid, of Dudly
doesn't have to ACT


MCAS ......? NAS ......? Fort ......? BSA troop ......?

secert sub-marine base no doubt like the Naval air warfare center in
INDY
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That is, most -normal- and
-mentally balanced- people.

well said




I'd love to see the MP's dragging off-duty Marines from firetrucks
and ambulances.


That sort of stuff turns you on, huh?

look at the turn of phrase

he loves it, watching MEN dpoing something like that

I simply point out his represed (it seems to point of pathological)
sexual issues
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So...you figure I can make it through EMS school but don't know how
to pick up the phone and say "Something's come up at the base and I
can't make it in..."...?!?!
it has not been established you made it through EMS school

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As a Marine your primary obligation is to the Corps...(SNIP)

Obviously a point you didn't have any respect for until AFTER
those two courts martials, eh...?!?!


Actually, it didn't sink in until after the first court-martial, but
well before the second.

LOL not sure if I am laughing at Frank or the image of in mind eyes of
Stevie reading franks word



(UNSNIP)...and I don't think
-any- hospital with an emergency room would hire a part-time EMT who
is much more likely to miss a shift than a dedicated EMT whose primary
obligation is to the hospital and patients. They might let you in as a
candy-striper.....

Then once again you've allowed us a moment to break into laughter
at your ignorance and arrogance~!


Prove me wrong, Dudly.

honestly in some places I know they are so short of Nurses they might
take on one that they could not rely on (for reason like Stevie's) in
order to have the chance for having enough nurses, don't know anyplace
is hard up ebough for EMT's but maybe

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Name them yourself...I don't have back copies of Leatherneck
anymore...However anyone who cares to do some research will see you for
what you are....


YOU referenced the source so it's YOUR obligation to validate YOUR
claim.... oh, that's right, you didn't understand the meaning of an
'obligation'. Well, now you do so you don't have an excuse. Name one
of those Marines that was written up in Leatherneck for being an EMT
while in active duty. Just one.

I suspect I might be able to name one, Steven J Robeson, just not the
person posting

the more he goes on and on the more I suspect he found the origanal
Steve J Roberson dead, perhaps the current one killed him in a car
accident (or got him killed by telling a lie) and took on his life, but
he doesn't know enough about that life to live it



Is it YOUR contention that all of those Marines were NOT "real
Marines" because they did something that wasn't associated with their
official duties?

I said nothing of the sort. You're spinning so hard now you are going
to fall down and puke.

No...

That's what you've implied...


Have you ever tried to read anything without attaching it to your own
distorted imagination?

I can answer that for him NO he hasn't

Try it sometime -- it will help to eliminate
your moral confusion.

not sure anything can help Stevie
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that's "wrong"...


In your case, it's as wrong as John Wayne Gacy showing an interest in
dressing up like a clown.

like Gacy Dudly can't seem to help it
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When you get done laughing, how about showing me where I said that
getting court-martialed twice is "OK"?

I can explain it for you though

Dudly thinks no one would do anything they did not think was right, and
moral and proper

therefore you must have felt it ok to be courtmartialed or you would
commited hari-kari first, before standing trail, therefore the fact you
are still alive means you found it to be OK to be courtmartaled

Stevie tried the same stunts with me
I say it is ok to lie when diverting danger or direct attacks sthings
like that, therefore stevie claims i have said in the same word it is
desireable that the world is as it is and such lying is sometime a good
idea


Did I miss some law that says once someone uses a latin word in
THEIR motto, no one else can use it...?!?!

Did I say it was illegal?

You obviously have a problem with it...


You obviously have an obsession with it.

nothing about Stevie may be questioned

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I'm not the one with two court martials over his head, Frankie.


I'm not the one who lies about his military "career", Dud.

and you don't have 2 court martial "over you head" they are in the past
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I've proven you to be a liar.


