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On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 07:15:53 GMT, Dave Heil
wrote: wrote: On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 07:04:38 GMT, Dave Heil wrote: cut all she does is serves as a floating relic of that bygone era Trying to explain anything to you is much like taking a Neanderthal Man to a hardware store and expecting him to understand all that he sees. reealy? you think that? Reealy! then you are dumber than I thought That's odd. You're just about as dumb as I thought. humm you arelying then since i am far more inteligent than you think unless you were lying before you can't even keep your lies straight Dave K8MN everyone should be advised that The following person has been advocating the abuse of elders he may also be making flase reports of abusing other in order to attak and cow his foes he also shows signs of being dangerously unstable STEVEN J ROBESON 151 12TH AVE NW WINCHESTER TN 37398 931-967-6282 _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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wrote "Old Ironsides" is a museum piece. A fully operational museum piece that actually sails every few years, but a museum piece nonetheless. Her main functions are educational and historic, not military. Her "main function" is to serve as the Flagship of the Navy. That's a military function, not a "museum" function. Certainly she also serves as a "history lesson incarnate", but that is not her "main" function. If it were, she'd be property of the National Park Service, not the Department of Defense. Well, Hans, it looks like we have different definitions of "museum piece" and "military function". I'll defer to your definitions because the USS Constitution is, in fact, the Flagship of the US Navy and is fully operational, with a full time crew. She just doesn't sail very often. And to answer the comment of Clown Prince of Spamalot (aka KB9RGZ), many US Navy ships are not intended to "sail into battle" (a quaint phrase, but it reveals your ignorance of military matters). YTB's tugs don't "sail into battle", DSRV's don't "sail into battle", AD's don't "sail into battle", AOE's don't "sail into battle", AS's don't "sail into battle", ATB's don't "sail into battle", ARS's don't "sail into battle", in fact CVA's don't "sail into battle", and no, the USS Constitution will not "sail into battle", but she's stilla fully commissioned ship of the line in the US Navy. Actually, I suppose that a considerable number of ships would intentionally sail *away* from battle, because they're not meant to be combat ships. The USCG Barque Eagle, homeported at the Coast Guard Academy in Connecticutt, is a working training ship, used in training future seagoing officers. Does she go out on search and rescue? Probably not, but I'm sure she teachs some of the elements of SAR. Navigation is a big part of her training mission, and you can bet that includes things like plotting an expanding-squares search pattern, calculating set and drift, and other topics useful in real world SAR operations. Regardless of that, notall USCG ships "go out on search and rescue". Some go out an tend bouys. Some go out and break ice. Some go out on training missions. Etc., etc., etc. Or is her purpose mostly historic and educational? Very little "historic" about the Eagle. Her purpose is a training ship for Coast Guard Midshipmen. That's just as much a "purpose" as SAR. And the main point remains: Sailboats make up far less than 1% of the US military fleet. Nobody is trying to argue that point, are they? Len was. He seems to be unable to deal with analogies. By the same token, CVA's make up a tiny percent of the US military fleet also, as do ARS's, AOE's, DSRV's, LPH's, and a host of other types. Of course. But they're all "power boats", not "sailboats". Doesn't make their mission any less important, or relegate them to "nothing more than museum pieces". Nor is the Constitution's mission unimportant - although some folks don't value history very much... Ding ding, ding ding, ding ding, ding ding. Eight bells and all's well. Did you get EPA? 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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Correction to earlier posting:
Some sources say the R-14 ran out of fuel; others say she lost her powerplant and could not effect repair at sea. Some sources say the periscope was used as the mast, others refer to the torpedo loading crane. In any event the sub made it to port under sail: http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/s...nsh-r/ss91.htm (scroll down to see a picture) 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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wrote in message ... On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 07:15:53 GMT, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: If ignorance is indeed bliss, KB9RQZ HAS to be one of the most joyful souls walking this earth. |
