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wrote The Army found that out during the Battle of the Bulge...where every soldier, regardless of MOS, were suddenly IN "battle." Ever since the U.S. Army has made it a point to continue basic battle training long after soldiers have finished basic training. And your point is? All sorts of people in all sorts of jobs face danger every day, Len. The electric wires don't put themselves up, and when a storm knocks out the power, the crews don't get to wait for a sunny day to fix them. Jim, Lens point is that every serviceman and servicewoman in uniform serves with the understanding that their very life is pledged, at the very real risk of armed conflict, to serve their fellow man, commonly for material rewards less than that enjoyed by an Assistant Shift Manager at your local Burger King. I realize that, Hans, and I honor that pledge and that service. I apologize if anyone was offended. That was not my intent. But Len tries to make it sound like no one other than military service ever faces any danger in their job. In the past (and probably in the future) Len and I have found all sorts of reasons to disagree, but on this issue I come down four-square on his side. Comparing that pledge which Len, Brian, and several other here took, to the risks "suffered" by an electric company linemen or a construction worker is mean spirited and unbecoming. I did not mean to sound that way. Again, if it sounded that way, I apologize. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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wrote: KØHB wrote: wrote The Army found that out during the Battle of the Bulge...where every soldier, regardless of MOS, were suddenly IN "battle." Ever since the U.S. Army has made it a point to continue basic battle training long after soldiers have finished basic training. And your point is? All sorts of people in all sorts of jobs face danger every day, Len. The electric wires don't put themselves up, and when a storm knocks out the power, the crews don't get to wait for a sunny day to fix them. Jim, Lens point is that every serviceman and servicewoman in uniform serves with the understanding that their very life is pledged, at the very real risk ofarmed conflict, to serve their fellow man, commonly for material rewards lessthan that enjoyed by an Assistant Shift Manager at your local Burger King. I realize that, Hans, and I honor that pledge and that service. I apologize if anyone was offended. That was not my intent. But Len tries to make it sound like no one other than military service ever faces any danger in their job. In the past (and probably in the future) Len and I have found all sortsof reasons to disagree, but on this issue I come down four-square on his side. Comparing that pledge which Len, Brian, and several other here took, to the risks "suffered" by an electric company linemen or a construction worker is mean spirited and unbecoming. I did not mean to sound that way. Again, if it sounded that way, I apologize. Jim, if you felt an "apology" was warranted, then bravo for you. However if you get into the habit of "apologizing" everytime someone doesn't like your "tone" or how it MIGHT sound, then you just spend your whole life apologizing. Spending your life with your tail between your legs is no way to live. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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From: on Sun, Dec 4 2005 4:35 pm wrote: From: on Sat, Dec 3 2005 8:28 am wrote: From: on Dec 2, 5:33 pm wrote: From: on Tues, Nov 29 2005 3:38 am wrote: From: on Nov 27, 3:55 pm In other words, you and your neighbors wanted to stop other people from building certain types of buildings on *their own land* - because it would mess up your *view*. The only "other people" were contractor firms. Nobody owned "their own" land yet until the development was finished and inspected and approved by the city. The contractor/developers owned the land, right? They wanted to develop it in a way you didn't like, so you tried to stop them. The neighborhood organization was against the ZONING change from "R" (pure residential) to "R1" (residences plus aparments). The original plan was for "senior citizen apartments" which we neighbors did not like. Why not? You're a senior citizen ;-) Yes, a two- story house or apartment would block my VIEW that I enjoyed for over 30 years here. So you think your "right" to a VIEW is more important than people having a place to live.... Perhaps you want me to sit back and take whatever "authorities" toss at me without complaint? HELL NO! Indeed. But you want *me* to sit back and take whatever rules changes "authorities" (like the FCC) toss out without complaint or protest. HELL NO! The analogy is clear, whether you admit it or not. None of us neighbors did. None of us procodetest folks did either. We showed up at the Zoning Commission meeting and made our voices heard. Yes - you tried to stop progress and development, and to restrict what others could do on their land. You wanted the neighborhood to stay just as it was, despite the changes in American society. (more senior citizens, more people, etc.) It was for naught according to a later investigation of graft on the part of the Zoning Commission. Did anyone go to jail? Was anyone found guilty of any corruption? That parcel of land got rezoned to R1 over a decade ago and that was that. No action on development until several years later. You folks missed a chance. When the first developer went bankrupt, you could have all banded together and bought the land. Then you'd have been able to control its development. But instead of that free-market, capitalist approach, where you put your money where your view is, you wanted The Government to value your views over those of the people who owned that land. Perhaps you weren't really learning the REAL Ben Franklin or even REAL history prior to 1776. Franklin was a royalist to begin with. Almost all the revolutionaries were royalists to begin with. Took him a VERY long time to actually side with the "revolutionaries." [recorded history, by the way] WE neighbors weren't sheep nor anything