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Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
David "I'm pretty much stuck promoting crap since I adopted the 'Eduardo' shtick, wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ps.com... Sounds like you've finally matured a bit and now see the merits of FM and the folly of HD-AM. Congratulations. Quite the contrary. It has been known by broadcasters for some time that there is no way to get any significant number of listeners under 55 to tune to AM, and the average age of AM listeners is increasing each year as a consequence. Some AMs have moved to FM. Others are simulcasting. Others have no FM to move to, and are slowly losing revenue. Those AMs have, perhaps, some chance to survive via HD. Otherwise, AM will be pretty much a thing of the past and only relevant or viable for very niche formats or in some rural areas where there are no local FMs. Of course, this is not an immediate do or die type thing; HD can develop over the next few years and AMs can attempt to restore some interest among under-55s via the improved quality. Frackeltonian Thinking at its best! |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
On Sep 3, 12:44 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message ps.com... Sounds like you've finally matured a bit and now see the merits of FM and the folly of HD-AM. Congratulations. Quite the contrary. It has been known by broadcasters for some time that there is no way to get any significant number of listeners under 55 to tune to AM, and the average age of AM listeners is increasing each year as a consequence. Quite the contrary? What is contrary to what? You seem to be replying to someone else's post. |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
"Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 3, 12:44 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ps.com... Sounds like you've finally matured a bit and now see the merits of FM and the folly of HD-AM. Congratulations. Quite the contrary. It has been known by broadcasters for some time that there is no way to get any significant number of listeners under 55 to tune to AM, and the average age of AM listeners is increasing each year as a consequence. Some AMs have moved to FM. Others are simulcasting. Others have no FM to move to, and are slowly losing revenue. Those AMs have, perhaps, some chance to survive via HD. Otherwise, AM will be pretty much a thing of the past and only relevant or viable for very niche formats or in some rural areas where there are no local FMs. Of course, this is not an immediate do or die type thing; HD can develop over the next few years and AMs can attempt to restore some interest among under-55s via the improved quality. Lol. You are such a throw back. You will never lure young people away their iPods, their cellphones and their myspace pages. I suggest you quickly return your head to it's usual, sandy resting place. You're fighting a battle that was lost twenty years ago. In the case of AM news and talk programming, the potential audience is almost entirely 35 and over; AM is losing the 35-50 year olds due to the dreadful sound quality, ambient noise levels in big cities, directional AMs that "go away" at night in many parts of metros, etc. These listeners will use the news and talk formats if delivered in a better quality... FM or HD. As to youth, 96% of 12-24 year olds use radio. Less than before? Yes. But radio is still a very viable means to reach young adult demographics. |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
"Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 3, 12:44 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ps.com... Sounds like you've finally matured a bit and now see the merits of FM and the folly of HD-AM. Congratulations. Quite the contrary. It has been known by broadcasters for some time that there is no way to get any significant number of listeners under 55 to tune to AM, and the average age of AM listeners is increasing each year as a consequence. Quite the contrary? What is contrary to what? You seem to be replying to someone else's post. "Quite the contrary" to what you said my thought process is. I now see HD as perhaps the _only_ hope for AM radio to survive. |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
David "Even though it's a holiday, I'm gonna shill as though it were a regular workday. I've no choice since I got into this 'Eduardo' bag", wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 3, 12:44 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ps.com... Sounds like you've finally matured a bit and now see the merits of FM and the folly of HD-AM. Congratulations. Quite the contrary. It has been known by broadcasters for some time that there is no way to get any significant number of listeners under 55 to tune to AM, and the average age of AM listeners is increasing each year as a consequence. Some AMs have moved to FM. Others are simulcasting. Others have no FM to move to, and are slowly losing revenue. Those AMs have, perhaps, some chance to survive via HD. Otherwise, AM will be pretty much a thing of the past and only relevant or viable for very niche formats or in some rural areas where there are no local FMs. Of course, this is not an immediate do or die type thing; HD can develop over the next few years and AMs can attempt to restore some interest among under-55s via the improved quality. Lol. You are such a throw back. You will never lure young people away their iPods, their cellphones and their myspace pages. I suggest you quickly return your head to it's usual, sandy resting place. You're fighting a battle that was lost twenty years ago. In the case of AM news and talk programming, the potential audience is almost entirely 35 and over; AM is losing the 35-50 year olds due to the dreadful sound quality, ambient noise levels in big cities, directional AMs that "go away" at night in many parts of metros, etc. These listeners will use the news and talk formats if delivered in a better quality... FM or HD. As to youth, 96% of 12-24 year olds use radio. Less than before? Yes. But radio is still a very viable means to reach young adult demographics. Frackeltonian Thinking, yet again. |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