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From: "K0HB" on Sun, Dec 4 2005 1:31 am
wrote "Old Ironsides" is a museum piece. A fully operational museum piece that actually sails every few years, but a museum piece nonetheless. Her main functions are educational and historic, not military. Her "main function" is to serve as the Flagship of the Navy. That's a military function, not a "museum" function. Certainly she also serves as a "history lesson incarnate", but that is not her "main" function. If it were, she'd be property of the National Park Service, not the Department of Defense. Don't be too hard on Jimmie, Hans, he learned all his "military expertise" from books. [sometimes I think they were coloring books] And to answer the comment of Clown Prince of Spamalot (aka KB9RGZ), many US Navy ships are not intended to "sail into battle" (a quaint phrase, but it reveals your ignorance of military matters). YTB's tugs don't "sail into battle", DSRV's don't "sail into battle", AD's don't "sail into battle", AOE's don't "sail into battle", AS's don't "sail into battle", ATB's don't "sail into battle", ARS's don't "sail into battle", in fact CVA's don't "sail into battle", and no, the USS Constitution will not "sail into battle", but she's still a fully commissioned ship of the line in the US Navy. Most civilians don't understand that every servicemember does NOT "go into battle." Somehow they think that "battle" is like a street gang fight between small groups. Problem is, "battle" can catch up to everyone in the military service when no one is expecting it. The USS Indianapolis' crew found that out late in WW2 when it was torpedoed and sunk by a Japanese submarine. The Army found that out during the Battle of the Bulge...where every soldier, regardless of MOS, were suddenly IN "battle." Ever since the U.S. Army has made it a point to continue basic battle training long after soldiers have finished basic training. Jimmie Noserve and Der Klunk both thought of Japan as "rear area" in the 1950s...a place where all are "safe." However, the USSR did have a combat reach into Japan and did have the special weapon. The USA, USAF, and USN all knew that and tried to prepare for it. Now, they might or might not have been Soviet "Bear" bombers when I was in Japan...the exact type is irrelevant...but they did have aircraft that could reach the Kanto Plain area of Honshu (where Tokyo is located). Jimmie wanted to make a Big Thing about USSR aircraft so that he could make message points and show everyone how "good" and "expert" he is. Jimmie was never in danger of anything but diaper rash in the 1950s. Jimmie might have been in a moderate danger zone in the 1960s when, first, IRBMs were being targeted on east coast positions from Cuba, then later, from ICBMs that were targeted all over the USA. Right now he is acting like an acting secretary of the navy with his navel history. [no Oscars for him...] The USCG Barque Eagle, homeported at the Coast Guard Academy in Connecticutt, is a working training ship, used in training future seagoing officers. Does she go out on search and rescue? Probably not, but I'm sure she teachs some of the elements of SAR. Navigation is a big part of her training mission, and you can bet that includes things like plotting an expanding-squares search pattern, calculating set and drift, and other topics useful in real world SAR operations. Regardless of that, not all USCG ships "go out on search and rescue". Some go out an tend bouys. Some go out and break ice. Some go out on training missions. Etc., etc., etc. Well, if Jimmie Noserve said it, it must be............something. Or is her purpose mostly historic and educational? Very little "historic" about the Eagle. Her purpose is a training ship for Coast Guard Midshipmen. That's just as much a "purpose" as SAR. Follows the USN academy pattern in that, yes? I thought Annapolis had their own "tall ship" for midshipman sailing training? Lots of other nations' naval academies have those...most were present at the "Parade of the Tall Ships" on TV here in 1976 during the U.S. Bicentennial celebrations. And the main point remains: Sailboats make up far less than 1% of the US military fleet. Nobody is trying to argue that point, are they? By the same token, CVA's make up a tiny percent of the US military fleet also, as do ARS's, AOE's, DSRV's, LPH's, and a host of other types. Doesn't make their mission any less important, or relegate them to "nothing more than museum pieces". Tsk, the ideas that some civilians have. :-) [you've lost this land person on some of those acronyms... :-) ] Ding ding, ding ding, ding ding, ding ding. Eight bells and all's well. Not quite...Army lost to Navy in football Saturday...saw only last half in widescreen TV. [thank you for that other "notice"...not] Rancors away! |