If there's one thing that's lacking in public schools these days it's
the failure to teach critical thinking skills.

yep

which I why I will homeschool


What more could I ask for...?!?!


A better education.

a Life of his own?
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No...We HAVE "proven" my cowardly assertions since you won't
"straight-up" answer the question.


Because the question presumes an untrue premise. And yes, your
assertions are cowardly.

Nah Dudly is the coward the assertion are just inocent victums



Where, Frankie, has NO OTHER MARINE EVER worked a part time
job,


Disregarding the horrific grammatical structure of your question, 3/8
in 1983-84.
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I suppose I should dumb down my statement to a level that you can
understand: Just because some active duty Marines were allowed to take
part-time jobs is not proof that you were ever on active duty.

nor is it proof that if you were on active YOU were allowed etc

Is that
simple enough? Or do I need to draw a Venn diagram (i.e, a picture)?


Geeze, Frankie...That was a loooooooooooooooooooooooong stretch,

Taking a vacation from your "career" as spelling cop?

You took one from being a Marine. Twice.

Your point?


Well, I guess that means that you are no better than me. And never
forget that YOU made the equivocation, Dud.

no he will never forget it

he will never understand he made it

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Why? Is it pertinent to Amateur Radio? Is it pertinent to my
USMC career?

it is at least as related to both as your attack threads about my
sexuality, Todd's, Brain's et al are

stealing the atriubtuion form frank since the word earing repeating
Absolutely. You accuse me of lying because I broke my oath. You broke
-your- oath to your wife and to your God. Therefore, you lied to your
wife and to your God. If you don't have enough respect for your God to
keep -your- oath, what makes you think that you can hold someone else
to the same standard? So it really IS a do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do thing,
isn't it?

You will never understand the difference, Dud: I'm not holding you to
-my- standard -- I'm holding you to a -higher- standard, just as you
would expect. Despite this, you waste your time in the newsgroups
throwing around school-yard banter, covering your lies with more lies,
and disgracing honorable institutions by leeching their honor and
integrity to feed your personal pride and delusions of heroism. Even
when I'm not here you pray to me because you don't have the discipline
(let alone the common sense) to avoid arguing with someone whom -you-
describe as "silly". The fact is that you -can't- set a standard that
is higher than mine, a ****bird PFC. Add to that the fact that your
tactics are lame and impotent, your 'facts' are generally wrong, and
you tuck tail and run from every challenge to the legitimacy of your
claims about your military "career", and anyone can see that -your-
standards are well below mine, let alone the standards required of a
Marine Gunny.
ending my "theft of franks word

Nope, you were never active duty. You're a Major Dud.


Or just another toe-hold you are desperate for since you've been
unable to establish one anywhere else...?!?!


Forget it, Dud. It's obvious that you can't address anything that
deals with reality. Don't even try -- you might stroke out or
something.

please don't try to disaude him for taking the most honorable exit
avalable to a person like Him



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I think you've pretty much reached the "desperate for a stinging
insult" phase...


Hmmm..... "stinging insult"..... your words, not mine.

rememebr Len words about "Mirror"

Once again, you're the expert.

Nope. But I am better at math and English comprehension...witness
the following:


Witness this:

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K4YZ wrote:

That's what you've implied...You've suggested that in 18 years
(actually 14 at the time I obtained my initial EMT certification)...(SNIP)

Excuse me...that was "12".....

Steve, K4YZ
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Nuff said.
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I did?

W H E R E did I say I had "TWO CONCURRENT CAREERS", Frankie...?!?!

Mind you, we're quoting YOU now ! ! !

I had a PART TIME JOB...No retirement plan...No 401K...