David "Shilling is now my entire life, ever since I became 'Eduardo'", wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 3, 12:44 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ps.com... Sounds like you've finally matured a bit and now see the merits of FM and the folly of HD-AM. Congratulations. Quite the contrary. It has been known by broadcasters for some time that there is no way to get any significant number of listeners under 55 to tune to AM, and the average age of AM listeners is increasing each year as a consequence. Quite the contrary? What is contrary to what? You seem to be replying to someone else's post. "Quite the contrary" to what you said my thought process is. I now see HD as perhaps the _only_ hope for AM radio to survive. Wow... even more Frackeltonian Thinking! |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
On Sep 3, 12:44?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message ps.com... Sounds like you've finally matured a bit and now see the merits of FM and the folly of HD-AM. Congratulations. Quite the contrary. It has been known by broadcasters for some time that there is no way to get any significant number of listeners under 55 to tune to AM, and the average age of AM listeners is increasing each year as a consequence. Some AMs have moved to FM. Others are simulcasting. Others have no FM to move to, and are slowly losing revenue. Those AMs have, perhaps, some chance to survive via HD. Otherwise, AM will be pretty much a thing of the past and only relevant or viable for very niche formats or in some rural areas where there are no local FMs. Of course, this is not an immediate do or die type thing; HD can develop over the next few years and AMs can attempt to restore some interest among under-55s via the improved quality. INSIDERADIO: "INSIDE STORY: News/Talk/Sports: Radio's Last Bastion" "Music FMs of any flavor are utterly screwed... Which is why News/Talk/ Sports is radio's last bastion... Right now -- while FMs are losing the music audience to new media -- satellite radio is offering more News/Talk/Sports programming than we can fit on AM radio... Accordingly, I urge owners of AM/FM clusters which include a News/Talk/ Sports AM to drop an FM music format and simulcast the News/Talk/ Sports AM... Imagine how smart you will look if -- suddenly -- your entire market can now hear the News/Talk/Sports assets which are radio's most-Sales-friendly programming..." http://ftp.media.radcity.net/ZMST/daily/IS031005.htm Claiming that AM radio is dying, when the music FMs are screwed - yea, IBOC, with its jamming and poor coverage, is going to same AM ! You are nothing more than an IBOC shill-parrot ! |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
On Sep 3, 12:59 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 3, 12:44 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message oups.com... Sounds like you've finally matured a bit and now see the merits of FM and the folly of HD-AM. Congratulations. Quite the contrary. It has been known by broadcasters for some time that there is no way to get any significant number of listeners under 55 to tune to AM, and the average age of AM listeners is increasing each year as a consequence. Some AMs have moved to FM. Others are simulcasting. Others have no FM to move to, and are slowly losing revenue. Those AMs have, perhaps, some chance to survive via HD. Otherwise, AM will be pretty much a thing of the past and only relevant or viable for very niche formats or in some rural areas where there are no local FMs. Of course, this is not an immediate do or die type thing; HD can develop over the next few years and AMs can attempt to restore some interest among under-55s via the improved quality. Lol. You are such a throw back. You will never lure young people away their iPods, their cellphones and their myspace pages. I suggest you quickly return your head to it's usual, sandy resting place. You're fighting a battle that was lost twenty years ago. In the case of AM news and talk programming, the potential audience is almost entirely 35 and over; AM is losing the 35-50 year olds due to the dreadful sound quality, ambient noise levels in big cities, directional AMs that "go away" at night in many parts of metros, etc. These listeners will use the news and talk formats if delivered in a better quality... FM or HD. As to youth, 96% of 12-24 year olds use radio. Less than before? Yes. But radio is still a very viable means to reach young adult demographics.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, you keep dreaming. I hear that record albums are also going to make a comeback. lol |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