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wrote: From: on Dec 2, 5:33 pm wrote: From: on Tues, Nov 29 2005 3:38 am wrote: From: on Nov 27, 3:55 pm Tsk, you aren't old enough to have been licensed under any other federal radio agency besides the FCC. :-) Neither are you, Len ;-) ;-) W R O N G ! ! ! Sure there is - it's called wigwag. No, those are called SEMAPHORE FLAGS. No, they're not. Semaphore and wigwag are two different things. Look it up. Two dictionaries I have say "see 'semaphore'" under several different definitions of "wigwag." Can you wigwag in morse? [no such thing] Can you wigwag from a wigwam? Or is your hairpiece already warm? I've already worn the collar insignia of the United States Army Signal Corps, a torch over two crossed signal flags. You've never done that. You can never do that. Except for a few floating museum pieces, the US Navy stopped using sail power about 100 years ago. Go to the docking area at the U.S. Naval Academy or the U.S. Coast Guard Academy. Are those "tall ships" illusions? No, they are real. Nobody said they aren't real. They're floating museum pieces. You've already argued with Hans Brakob on that. You wound up all wet. Why isn't it true, Len? What isn't it true? It's amateur radio, not "hobby" radio... You don't engage in amateur radio as a HOBBY?!? Did you think you were QUALIFIED as some kind of para-military "service" with that amateur radio license?!? I went to Art Center for a year at their old campus on 3rd Street in Los Angeles. :-) Did you flunk out? Or perhaps you just GAVE UP? I changed my studies from illustration to engineering. Career choice change. I can't "give up" something I have a natural talent for...that's built-in, has been used in previous employment. I was accepted by Art Center on the basis of submitted work that I sent them. Tsk. You are being HOSTILE again, trying to say I "flunked out" or "gave up." "Pasadena forensics could practice on what was left of you after saying that." What did you mean by that sentence? Maybe they want to be on TV? You know, like "CSI" (the first one from Las Vegas), "CSI: Miami," and "CSI: New York"? :-) All are popular shows about forensics and criminology. Then there's "Bones" on the Fox network, the various "Law and Order" crime dramas. Viewing audience likes that stuff. Pasadena isn't far from the center of movie-TV production in Los Angeles. Gosh, you could be on TV! :-) Texts and old books seems to be where you get your "experience." Well, you're wrong about that. That MUST have been where you got all your "military expertise." Oh, my, you'll have to tell all the illustrators everywhere that their techniques are "dying!" It's what you've told us about Morse Code, even though you're not involved. Sorry, I was VERY INVOLVED in illustration. I was VERY INVOLVED in radio and electronics. Both for over a half century. Where are all the commercial morse code communications sites now? Where are all the military morse code communications sites now? Once there was nothing else besides morse code in radio communications. Now all there is of that is on amateur bands. Tsk, you aren't "dying" but your time in Intensive Care Unit is coming to a close... I live in the past?!? Yes. No, I live in the house. I have lived in motels and hotels. "Pasadena forensics could practice on what was left of you after saying that." What did you mean by that? You tell me... :-) Can you show any physics textbooks or courses that include electronic design or analysis? Yes. Tsk, tsk. I read Ben's biography entitled "Benjamin Franklin - An American Life," by Walter Isaacson. So? It's a relatively recent biography, extensively researched, takes an objective look at the life of Franklin. It does not glorify him with gratuitous phrases but explains what he did during his long lifetime...facts that were referenced by historical documents. Franklin the scientist determined the nature of lightning. Franklin was hardly schooled. He had only HONORARY degrees. So he founded a great University that thrives today. Franklin was a prosperous printer and a POLITICIAN. Money and power can do lots of things. He also got current flow in the wrong direction...:-) It's good stuff. Our country was born right here in Philadelphia. Been there. However, the center of United States government is in the District of Columbia, not even in Pennsylvania. You mean UNIFORM Code of Military Justice? :-) Yep - not "universal" as you mistakenly wrote. I've worn the UNIFORM of the United States Army. I've been under the UNIFORM Code of Military Justice for four years. You've done nothing like that. You can never do anything like that. I knew full well what it "stood for." No you didn't. You messed up. Nope. Not once when serving in UNIFORM and being under the UNIFORM Code of Military Justice. You can't say that. You will never be able to say that. I think you didn't really read and understand all the comments. Doesn't bother me at all what you think of me now. I do have all 3,800 filings in WT Docket 05-235 on both hard disk and CD archives. As far as I'm concerned, there was NO "vote for 'CW'" as Speroni put his "analysis" of