"jim menning" wrote in message
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"Brian Hill" wrote in message
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"jim menning" wrote in message

Let me give my 2-cents worth to say I really oppose your suggestion.

Madeleine McCann is only one of tens of thousands of kids that go
missing each year. Her case is only special because her family can
afford to pay for media hype. Although I can sympathize with her family,
the likelihood that I will see their lost child running around in Grand
Chute, Wisconsin is astronomical. There are many local issues that do
deserve my attention, and even one second to click on the "Mark as read"
button for Madeleine is a waste of my time, caused by some "do-gooder"
who wants to further sensationalize the tragic story.

I'd hesitate to see the floodgates open if any/all crime victims start
to post to ALL binary (or text) groups looking for their kidnapped
children, stolen artwork, or deadbeat daddies. This particular crime
was in Portugal. Let the Portugal/European media and authorities handle
it. No need to waste the time of millions of other people around the
world.

Let Portugal develop their own "Amber Alert" and look for the child that
way.


A waste of your time? My 2c states " You can never do enough to help any
child no matter how rich their family is or how poor and I don't care
what floodgates get opened" My time is worth less than any child.

BH


Yeah, I'm being very selfish. I'll get off my lazy ass, and start going
door to door here, and I won't give up until I find her.

C'mon, Brian. This is one of countless lost children around the world,
and nowhere near where I am. In this particular case, for Madeleine
McCann, there is nothing I can do. Now if you can provide me with
pictures of the lost children in my area, that would be different. For a
child lost in Portugal, let the locals there look for her.


She probably isn't still in Portugal, she could be anyplace by now - can you
guarantee the US isn't where she's been taken?

But quite right - Europe should have its own version of codeamber.

"ian field" wrote in message
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"jim menning" wrote in message
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"Brian Hill" wrote in message ...

"jim menning" wrote in message

Let me give my 2-cents worth to say I really oppose your suggestion.

Madeleine McCann is only one of tens of thousands of kids that go missing each
year. Her case is only special because her family can afford to pay for media
hype. Although I can sympathize with her family, the likelihood that I will see
their lost child running around in Grand Chute, Wisconsin is astronomical.
There are many local issues that do deserve my attention, and even one second to
click on the "Mark as read" button for Madeleine is a waste of my time, caused
by some "do-gooder" who wants to further sensationalize the tragic story.

I'd hesitate to see the floodgates open if any/all crime victims start to post
to ALL binary (or text) groups looking for their kidnapped children, stolen
artwork, or deadbeat daddies. This particular crime was in Portugal. Let the
Portugal/European media and authorities handle it. No need to waste the time of
millions of other people around the world.

Let Portugal develop their own "Amber Alert" and look for the child that way.


A waste of your time? My 2c states " You can never do enough to help any child no
matter how rich their family is or how poor and I don't care what floodgates get
opened" My time is worth less than any child.

BH


Yeah, I'm being very selfish. I'll get off my lazy ass, and start going door to
door here, and I won't give up until I find her.

C'mon, Brian. This is one of countless lost children around the world, and
nowhere near where I am. In this particular case, for Madeleine McCann, there is
nothing I can do. Now if you can provide me with pictures of the lost children in
my area, that would be different. For a child lost in Portugal, let the locals
there look for her.


She probably isn't still in Portugal, she could be anyplace by now - can you
guarantee the US isn't where she's been taken?

You're sidestepping my whole point. It's not just this particular incident with
Madeleine. It's the effect of posting every lost child incident to every binary
group on Usenet (that you suggested) that we are talking about. Remember that?
"This might seem a bit obvious - but why don't you obtain an electronic
picture of her and post it to every binaries group you can think of? "


But quite right - Europe should have its own version of codeamber.


Putting more words in my mouth? Please be careful who you are responding to. I
never mentioned "Codeamber". That was Michael.

"jim menning" wrote in message

Putting more words in my mouth? Please be careful who you are responding
to. I never mentioned "Codeamber". That was Michael.


Jim as far as being logical and realistic, you win in any court of law. You
don't have to defend yourself. Really. It's all Point of View and Opinion.
No body is right.

BH

ian field wrote:

She probably isn't still in Portugal, she could be anyplace by now - can you
guarantee the US isn't where she's been taken?


Don't you think that any airport, port or train station in the area
is on the lookout for her? How would she have made it to the US? Do
you have a working matter transporter you haven't told us about?


Have you looked at that website? It is very slow to load, has an
audio file that comes blasting through the speakers, and only gives
telephone numbers to contact the police departments. there are too many
graphics, as well. They have shot themselves in both feet so many times
its amazing that they are still upright.


If you want help from people, you have to make it easy and
convenient. If I did have some help to offer I couldn't contact them
because I don't have long distance service, let alone international long
distance so I would have no way to contact them.

Their website is less than useless, its a huge waste of time. With a
broadband connection it took over 20 minutes to download all the crap on
the home page from that overloaded server. Advertising the website
worldwide only adds to the overload and may even cause someone with
useful information to give up.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
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ian field wrote:

She probably isn't still in Portugal, she could be anyplace by now - can
you
guarantee the US isn't where she's been taken?


