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Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
"dxAce" wrote in message ... Already took a whole bunch of classes. Ya see Edweenie, I actually have a college degree. And, I'm not unemployed, I'm retired. A retired person is not employed. So you are unemployed. Obviously, the classes you took did no good if they were in any of the social sciences or languages. |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
"Steve" wrote in message oups.com... of Katrina). Sounds like you should go into a new business recycling all of these diaries. At least then you'd be in a business with a future. They are already recycled. They are scanned and saved electroincally, and the paper is recycled. Has been this way for aobut a decade or more. You're never going to talk people out of progress. Time marches on. Deal with it. That is why we have electronic measurement now, totally devoid of paper. |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
"Steve" wrote in message oups.com... Yes, but the point obviously hasn't taken hold of you yet because you still insist on living in the past. AM is dead, so let it go and embrace newer technologies. I don't think you appreciate the sorry state of AM programming today. The AMs with good signals are not dead, and can be enhanced by technology. The ones with bad signals are, for the moment, surviving in many cases with brokered or religious shows. And in many rural markets, AMs are quite viable. But, in the near future, something has to be done to "modernize" the audio of AMs on the same band the stations are on now; some inferior stations may die, but AM can be viable for some time with change. |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
"Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... In posted on Mon, 3 Sep 2007 11:52:30 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin Unlike communication with God, Arbitron and Nielsen are audited by a committee of researchers and statisticians named by the advertising industry which has a vested interest in the outcome of ratings. So they get the results they want or they don't pay? No, the agencies don't pay to begin with. Radio pays, as it is a sales tool. That circular logic is like vodoun, only works if you believe it, and even then failures are just written off as 'not enough faith'. You don't understand the purpose of ratings. It is to sell advertising by providing a metric. Radio or TV provide ratings, newspapers and magazines provide audited circulation. This data is given to advertisers to facilitate the evaluation of the media. |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
David "I am truly bat **** crazy to keep on trying convince people that I'm really 'Eduardo'", wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Already took a whole bunch of classes. Ya see Edweenie, I actually have a college degree. And, I'm not unemployed, I'm retired. A retired person is not employed. So you are unemployed. No, I'm retired, 'tard boy. Obviously, the classes you took did no good if they were in any of the social sciences or languages. They did plenty of good, oh fake one. Now run along and tap! |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
"Steve" wrote in message ups.com... - Show quoted text - The reason this type of programming sustains a large percentage of AM stations today is because AM has lost practically all of its listeners who are below the age of 50. The younger listeners are no longer there and this is a fact whether you accept it or not. That is essentially my point. But the programming, if transported to FM with better quality, leaps upwards in 35-54 listeners, proving that the main difficulty of AM is the audio, a problem HD fixes for stations with decent signals. |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
On Sep 3, 1:14?pm, Steve wrote:
On Sep 3, 12:59 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message oups.com... On Sep 3, 12:44 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message oups.com... Sounds like you've finally matured a bit and now see the merits of FM and the folly of HD-AM. Congratulations. Quite the contrary. It has been known by broadcasters for some time that there is no way to get any significant number of listeners under 55 to tune to AM, and the average age of AM listeners is increasing each year as a consequence. Some AMs have moved to FM. Others are simulcasting. Others have no FM to move to, and are slowly losing revenue. Those AMs have, perhaps, some chance to survive via HD. Otherwise, AM will be pretty much a thing of the past and only relevant or viable for very niche formats or in some rural areas where there are no local FMs. Of course, this is not an immediate do or die type thing; HD can develop over the next few years and AMs can attempt to restore some interest among under-55s via the improved quality. Lol. You are such a throw back. You will never lure young people away their iPods, their cellphones and their myspace pages. I suggest you quickly return your head to it's usual, sandy resting place. You're fighting a battle that was lost twenty years ago. In the case of AM news and talk programming, the potential audience is almost entirely 35 and over; AM is losing the 35-50 year olds due to the dreadful sound quality, ambient noise levels in big cities, directional AMs that "go away" at night in many parts of metros, etc. These listeners will use the news and talk formats if delivered in a better quality... FM or HD. As to youth, 96% of 12-24 year olds use radio. Less than before? Yes. But radio is still a very viable means to reach young adult demographics.