NPRM 05-143 commentary in WT Docket 05-235. The Commission was notified on what I thought/analyzed in my Exhibit filing of 25 Movember 2005 along with a final tally sheet of the four categories of general comment opinions. Yes, Len, we know you can't deal with facts and opinions different from your own. :-) You are really going the way of Dudly the Imposter. I DEAL with them as they occur. Your problem is that YOU don't like differing opinions. Boo-hoo on you. Yes. You're obviously very jealous. Green with envy. Your behavior shows it. The Hawaiian Morseman? There you go, acting all jealous and envious because someone did a better analysis than you did. "Better?" :-) Ah! Jimmie the Miccolis Morseman loves and cherishes morse code so anything anyone says against it is called "cowardly" under YOUR fabrications. You don't have any Petitions before the Commission, Len. You're too afraid to write one and have it DENIED. Tsk. You are teetering on the edge of sanity. :-) Wait...where is the MICCOLIS Petition? We don't see it! Could it be that Miccolis is "afraid?" More important, you didn't follow the rules on Reply Comments back in 1999. "Rules?" The "rules" are given by the Commission, not by a Miccolis or "the amateur community." :-) Reply Comments are only supposed to be a reply to comments made by others - they are not supposed to bring up new suggestions. Show us that "regulation" or "law," Jimmie. If you wanted to suggest an age requirement, the time to do that was during the Comment period, not the Reply Comment period. Show us that "regulation" or "law," Jimmie. You're just as guilty of procedural mistakes as the folks who send in comments long after the deadline. Show us the "procedural regulations/rules/law" applying to filings' CONTENT, Jimmie. You are simply hostile to anyone who won't accept morse code wholeheartedly. Wrong! R I G H T ! ! ! :-) and don't have any valid reasons for doing so except for canned phrases that were conditioned into your mind by the league. That's simply not the case, Len. You're completely wrong on that. Grow up and accept that yours is not the only way of looking at things. Tsk. I "grew up" in HF radio communications beginning in early 1953. Three dozen high-power transmitters, message traffic 220 thousand per month. Here's a link to that: http://sujan.hallikainen.org/Broadca...s/My3Years.pdf Never used, nor had to use any morse code modes on those three dozen HF transmitters at any time. Why ARE you so obsessed with putting down all who want the code test eliminated? Where have I done that? In this newsgroup. "Google provides." :-) You don't matter to me at all, Len. Then why do you make all those "replies" to me? :-) You will retain your full amateur rank-status-privileges regardless of whether the code test goes away or stays. It's not about those things at all, Len. No? Then why are you so worried and agitated by it? Code testing doesn't involve you at all. It's about what's good and bad for the Amateur Radio Service. Well there we have it! The Lord High Commissioner of Goodness has RULED on what is "good" and what is "bad!" I see the code test as being a good thing for the Amateur Radio service. Sorry, NOT strong enough. As self-appointed Lord High whatever, you MUST state firmly and resolutely ALL that everyone MUST do! Not to worry. There will always be some morseperson around to play with you in your morse playground. Can you be sure? Can you? :-) If I had evidence that you operated an amateur radio station illegally, I would report it to FCC. Enforcement is their job, not mine. Oh, my...do you carry a "shield" that states you are an "official" radio person "authorized by the federal government" or something like that? Don't need any such thing. Yes, we know, you HAVE THE POWER! :-) [hey, Brian, here's another one of those idiots ready to "dial"...] You are neither qualified nor authorized to operate an amateur radio station, Len. How do you know? :-) FCC says you're not qualified to operate an amateur radio station. The FCC has "said" no such thing to me. Yes, they have. In a real document addressed to ME? :-) Maybe in a telephone call? :-) In the regulations. My name isn't mentioned once in the five-volume bound set of Title 47 C.F.R. Not in any Part therein. The ONLY place where my name appeared was on the Government Post Office shippling label that sent me those five volumes. Show us WHERE my name, with appropriate statement of "unqualifications" appears in Title 47 C.F.R. Wow! Several months ago I was looking at the Burbank HRO store station, even tweaked a transceiver dial to tune in a SSB signal clearer! Hey, get the surveilance camera tapes! You might find me on them doing that! Wowee! You can make an ARREST! That's not "operating". Define OPERATING. :-) I have served in the military of the United States. Volunteering during a war time. Taking an oath to defend the United States and its Constitution with my life if needs be. That's a brave act, Len. But it was more