On Sep 3, 1:01 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 3, 12:44 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message oups.com... Sounds like you've finally matured a bit and now see the merits of FM and the folly of HD-AM. Congratulations. Quite the contrary. It has been known by broadcasters for some time that there is no way to get any significant number of listeners under 55 to tune to AM, and the average age of AM listeners is increasing each year as a consequence. Quite the contrary? What is contrary to what? You seem to be replying to someone else's post. "Quite the contrary" to what you said my thought process is. I now see HD as perhaps the _only_ hope for AM radio to survive.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, if your aren't able to bring AM back, see what you can do about the horse and buggy. I think that if you just put a better suspension in some of those old buggys, people would start using them again. Young people won't tolerate poor suspensions. |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
"dxAce" wrote in message ... As to youth, 96% of 12-24 year olds use radio. Less than before? Yes. But radio is still a very viable means to reach young adult demographics. Frackeltonian Thinking, yet again. Nope, not any single person's thinking. It is the data from Arbitron in the first two People Metered markets. |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
"dxAce" wrote in message ... I now see HD as perhaps the _only_ hope for AM radio to survive. Wow... even more Frackeltonian Thinking! OK, genius... how do you suggest that AM radio stations reverse the downtrend in total listening and the fact that only people over 50 use them, for the most part? I'm sure you have a plan, or you would not so brashly dismiss people actually in the business who are working to preserve the viability of AM. |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
David Frackelton Gleason, "My thought processes are so screwed up that I not only believe in failed technology, I actually think one of my names is 'Eduardo'", wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... I now see HD as perhaps the _only_ hope for AM radio to survive. Wow... even more Frackeltonian Thinking! OK, genius... how do you suggest that AM radio stations reverse the downtrend in total listening and the fact that only people over 50 use them, for the most part? I'm sure you have a plan, or you would not so brashly dismiss people actually in the business who are working to preserve the viability of AM. Yeah, by messing up the band with failed technology. Now that is Frackeltonian Thinking! |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
"IBOCcrock" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 3, 12:44?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ps.com... Sounds like you've finally matured a bit and now see the merits of FM and the folly of HD-AM. Congratulations. Quite the contrary. It has been known by broadcasters for some time that there is no way to get any significant number of listeners under 55 to tune to AM, and the average age of AM listeners is increasing each year as a consequence. Some AMs have moved to FM. Others are simulcasting. Others have no FM to move to, and are slowly losing revenue. Those AMs have, perhaps, some chance to survive via HD. Otherwise, AM will be pretty much a thing of the past and only relevant or viable for very niche formats or in some rural areas where there are no local FMs. Of course, this is not an immediate do or die type thing; HD can develop over the next few years and AMs can attempt to restore some interest among under-55s via the improved quality. INSIDERADIO: "INSIDE STORY: News/Talk/Sports: Radio's Last Bastion" "Music FMs of any flavor are utterly screwed... Which is why News/Talk/ Sports is radio's last bastion... Right now -- while FMs are losing the music audience to new media -- satellite radio is offering more News/Talk/Sports programming than we can fit on AM radio... Accordingly, I urge owners of AM/FM clusters which include a News/Talk/ Sports AM to drop an FM music format and simulcast the News/Talk/ Sports AM... Imagine how smart you will look if -- suddenly -- your entire market can now hear the News/Talk/Sports assets which are radio's most-Sales-friendly programming..." Claiming that AM radio is dying, when the music FMs are screwed - yea, IBOC, with its jamming and poor coverage, is going to same AM ! You are nothing more than an IBOC shill-parrot ! That quote is from an interview (probably with Walt Sabo or Holland Cooke) with a consultant who wants to sell stations services that involve converting FMs to talk. It is not the opinion of Inside Radio. Man, even your quotes are misquoted. Of course that person is going to dismiss music radio, as he sells talk radio services. The fact is that FMs playing music are not screwed... those with good content and good music will work no matter what the distribution method is... FM, WiMax, etc. The ones that are jukeboxes with an antennas will not do as well, although there will be a market for free radio for many many years if not decades. HD jams little or nothing that is actually relevant or being listened to. HD digital coverage is as good as the analog "usable" coverage of an AM (around 10 mv/m in metros) and the newer chipsets perform much better than the pretty dreadful first generation radios that came out in the first wave. In fact, on my third generation car radio I get LA's KNX in HD to beyond its 5 mv/m contour... where the analog signal is subject to lots of noise, the HD is clear. But don't let facts mess with your agenda. |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
"Steve" wrote in message ups.com... As to youth, 96% of 12-24 year olds use radio. Less than before? Yes. But radio is still a very viable means to reach young adult demographics.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, you keep dreaming. I hear that record albums are also going to make a comeback. lol Your opinion vs. hundreds of thousands of Arbitron diarykeepers each quarter. |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