Don't you think that any airport, port or train station in the area
is on the lookout for her? How would she have made it to the US? Do
you have a working matter transporter you haven't told us about?


Have you looked at that website? It is very slow to load, has an
audio file that comes blasting through the speakers, and only gives
telephone numbers to contact the police departments. there are too many
graphics, as well. They have shot themselves in both feet so many times
its amazing that they are still upright.


If you want help from people, you have to make it easy and
convenient. If I did have some help to offer I couldn't contact them
because I don't have long distance service, let alone international long
distance so I would have no way to contact them.

Their website is less than useless, its a huge waste of time. With a
broadband connection it took over 20 minutes to download all the crap on
the home page from that overloaded server. Advertising the website
worldwide only adds to the overload and may even cause someone with
useful information to give up.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Good points.

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
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ian field wrote:

She probably isn't still in Portugal, she could be anyplace by now - can
you
guarantee the US isn't where she's been taken?


Don't you think that any airport, port or train station in the area
is on the lookout for her? How would she have made it to the US? Do
you have a working matter transporter you haven't told us about?


How did someone on a No-Fly list get on not one, but FOUR flights before
finally driving across the border into the US? Not everyone is even noticed
at imigration, let alone recognized.

Brenda Ann wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
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ian field wrote:

She probably isn't still in Portugal, she could be anyplace by now - can
you
guarantee the US isn't where she's been taken?


Don't you think that any airport, port or train station in the area
is on the lookout for her? How would she have made it to the US? Do
you have a working matter transporter you haven't told us about?


How did someone on a No-Fly list get on not one, but FOUR flights before
finally driving across the border into the US? Not everyone is even noticed
at imigration, let alone recognized.


According to the news, only his doctor told him not to travel, and
there was no, no fly order, because there is no procedure in place. The
last instance of a case like this was 40 years ago. According to the
news stories, the laws are being changed, immediately to require doctors
to report these type of cases, and a procedure to make the report.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

ian field wrote:

She probably isn't still in Portugal, she could be anyplace by now
- can you guarantee the US isn't where she's been taken?

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Don't you think that any airport, port or train station in the area
is on the lookout for her? How would she have made it to the US?

You ask "How would she have made it to the US?"

Uh, maybe the same way the TB guy got into the country--right past those
ace border guards. :-(

He'sDoneItAgain wrote:

ian field wrote:

She probably isn't still in Portugal, she could be anyplace by now
- can you guarantee the US isn't where she's been taken?

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Don't you think that any airport, port or train station in the area
is on the lookout for her? How would she have made it to the US?

You ask "How would she have made it to the US?"


So, you think that a four year old child can buy a ticket for an
international flight, and flies by herself to the US? A child that
young has to travel with an escort, and unless she was unconscious you'd
think she would be screaming her head off that she had been kidnapped.
Enough of any medication to make her sleep, yet not kill her would wear
off on a long international flight, long before the plane landed.


Uh, maybe the same way the TB guy got into the country--right past those
ace border guards. :-(


Are you really that dense? There was no procedure in place for
reporting him, or CDC requirements to notify the Airlines so they had no
reason to stop him. The last case like this was 40 years ago, so it
slipped through the cracks when the new laws were written. Also, he's a
ambulance chasing lawyer, so he would have known enough to slip through
cracks that others can't. He should be stripped of his citizenship and
deported to any place that needs a sleazy ambulance chaser.



--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
He'sDoneItAgain wrote:
ian field wrote:

She probably isn't still in Portugal, she could be anyplace by now
- can you guarantee the US isn't where she's been taken?
Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Don't you think that any airport, port or train station in the area
is on the lookout for her? How would she have made it to the US?
You ask "How would she have made it to the US?"


So, you think that a four year old child can buy a ticket for an
international flight, and flies by herself to the US? A child that
young has to travel with an escort, and unless she was unconscious you'd
think she would be screaming her head off that she had been kidnapped.
Enough of any medication to make her sleep, yet not kill her would wear
off on a long international flight, long before the plane landed.

Well, Duh, who says they have to give it to her at the *beginning* of
the flight? They wouldn't give it to her a half hour (or whatever)
before landing? Or at the beginning and then at the end?


Uh, maybe the same way the TB guy got into the country--right past those
ace border guards. :-(

Are you really that dense? There was no procedure in place for
reporting him,

Or are *you* that dense? No procedures in place? Bzzzzt... Wrong!

His name and passport number *was* in the border patrol computer. It
*came up* when they scanned his passport at the point of entry. The
border guard saw it on his computer. So, yes, there WAS a "procedure in
place".

However, the problem was that even though the "procedure" flagged the
guy, the border guard decided "he didn't look sick" so let him go
through. Gee, I didn't realize border guards were required to have a
medical degree ( or that you could tell if someone was sick just by
looking at them).

Billions spent on Homeland "Security" and it still boils down to the
rocket scientist manning the gate... :-(