like that and protested. Let's see - in his time, anyone seen as a traitor to the crown could be executed by being drawn and quartered. Which is more than a little unpleasant, particularly with family and friends made to watch. What did you neighbors risk in your protest? after spending 9 months of re-arranging the vacant land. How does anyone "rearrange" land? With a bulldozer? All manner of earth-moving equipment were used to move 220,000 cubic yards of soil (value from contractor final report, initial estimate was 250,000 cubic yards). Actual earth moving took eight months until the final moving was done for drainage, roadway, and forming the final lay of each plot. A little digging is always needed. Nine months of the OHSA OSHA back-up beepers getting us up at 7 AM each working day of the week and some Saturdays. Awwww....why not get up before 7 AM? So - you thought your "view" was more important than the newcomers' property rights. No, our neighborhood organization was against changing the ZONING from pure residential to residences-with- allowed-apartments. OK, that too. Yet those apartments never got built, right? And what's wrong with residences-with-allowed-apartments? People live in the apartments, right? They're not dangerous or a nuisance. It's not like they wanted to put a refinery or a chemical plant there. You thought that those 15 acres should not be developed, even though you didn't own them. Our neighborhood organization would accept the original "R" zoning rating of single-family residences. The Zoning Commission heard that. We objected to the "R1" zoning that allowed apartments. Why? Because they were 2 story? Because they'd house senior citizens? Because you just don't like change? You resisted changes that brought in new people and more progress. What "progress?" :-) Diversity and new forms of housing in your restricted, uptight, NIMBY neighborhood. Why can't you accept a little change? You sure preach to others about accepting change and not standing in the way of progress when it comes to amateur radio rules - which don't affect you at all because you're not going to become a ham anyway. You have no huckin idea of what the development was/is, its original shape, the shape it is in now, landscaping or anything else. You have no huckin idea of what operating Morse Code on the amateur bands was/is, their original shape, the shape they're in now, the changes that removing the code test will bring, or anything else. You don't like an "outsider: like me commenting on "your" neighborhood, but you demand that everyone accept your comments on a "neighborhood" (the ham bands) where you're a complete outsider. You are trying to toss out nasty sarcastic bad words to us that were here before them. :-) Really? The SECOND developer managed to develop a walled community that houses about 150 total, nearly all with little bitty yards separated by concrete block walls. Isn't that the walled community you bragged about some time back? Are those houses worth more or less than yours, now? Right now there's a possibility of civil action by two neighbors where the original slope to the edge of the new walled community gave way and inundated their property. We'll just have to wait for that to sort itself out. Meanwhile, you will no doubt make nasty remarks to my old neighbors for DARING to PROTEST part of THEIR land from being covered? :-) Not at all. If they suffered real damages, they deserve their day in court. You clung to the past and tried to hold back the future. I'm sorry, but you just don't grasp this NON-RADIO situation. Oh yes I do. ZONING laws, particularly in residential areas, ARE where the past is protected...for those who ALREADY live there. Why? And if so, why should radio be any different? And you failed. Yes, we did. I reported that. :-) That's the breaks in political situations. And you FAILED. Yes. But ONLY for the ZONING change. We were able to enrich the pockets of some Zoning Commission members from payola from the first contractor...which led to him going out of business. :-) The second contractor is not in a good situation either since that company is forced to settle one way or the other. NO apartments were built, only single-family residences were finally built. That is a partial victory although the Zoning rating still allows for apartments on that land. What I find most interesting is that you fought change, progress, and newcomers. And you thought your views should count for more than the wants and needs of those who owned the land. What I find "interesting" is your continued hostility and ignorance of the situation, even when explained to you. It's not ignorance or hostility. It's an alternate view of things. You don't like alternate views. I have well over a hundred images showing the earth-moving and the house building, have a small box of documents that go back 15 or so years on that parcel of land, copies of plans, etc. Our neighborhood organization didn't take anything lightly. Because you didn't want change or progress. You wanted things to always stay the way they were, regardless of the effect on others.... beep beep Ah! You're imitating an OSHA backup beeper! |
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wrote: wrote: The neighborhood organization was against the ZONING change from "R" (pure residential) to "R1" (residences plus aparments). The original plan was for "senior citizen apartments" which we neighbors did not like. Why not? You're a senior citizen ;-) He's a citzen. There's not a whole lot "senior" about him. And "forcing" Lennie to live near other's his age would be like "forcing" him to get an Amateur Radio license...It might "force" him to realize that he is not the Alpha and Omega of his realm. Yes, a two- story house or apartment would block my VIEW that I enjoyed for over 30 years here. So you think your "right" to a VIEW is more important than people having a place to live.... So...We get them to raise a privacy wall around the new buildings and let the mural artists go to work...Then Lennie can have whatever "view", however myopic, he wants. Maybe one with no antennas and no faces over 40? Steve, K4YZ |