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, you keep dreaming. I hear that record albums are also going to make a comeback. lol- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Wait until this happens - you'll be eating your words: "HD Radio - Wherefore Art Thou?" "Just contemplate that thought for a second before moving on, because there's something around the corner that may cripple HD Radio far worse than lackluster consumer interest, or inability to get the product on store shelves. Second's up. If the push to make broadcast radio pay the same exorbitant fees for "performance royalties" that internet radio is facing wins, every side-channel that's in this rush to HD will be included in the invoice. How's that for an HD Radio killer?" http://www.audiographics.com/agd/080207-1.htm "House Judiciary Committee Hearing on Broadcast Performance Right - No Breaks for the Broadcasters" "Congressman Howard Berman chairs the subcommittee, and he opened the hearing with a summary of the issues - indicating that he expected that the committee would move legislation this year to impose a performance royalty on broadcasters." http://tinyurl.com/ysrnf8 |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
"dxAce" wrote in message ... David "I am truly bat **** crazy to keep on trying convince people that I'm really 'Eduardo'", wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Already took a whole bunch of classes. Ya see Edweenie, I actually have a college degree. And, I'm not unemployed, I'm retired. A retired person is not employed. So you are unemployed. No, I'm retired, 'tard boy. As I said, a retired person (And I said "retired" and not "retarded" which may be my error) does not work. That means such a person is unemployed. |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
On Sep 3, 1:54?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"IBOCcrock" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 3, 12:44?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message oups.com... Sounds like you've finally matured a bit and now see the merits of FM and the folly of HD-AM. Congratulations. Quite the contrary. It has been known by broadcasters for some time that there is no way to get any significant number of listeners under 55 to tune to AM, and the average age of AM listeners is increasing each year as a consequence. Some AMs have moved to FM. Others are simulcasting. Others have no FM to move to, and are slowly losing revenue. Those AMs have, perhaps, some chance to survive via HD. Otherwise, AM will be pretty much a thing of the past and only relevant or viable for very niche formats or in some rural areas where there are no local FMs. Of course, this is not an immediate do or die type thing; HD can develop over the next few years and AMs can attempt to restore some interest among under-55s via the improved quality. INSIDERADIO: "INSIDE STORY: News/Talk/Sports: Radio's Last Bastion" "Music FMs of any flavor are utterly screwed... Which is why News/Talk/ Sports is radio's last bastion... Right now -- while FMs are losing the music audience to new media -- satellite radio is offering more News/Talk/Sports programming than we can fit on AM radio... Accordingly, I urge owners of AM/FM clusters which include a News/Talk/ Sports AM to drop an FM music format and simulcast the News/Talk/ Sports AM... Imagine how smart you will look if -- suddenly -- your entire market can now hear the News/Talk/Sports assets which are radio's most-Sales-friendly programming..." Claiming that AM radio is dying, when the music FMs are screwed - yea, IBOC, with its jamming and poor coverage, is going to same AM ! You are nothing more than an IBOC shill-parrot ! That quote is from an interview (probably with Walt Sabo or Holland Cooke) with a consultant who wants to sell stations services that involve converting FMs to talk. It is not the opinion of Inside Radio. Man, even your quotes are misquoted. Of course that person is going to dismiss music radio, as he sells talk radio services. The fact is that FMs playing music are not screwed... those with good content and good music will work no matter what the distribution method is... FM, WiMax, etc. The ones that are jukeboxes with an antennas will not do as well, although there will be a market for free radio for many many years if not decades. HD jams little or nothing that is actually relevant or being listened to. HD digital coverage is as good as the analog "usable" coverage of an AM (around 10 mv/m in metros) and the newer chipsets perform much better than the pretty dreadful first generation radios that came out in the first wave. In fact, on my third generation car radio I get LA's KNX in HD to beyond its 5 mv/m contour... where the analog signal is subject to lots of noise, the HD is clear. But don't let facts mess with your agenda.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The digital signals are only 1% of the analog - IBOC's coverage isn't even 50% that of analogs ! |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
Didn't Les Stroud (Survivorman) guy just recently survive the Amazon
Jungle in Equador? Ahhhhh,,,, binga banga bungle,,,,, I don't ever want to leave the Jungle,,, ahh boom dahh eyyy,,,,,,,, cuhulin .................................................. ...... untill that painter cat scared the crap out of him. .................................................. ...... |
Terrestrial Radio's Sinking Ship !