Oh, so of those 10+ years of experience you claimed to have in 1998,
six of them were actually only part-time? How "part time" were they?
10hrs/wk on the average? So those six years of experience while on
active duty is really equal to only 1-1/2 years or so of full-time
experience? Only a fourth of full-time experience? That's a pretty big
disparity, Dud, although not uncharacteristic of your propensity to
'stretch' the truth. But claiming to have 400% more experience than
you really had..... that's called "stretching the truth a little too
far" and I don't buy it. In your posts you omit the fact that much of
your experience wasn't spent as a career. In fact, you state quite
clearly in several posts that EMT -was- your career for all those
years, even while working at the hospital in California. So either you
lied about having a career as an EMT while on active duty, or you are
lying about -not- having a career as an EMT while on active duty, or
you are lying about being on active duty. Take your pick.

BTW, you never did answer the question of where you were stationed
when you worked as an EMT in PA. Care to give it another try?


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Anyway, you clearly don't understand the difference between liberty
and restriction, something that is known by any active duty Marine
(and probably known by active duty members of the other services as
well).

Sure I do. The POINT having been made that I never stood so much
as one minute of any form of punishment in 18 years inn the Marines...

Can YOU say the same thing...?!?!


What, are you dense? Haven't you been paying attention all this time?
Did I not declare, long ago, that I spent time in the brig? Are you
actually -trying- to look like a moron? If you are, it's working.

and his claim never to stodd for ANY FROM OF punishment for even a
minute

No way he went through BCT ( or what ever the Marines call it) without
it

you don't even have to do anything wrong sometimes

And I never stated, suggested or implied that you "stood" any
pushishment for anything. But that wasn't the issue. Not being granted
liberty is not restriction. Restriction in regards to punishment
simply means that restrictions are placed on your liberty (when
granted). You don't know the difference. You claim to have spent 18
years on active duty, where the duty of every NCO is to pull an
occasional 24-hr shift in the OOD's office (sometimes as the OOD), the
place where Marines on restriction show up every two hours to sign
their restriction forms..... yet you don't know the difference.

You didn't spend 18 years on active duty, Dud.

maybe he means 18 dog years?

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I'm doing just fine.


Ok then, don't grow up.


But YOU are the one making strange assertions unsubstantiated by
facts, Frankie.


You validate my arguments just fine.
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As for me, the only buttons you can push are your fraudulent claims
about being retired, your "seven hostile actions", and serving your
time on active duty -- fabrications which, ironically, are the product
of your self-hatred. It's no suprise that I have become your primary
adversary. But you don't even see that you are really arguing with
yourself, not with me.

indeed

that is going to be his problem in "suing " me if I have harmed it was
only possible with HIS assiatnce, making him my coconspritor

Sometimes I think that you actually -want- me to post undeniable proof
of your bogus service claims so you can quit living the lie. I will in
due time, but not before I get my kicks by letting you suffer the
torment of being stuck in your own web of lies.

Ah a fellow sadist, and Dudly the willing indeed needfull submission.
Np I do hope you enjoy your session

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You were incompetent as a Marine when you were on active duty and
you're incompetent to sit in judgement of anyone who was in the
Marines.


True or not, the fact remains that I earned an honorable discharge and
you got kicked out on a medical. The fact remains that I saw action
(and wish I hadn't) and you didn't (and wish you did).

That is it been strugling for the Charater Dudly sort a reminds me of
Maj Powers

but back to Stevie

anyone that wishes to see combat is truely mad, who is proud of combat

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Kiss my hash mark, Major Dud!!!
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Well that leaves out anyone in THIS forum.


Your charade is getting really old, Dudly.

old eneough it hardly even stink anymore

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Being less that you can be worked for you. Two court martials
prove it.


You have a strange definition of 'proof', Dud. Care to cite a
dictionary or two (assuming you aren't afraid to learn something about
critical thinking)?

I keep asking him to publish one so we can foolow his words



So...Frankie...Have any REAL proof of your "having been an EMT
proves you were a Reservist" claim, or do we just get treated to
another Lenniesque blustery diatribe?


Watching you squirm is good enough for now. I'll break out the
magnifying glass a little later.


Steve "Weekend Warrior" Robeson, K4YZ