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wrote I realize that, Hans, and I honor that pledge and that service. I apologize if anyone was offended. That was not my intent. Thank you, Jim. You're a big man for having said so. 73, de Hans, K0HB |
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"K4YZ" wrote Yet Burger King managers, newspaper sellers, grocery clerks, etc, get killed every day doing their jobs, often defending those places against an armed foe. What sanctimonious drivel. I think I need a barf bag. Jim owes no one an apology here, Hans. Jim owed one, and gave one. I'd firmly shake his hand and say "thanks" in person. Not when you consider one of those who DID serve USED the deaths of men who DID die in battle well before he was even out of High School to "polish his brass" in this very same forum. I don't know WTF is "brass polishing", but suffice to say this. I'm a first-generation American. I don't have any ancestors who fought at Yorktown or Bunker Hill or Gettysburg or Tripoli or Alamo or San Juan Hill. But I consider every American patriot who ever wore the uniform of these United States, all the way back to the irregulars at Bunker Hill, to be my shipmate/comrade in arms. Likewise the sailor/soldiers/airmen/marines who serve today and in the future. If that association is "brass polishing", then so be it. The bottom line is that while we depend on the Armed Forces to keep our borders safe and the "bad guys" at bay, all those other "served in other ways" people are no less integral to creating and maintaining our way of life. If you say so, Steve. On Memorial Day, make a generous donation to the "American Bridge-Painters-Who-Fell-Off-Their-Scaffold Orphans Fund" de Hans, K0HB |
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From: K0HB on Dec 6, 9:24 am
"K4YZ" wrote Yet Burger King managers, newspaper sellers, grocery clerks, etc, get killed every day doing their jobs, often defending those places against an armed foe. What sanctimonious drivel. I think I need a barf bag. Pour the contents of the finished bag on Dudly's head. It will make him smell better. I don't know WTF is "brass polishing", but suffice to say this. I'm a first-generation American. I don't have any ancestors who fought at Yorktown or Bunker Hill or Gettysburg or Tripoli or Alamo or San Juan Hill. But I consider every American patriot who ever wore the uniform of these United States, all the way back to the irregulars at Bunker Hill, to be my shipmate/comrade in arms. Likewise the sailor/soldiers/airmen/marines who serve today and in the future. If that association is "brass polishing", then so be it. As another "first-generation American," I salute you proudly. My parents came to the USA of their own volition and became naturalized citizens of the USA. They both earned their citizenship. Dudly the [Marine] Imposter seeks to discredit my military service by reference to 23 soldiers of my battalion who died in the period of 1950 to 1963. I honor those men still, even after standing many a Retreat ceremony at sundown in their memory. I have all their names, service numbers, their home towns. Hardy Barracks, about the only military location still existant in Tokyo today was named after Corporal Elmer Hardy, in the first group of 19 who perished on 1 July 1950. Camp Tomlinson, the transmitter site NE of Tokyo, was named for another signalman who perished that same day...that name remained in use by the USAF when they had command of the facilities from 1963 until 1978. Now, I have to admit that I have an advantage in knowing the "geneaology" of my military unit. I had one. Not only that, I know when it was formed (1945), where it was when I was in it, where it was and what it was named afterward, even to what became of it, enduring today as the 78th Signal Battalion at Camp Zama, Japan, and a part of USARPAC. The callsign of USARPAC Hq today is ADA, the same as the station that my battalion ran in the 1950s in Tokyo. Worse yet, I've been in contact with individuals who served in my battalion even including a civilian who worked for the Army at the transmitter site. One of those individuals is Gene Rosenbaum, N2JTV, who was there at the same time I was. Dudly hasn't mentioned a single individual in any of his claimed "outfits", made available ANY photo or snapshot of himself taken during his alleged 18-year career, nor made available to anyone a single one of his claimed "many" DD-214s, has made MANY actual errors of official and un- official names and procedures used by the Marines, has verified NOTHING of his heroic-warrior military service, all in seven years of unremitting vile insults at anyone daring to challenge his opinion on anything. If you say so, Steve. On Memorial Day, make a generous donation to the "American Bridge-Painters-Who-Fell-Off-Their-Scaffold Orphans Fund" By all means, Dudly, STAY AWAY from any REAL Memorial group on Memorial Day or Veterans Day...if you wish to preserve your wretched little life of lies and deception and dishonor of the United States Marine Corps. RA 16 408 336 |
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wrote Dudly hasn't mentioned a single individual in any of his claimed "outfits", made available ANY photo or snapshot of himself taken during his alleged 18-year career, nor made available to anyone a single one of his claimed "many" DD-214s, has made MANY actual errors of official and un- official names and procedures used by the Marines, has verified NOTHING of his heroic-warrior military service, all in seven years of unremitting vile insults at anyone daring to challenge his opinion on anything. Len, I'm not going to drawn into you and Franks "Steve wasn't a Marine" game. With the exception of you naming one or two comrades and Frank posting a URL of a scan of a DD214, I don't know of a single veteran here who has named "a single individual", made available any photo, or verified in any way their military service. Applying the same tests that you list above about Steve, means that Dan, Brian, I, Jeff, and any other veterans here that I've not named, are also imposters? de Hans, K0HB |
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