"dxAce" wrote in message ... David Frackelton Gleason, "My thought processes are so screwed up that I not only believe in failed technology, I actually think one of my names is 'Eduardo'", wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... I now see HD as perhaps the _only_ hope for AM radio to survive. Wow... even more Frackeltonian Thinking! OK, genius... how do you suggest that AM radio stations reverse the downtrend in total listening and the fact that only people over 50 use them, for the most part? I'm sure you have a plan, or you would not so brashly dismiss people actually in the business who are working to preserve the viability of AM. Yeah, by messing up the band with failed technology. The band is already "messed up" by the FCC licensing too many stations that have never been viable. You do know, I hope, that during the entire period that data was available, from the mid-50's to the mid-90's, half of all US radio stations did not make money? Today, there are few AMs that can survive for long... mostly the big high power or non-directional metro stations, or rural AMs in underserved communities. Making jokes about "failed" technologies that are, in fact, at the very beginning of their development helps in no conceivable way. |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
David "Damn, I'm having a hard time here trying to persuade these folks that HD/IBOC is the way of the future like my handlers told me to do. Oh well, I can always fall back on my 'Eduardo' shtick", wrote: "IBOCcrock" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 3, 12:44?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ps.com... Sounds like you've finally matured a bit and now see the merits of FM and the folly of HD-AM. Congratulations. Quite the contrary. It has been known by broadcasters for some time that there is no way to get any significant number of listeners under 55 to tune to AM, and the average age of AM listeners is increasing each year as a consequence. Some AMs have moved to FM. Others are simulcasting. Others have no FM to move to, and are slowly losing revenue. Those AMs have, perhaps, some chance to survive via HD. Otherwise, AM will be pretty much a thing of the past and only relevant or viable for very niche formats or in some rural areas where there are no local FMs. Of course, this is not an immediate do or die type thing; HD can develop over the next few years and AMs can attempt to restore some interest among under-55s via the improved quality. INSIDERADIO: "INSIDE STORY: News/Talk/Sports: Radio's Last Bastion" "Music FMs of any flavor are utterly screwed... Which is why News/Talk/ Sports is radio's last bastion... Right now -- while FMs are losing the music audience to new media -- satellite radio is offering more News/Talk/Sports programming than we can fit on AM radio... Accordingly, I urge owners of AM/FM clusters which include a News/Talk/ Sports AM to drop an FM music format and simulcast the News/Talk/ Sports AM... Imagine how smart you will look if -- suddenly -- your entire market can now hear the News/Talk/Sports assets which are radio's most-Sales-friendly programming..." Claiming that AM radio is dying, when the music FMs are screwed - yea, IBOC, with its jamming and poor coverage, is going to same AM ! You are nothing more than an IBOC shill-parrot ! That quote is from an interview (probably with Walt Sabo or Holland Cooke) with a consultant who wants to sell stations services that involve converting FMs to talk. It is not the opinion of Inside Radio. Man, even your quotes are misquoted. Of course that person is going to dismiss music radio, as he sells talk radio services. The fact is that FMs playing music are not screwed... those with good content and good music will work no matter what the distribution method is... FM, WiMax, etc. The ones that are jukeboxes with an antennas will not do as well, although there will be a market for free radio for many many years if not decades. HD jams little or nothing that is actually relevant or being listened to. HD digital coverage is as good as the analog "usable" coverage of an AM (around 10 mv/m in metros) and the newer chipsets perform much better than the pretty dreadful first generation radios that came out in the first wave. In fact, on my third generation car radio I get LA's KNX in HD to beyond its 5 mv/m contour... where the analog signal is subject to lots of noise, the HD is clear. But don't let facts mess with your agenda. That's right, don't let the facts dissuade you from claiming that you're Hispanic! LMFAO dxAce Michigan USA |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
David "I'm gonna hype this crap no matter what anybody says cause I'm a fruit-loop who also poses as 'Eduardo'", wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... David Frackelton Gleason, "My thought processes are so screwed up that I not only believe in failed technology, I actually think one of my names is 'Eduardo'", wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... I now see HD as perhaps the _only_ hope for AM radio to survive. Wow... even more Frackeltonian Thinking! OK, genius... how do you suggest that AM radio stations reverse the downtrend in total listening and the fact that only people over 50 use them, for the most part? I'm sure you have a plan, or you would not so brashly dismiss people actually in the business who are working to preserve the viability of AM. Yeah, by messing up the band with failed technology. The band is already "messed up" by the FCC licensing too many stations that have never been viable. You do know, I hope, that during the entire period that data was available, from the mid-50's to the mid-90's, half of all US radio stations did not make money? Today, there are few AMs that can survive for long... mostly the big high power or non-directional metro stations, or rural AMs in underserved communities. Making jokes about "failed" technologies that are, in fact, at the very beginning of their development helps in no conceivable way. Well, it is failed technology no matter how much you are paid to hype it. Please, run along, and practice your toe tapping code. |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