than a half-century ago. Tsk. It's something you've NEVER done, Jimmie. I decided it was time to serve my country and volunteered to do so during a war time. You've done NOTHING like that at any time. Not me, Len. We KNOW that, Jimmie. You've NEVER done that. I said you were afraid - and you are. "Afraid of what?" :-) People are afraid of all sorts of things. You must have been AFRAID to risk your precious body in real military service since you didn't volunteer. shrug You were afraid to let your neighbors build two-story houses.... W R O N G . NOT "afraid." MY neighbors did not want the development started that would cut off our view...so much so that we all formed an action committee and we presented our case to the zoning commission in a regular meeting. That VACANT land (about 15 acres) was then UNdeveloped. The contractor won a change of zoning from only Residential to Residential-with- apartments...the existing neighbors lost that fight. The contractor went bankrupt, couldn't develop the land, sold the land to another contractor. THAT contractor built 44 homes (average price $500,000 five years ago) after spending 9 months of re-arranging the vacant land. Our (original 'neighbors') views' were spoiled by those new homes. My neighborhood was NOT "afraid." We took ACTION. That is recorded in the minutes of the City Zoning Commission's meetings. Okay, we neighbors tried and lost. That's the breaks in politics. What you've done is to RE-WRITE what was originally written in here with some weird spin on "courage" and "fear" that YOU invented, fabricated, LIED about. That shows the kind of hostility you exhibit in here. ["Google provides"] But you sure don't display any courage or bravery here.... How so, Lord High Whatever? Is it something about "not following YOUR orders/commands?!?" Fork you, yer Lordship...you don't get to GIVE orders in here. You are NOT QUALIFIED to give orders, you are NOT AUTHORIZED to give orders. You aren't even QUALIFIED to be a barracks lawyer, yet you pretend to be one with your "rules" on comment content! |
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From: on Dec 3, 3:01 pm
K؈B wrote: wrote They're floating museum pieces. In your dreams, landlubber! Just a couple of examples for you..... The USS Constitution, homeported at Boston, is a commissioned US Navy ship (in fact the flagship of the US Navy) with a full active duty crew of sailors. Not a museum (the museum is across the street from her berth). Been there, Hans. There we have it! Presence of his Body makes Him "official." :-) "Old Ironsides" is a museum piece. A fully operational museum piece that actually sails every few years, but a museum piece nonetheless. Her main functions are educational and historic, not military. Morse code testing for an amateur radio license is then also a "museum piece" of no educational or historic (nor military) need. There are many morse code museums around the USA to display the "educational and historic needs" for morse code...no federal license testing is needed to keep up those museums. If morse code is so damn good as a communications mode, then it will survive quite well on its own WITHOUT federal license testing requirements. Strange that all other radio services of the USA quit using morse code for communications... The USCG Barque Eagle, homeported at the Coast Guard Academy in Connecticutt, is a working training ship, used in training future seagoing officers. Does she go out on search and rescue? Is morse code part of search and rescue? Can you shed some light on that or are you blinking in puzzlement? [a clue a la "Jeopardy"] Or is her purpose mostly historic and educational? I'm glad those ships are kept in operation. Why? You are NOT in the USN or USCG, have never served in uniform. You are NOT INVOLVED. But in reality they are working museum pieces. Tsk, tsk. Jimmie should go on a "cruise" (or "float", whatever) with the midshipmen of either academy and see for himself. :-) They're like the steam and first-generation diesel locomotives that a few Class 1 American railroads have kept on their rosters. Those old locos spend most of the time in storage, but are occasionally brought out and run for special purposes. They still work, meet all applicable requirements, and are technically on the active roster - but in reality they're museum pieces. Those old choo-choos are in the military? Do prospective Army Corps of Engineers cadets from West Point, NY, go on railroad "cruises" also? I think not. :-) Do those old choo-choos use morse code for communications? And the main point remains: Sailboats make up far less than 1% of the US military fleet. Was that the "main point?" :-) Bad on me...I thought that AMATEUR RADIO LICENSING was the "main point" in this thread. Must be "wrong." :-) Well, we've all Heard the Word from the Master Mariner of the navel academy. Up-anchor and sail away into the susnet, beeping all the way... :-) |
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