On Sep 3, 1:55 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message ups.com... As to youth, 96% of 12-24 year olds use radio. Less than before? Yes. But radio is still a very viable means to reach young adult demographics.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, you keep dreaming. I hear that record albums are also going to make a comeback. lol Your opinion vs. hundreds of thousands of Arbitron diarykeepers each quarter. The "diarykeepers" don't think that record albums will come back? |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
On Sep 3, 1:58 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message ... David Frackelton Gleason, "My thought processes are so screwed up that I not only believe in failed technology, I actually think one of my names is 'Eduardo'", wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... I now see HD as perhaps the _only_ hope for AM radio to survive. Wow... even more Frackeltonian Thinking! OK, genius... how do you suggest that AM radio stations reverse the downtrend in total listening and the fact that only people over 50 use them, for the most part? I'm sure you have a plan, or you would not so brashly dismiss people actually in the business who are working to preserve the viability of AM. Yeah, by messing up the band with failed technology. The band is already "messed up" by the FCC licensing too many stations that have never been viable. You do know, I hope, that during the entire period that data was available, from the mid-50's to the mid-90's, half of all US radio stations did not make money? Today, there are few AMs that can survive for long... mostly the big high power or non-directional metro stations, or rural AMs in underserved communities. Making jokes about "failed" technologies that are, in fact, at the very beginning of their development helps in no conceivable way.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Whose joking? Even the horse and buggy is a new technology of you compare it to, say, the lever and fulcrum. |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
"dxAce" wrote in message ... That's right, don't let the facts dissuade you from claiming that you're Hispanic! "Hispanic" is a culture. A person who spends 80% of their life, and all of their adult life in a culture will be of that culture. |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
"Steve" wrote in message oups.com... On Sep 3, 1:55 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ups.com... As to youth, 96% of 12-24 year olds use radio. Less than before? Yes. But radio is still a very viable means to reach young adult demographics.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, you keep dreaming. I hear that record albums are also going to make a comeback. lol Your opinion vs. hundreds of thousands of Arbitron diarykeepers each quarter. The "diarykeepers" don't think that record albums will come back? No, but they are responsible for the placement of most of the $21 billion dollars in radio advertising each year. www.arbitron.com "Cleverness" about record albums (still a term of the trade used by "record companies" to refer to their product) will not change the fact that all the recognized data about radio usage today contradicts your totally un-supported opinions. |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
David "Yes, I am bat **** crazy, that's why I pose as 'Eduardo'", wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... That's right, don't let the facts dissuade you from claiming that you're Hispanic! "Hispanic" is a culture. A person who spends 80% of their life, and all of their adult life in a culture will be of that culture. Or pretend to be, as you do. Now, as I suggested earlier, please run along and practice your toe tapping code. |
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On Sep 3, 1:58 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
.. Making jokes about "failed" technologies that are, in fact, at the very beginning of their development helps in no conceivable way.- Hide quoted text - But it doesn't hurt in any conceivable way either, does it? Well, except for people, like you, who are out to make money off of HD. I think it could actually be a great thing if AM stations die. Think how fascinating it will be to see what springs up in their place on the MW band. Pirates, perhaps? New utilities? The possibilities are endless. Please don't stand in the way of this Golden Age. Please stop living in the past. Please stop trying to block progress. And please keep your feet to yourself in the men's room stalls. |
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"dxAce" wrote in message ... David "Yes, I am bat **** crazy, that's why I pose as 'Eduardo'", wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... That's right, don't let the facts dissuade you from claiming that you're Hispanic! "Hispanic" is a culture. A person who spends 80% of their life, and all of their adult life in a culture will be of that culture. Or pretend to be, as you do. A person can not pretend to be of a cultural group. For example, many second generation US Hispanics are bicultural, and have elements of both "American" culture and Hispanic culture. In many cases, such people are really of a third, distinct culture, which is based on being bilingual and speaking a "special" language that is a mix of English and Spanish. In any case, culture is acquired by the individual by exposure... anyone who is nearly 100% immersed in a culture from an early age is going to be of that culture about 99%. Since you are unemployed, you might take some time to study cultural anthropology and sociology. It would benefit you greatly; I've seldom encountered an international DXer with such a mean and horrible cultural bias and such a total lack of understanding of any language but American English. Burdick and Lederer were writing about you and those like you. |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
"Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... In posted on Mon, 3 Sep 2007 08:01:33 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin People under 50 to 55 will just not listen to the quality of AM radio. Wouldn't have anything to do with the whole dial being full of bloviating right wing programming, would it? The current programming is the only thing that still works on AM. Talk on the other side of the spectrum has failed miserably in many, many markets... What else do you suggest (and i can probably count the hundreds of times it has been tried and failed for you). |
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Try to gag me,,,,,, I will shoot your ass!!!
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Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
"Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... In posted on Mon, 3 Sep 2007 10:36:32 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin Nope, not any single person's thinking. It is the data from Arbitron in the first two People Metered markets. How can you be sure that Arbitron or Neil son or whomever, actually does a survey, and how many respondents really are there, and is their claimed demographic true or just wishful thinking? That's the level of unsubstantiated faith that packs 'em into the god houses every sunday and drains their wallets. Unlike communication with God, Arbitron and Nielsen are audited by a committee of researchers and statisticians named by the advertising industry which has a vested interest in the outcome of ratings. The methodology has to be extensively proven (6 years of field tests for the People Meter) to get approval, and every year an extensive audit of the sample, themethodology and the processing is done. For the diary-based survey, all subscribers can actually see the completed diaries for each market and check every page. This has been true for 4 decades, and Arbitron has a suite of 10 offices where one can perform as many checks as they want. The fact that nobody in the ad business questions the surveys would indicate that each person has satisfied all these "conspiracy" questions long ago. |
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On Sep 3, 2:36 pm, Bart Bailey wrote:
In posted on Mon, 3 Sep 2007 08:01:33 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin People under 50 to 55 will just not listen to the quality of AM radio. Wouldn't have anything to do with the whole dial being full of bloviating right wing programming, would it? -- Bart Lol. It's Tardo's wet dream that we all end up listening to hour long informerials about colloidal silver and human growth hormone in digital. |
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On Sep 3, 2:48 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... In posted on Mon, 3 Sep 2007 08:01:33 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin People under 50 to 55 will just not listen to the quality of AM radio. Wouldn't have anything to do with the whole dial being full of bloviating right wing programming, would it? The current programming is the only thing that still works on AM. You see, what you fail to grasp is that it is not working. AM is rapidly dying. It is losing every demographic except perhaps those who are 50+. You really need to face facts and stop living in the past. You sound like you're still in 1943. |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
On Sep 3, 2:48 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... In posted on Mon, 3 Sep 2007 08:01:33 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin People under 50 to 55 will just not listen to the quality of AM radio. Wouldn't have anything to do with the whole dial being full of bloviating right wing programming, would it? The current programming is the only thing that still works on AM. Talk on the other side of the spectrum has failed miserably in many, many markets... What else do you suggest (and i can probably count the hundreds of times it has been tried and failed for you). I suggest doing absolutely nothing. AM is dying. Let it die. Stop living in the past. Embrace the future. Accept progress because it is inevitable. You have to realize that time does not stand still for anyone, not even Ibiquity's stockholders. |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
"Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... In posted on Mon, 3 Sep 2007 10:55:25 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin hundreds of thousands of Arbitron diarykeepers Now, that's marketing hype if ever there was! probably only a handful of bored trailer trash that even respond, thinking there must be a catch, and if guess correctly, they could win. The sample size is published in each ratings report. The socioeconomic levels match the market, the ages match, the ethnicity matches, the geography matches. And we can see every diary for every market that we are licensed for... I have been looking at them for 37 years, and never spotted "missing diaries" or any other irregularity. Every market has a diary target, and the targets are met within a few percent every time (or the report is cancelled, like New Orleans at the time of Katrina). |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
"Steve" wrote in message s.com... On Sep 3, 2:36 pm, Bart Bailey wrote: In posted on Mon, 3 Sep 2007 08:01:33 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin People under 50 to 55 will just not listen to the quality of AM radio. Wouldn't have anything to do with the whole dial being full of bloviating right wing programming, would it? -- Bart Lol. It's Tardo's wet dream that we all end up listening to hour long informerials about colloidal silver and human growth hormone in digital. The reason you hear these and the reason why you think them funny is that infomercials and brokered slots are what sustain a large percentage of AM stations today. |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
David "Yeah, I'm still trying to sell this HD/IBOC crap, and pose as 'Eduardo' at the same time", wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... David "Yes, I am bat **** crazy, that's why I pose as 'Eduardo'", wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... That's right, don't let the facts dissuade you from claiming that you're Hispanic! "Hispanic" is a culture. A person who spends 80% of their life, and all of their adult life in a culture will be of that culture. Or pretend to be, as you do. A person can not pretend to be of a cultural group. For example, many second generation US Hispanics are bicultural, and have elements of both "American" culture and Hispanic culture. In many cases, such people are really of a third, distinct culture, which is based on being bilingual and speaking a "special" language that is a mix of English and Spanish. In any case, culture is acquired by the individual by exposure... anyone who is nearly 100% immersed in a culture from an early age is going to be of that culture about 99%. Since you are unemployed, you might take some time to study cultural anthropology and sociology. Already took a whole bunch of classes. Ya see Edweenie, I actually have a college degree. And, I'm not unemployed, I'm retired. It would benefit you greatly; I've seldom encountered an international DXer with such a mean and horrible cultural bias and such a total lack of understanding of any language but American English. Burdick and Lederer were writing about you and those like you. Sigmund Freud wrote about you, and those like you: Bat **** crazy! |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
"Steve" wrote in message oups.com... On Sep 3, 2:48 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... In posted on Mon, 3 Sep 2007 08:01:33 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin People under 50 to 55 will just not listen to the quality of AM radio. Wouldn't have anything to do with the whole dial being full of bloviating right wing programming, would it? The current programming is the only thing that still works on AM. You see, what you fail to grasp is that it is not working. AM is rapidly dying. It is losing every demographic except perhaps those who are 50+. You really need to face facts and stop living in the past. You sound like you're still in 1943. I have already stated that nearly all AM audience is over 45, and a majority over 55. That is the problem; the only fix is to broaden the appeal of AM via HD because under-55's will listen to the existing content but will not listen to AM quality. |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
On Sep 3, 3:08 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... In posted on Mon, 3 Sep 2007 10:55:25 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin hundreds of thousands of Arbitron diarykeepers Now, that's marketing hype if ever there was! probably only a handful of bored trailer trash that even respond, thinking there must be a catch, and if guess correctly, they could win. The sample size is published in each ratings report. The socioeconomic levels match the market, the ages match, the ethnicity matches, the geography matches. And we can see every diary for every market that we are licensed for... I have been looking at them for 37 years, and never spotted "missing diaries" or any other irregularity. Every market has a diary target, and the targets are met within a few percent every time (or the report is cancelled, like New Orleans at the time of Katrina). Sounds like you should go into a new business recycling all of these diaries. At least then you'd be in a business with a future. You're never going to talk people out of progress. Time marches on. Deal with it. |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
On Sep 3, 3:11 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message oups.com... On Sep 3, 2:48 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... In posted on Mon, 3 Sep 2007 08:01:33 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin People under 50 to 55 will just not listen to the quality of AM radio. Wouldn't have anything to do with the whole dial being full of bloviating right wing programming, would it? The current programming is the only thing that still works on AM. You see, what you fail to grasp is that it is not working. AM is rapidly dying. It is losing every demographic except perhaps those who are 50+. You really need to face facts and stop living in the past. You sound like you're still in 1943. I have already stated that nearly all AM audience is over 45, and a majority over 55. That is the problem; the only fix is to broaden the appeal of AM via HD because under-55's will listen to the existing content but will not listen to AM quality.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yes, but the point obviously hasn't taken hold of you yet because you still insist on living in the past. AM is dead, so let it go and embrace newer technologies. I don't think you appreciate the sorry state of AM programming today. |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
"Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 3, 2:48 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... In posted on Mon, 3 Sep 2007 08:01:33 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin People under 50 to 55 will just not listen to the quality of AM radio. Wouldn't have anything to do with the whole dial being full of bloviating right wing programming, would it? The current programming is the only thing that still works on AM. Talk on the other side of the spectrum has failed miserably in many, many markets... What else do you suggest (and i can probably count the hundreds of times it has been tried and failed for you). I suggest doing absolutely nothing. AM is dying. Let it die. Stop living in the past. Embrace the future. Accept progress because it is inevitable. You have to realize that time does not stand still for anyone, not even Ibiquity's stockholders. iBiquity has only about 8 or 10 shareholders... and "they are us" to some extent. Many larger radio companies helped finance the establishment of iBiquity based on the the AT&T / Lucent wpork and patents. The reason, over 10 years ago, was to find a way to offer digital services on band for AM and FM. Separate AM solutions had been proven not to work back with C Quam AM stereo, so the decision was reached that AM, already in decline, would only have a chance if it rode on a technology that FM would push... the problem with AM is the audio quality and analog noise, and HD fixes that quite handsomely. |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
On Sep 3, 3:10 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message s.com... On Sep 3, 2:36 pm, Bart Bailey wrote: In posted on Mon, 3 Sep 2007 08:01:33 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin People under 50 to 55 will just not listen to the quality of AM radio. Wouldn't have anything to do with the whole dial being full of bloviating right wing programming, would it? -- Bart Lol. It's Tardo's wet dream that we all end up listening to hour long informerials about colloidal silver and human growth hormone in digital. The reason you hear these and the reason why you think them funny is that infomercials and brokered slots are what sustain a large percentage of AM stations today.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The reason this type of programming sustains a large percentage of AM stations today is because AM has lost practically all of its listeners who are below the age of 50. The younger listeners are no longer there and this is a fact whether you accept it or not. |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
"Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... In posted on Mon, 3 Sep 2007 11:48:08 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin "Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... spectrum has failed miserably in many, many markets... What else do you suggest (and i can probably count the hundreds of times it has been tried and failed for you). A true left of center format, not some watered down Rush style screed from a pseudo left station owned by a mega corp like Clear Channel, I'm talking about KLSD 1360 here. Say, if a true left format like Pacifica is so benign, why did the right wing conspiritors of xlnc have to plop down on KPFK's freq? KPFK had no guaranteed or protected coverage in San Diego county, by US or any other law. Grandfathered stations are protected to the extent of a compliant Class B in Los Angeles, and that means to about San Juan Capistrano in Orange County, so XHLNC is totally legal... and was founded and owned by a member of Mexico's most liberal party at the time... the PRI. KPFK hardly has any listeners in LA, and did not register any in San Diego prior to XHLNC going on. |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
On Sep 3, 3:15 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 3, 2:48 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... In posted on Mon, 3 Sep 2007 08:01:33 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin People under 50 to 55 will just not listen to the quality of AM radio. Wouldn't have anything to do with the whole dial being full of bloviating right wing programming, would it? The current programming is the only thing that still works on AM. Talk on the other side of the spectrum has failed miserably in many, many markets... What else do you suggest (and i can probably count the hundreds of times it has been tried and failed for you). I suggest doing absolutely nothing. AM is dying. Let it die. Stop living in the past. Embrace the future. Accept progress because it is inevitable. You have to realize that time does not stand still for anyone, not even Ibiquity's stockholders. iBiquity has only about 8 or 10 shareholders... and "they are us" to some extent. Many larger radio companies helped finance the establishment of iBiquity based on the the AT&T / Lucent wpork and patents. The reason, over 10 years ago, was to find a way to offer digital services on band for AM and FM. Separate AM solutions had been proven not to work back with C Quam AM stereo, so the decision was reached that AM, already in decline, would only have a chance if it rode on a technology that FM would push... the problem with AM is the audio quality and analog noise, and HD fixes that quite handsomely. - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - And a pillow will make a horse-drawn carriage ride better. Good luck with that. |
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