On Sep 3, 2:30?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message oups.com... On Sep 3, 1:55 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message roups.com... As to youth, 96% of 12-24 year olds use radio. Less than before? Yes. But radio is still a very viable means to reach young adult demographics.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, you keep dreaming. I hear that record albums are also going to make a comeback. lol Your opinion vs. hundreds of thousands of Arbitron diarykeepers each quarter. The "diarykeepers" don't think that record albums will come back? No, but they are responsible for the placement of most of the $21 billion dollars in radio advertising each year. www.arbitron.com "Cleverness" about record albums (still a term of the trade used by "record companies" to refer to their product) will not change the fact that all the recognized data about radio usage today contradicts your totally un-supported opinions.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "HD Radio vs. Internet Radio - Which is Radio's Future?" "Of those who were "Very or Somewhat Interested" in owning HD radio, 3% were "very interested". However, with these respondents, we followed up with the question "Would you buy an HD radio in the next two months?" only 1.0% responded "yes". Asked if they ever visited a retail store to look at or try an HD radio receiver, 30 members of our sample of 3179 said they had. That is less than 1%." "According to John Blackledge analyst with JP Morgan, Internet radio advertising is estimated at $500M this year (2007). Bridge Ratings estimates that by 2020 Internet radio is projected to generate revenues equal those terrestrial radio acheived in 2006." http://www.bridgeratings.com/press_0...vsInternet.htm Ha! Ha! Sucka ! |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
David "Yes, I've had a certain problem ever since I was a young lad, that's why I felt compelled to pose as 'Eduardo' and pretend that I'm Hispanic", wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... David "I am truly bat **** crazy to keep on trying convince people that I'm really 'Eduardo'", wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Already took a whole bunch of classes. Ya see Edweenie, I actually have a college degree. And, I'm not unemployed, I'm retired. A retired person is not employed. So you are unemployed. No, I'm retired, 'tard boy. As I said, a retired person (And I said "retired" and not "retarded" which may be my error) does not work. That means such a person is unemployed. I'm retired. Get that through your f00kin screwed up fake Hispanic brain. Damn, you're bat **** crazy! |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
On Sep 3, 3:23 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message oups.com... Yes, but the point obviously hasn't taken hold of you yet because you still insist on living in the past. AM is dead, so let it go and embrace newer technologies. I don't think you appreciate the sorry state of AM programming today. The AMs with good signals are not dead, and can be enhanced by technology. The ones with bad signals are, for the moment, surviving in many cases with brokered or religious shows. And in many rural markets, AMs are quite viable. But, in the near future, something has to be done to "modernize" the audio of AMs on the same band the stations are on now; some inferior stations may die, but AM can be viable for some time with change. I wish I could make the world's young consumers throw away their ipods and develop a keen interest in colloidal silver, but I can't. No one can. I'm sorry, but it's time to modernize. |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
Can Eduardo survive the Amazon Jungle? I am not saying I could.I will
never go there anyway. cuhulin, the survivor |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
On Sep 3, 3:26 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message ups.com... - Show quoted text - The reason this type of programming sustains a large percentage of AM stations today is because AM has lost practically all of its listeners who are below the age of 50. The younger listeners are no longer there and this is a fact whether you accept it or not. That is essentially my point. But the programming, if transported to FM with better quality, leaps upwards in 35-54 listeners, proving that the main difficulty of AM is the audio, a problem HD fixes for stations with decent signals. I'm afraid you're wanting to apply bandaids to serious wounds. Perhaps you just don't appreciate the seriousness of the problem. My guess is you don't believe me when I say that AM has lost nearly all of its listeners how are younger than 50, but it is a fact. Verify it for yourself. Young people are interested in ipods, myspace and cell phones. They're not interested in your colloidal silver and "Amazing HGH". Whether you like it or not, it's time to modernize. |
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On Sep 3, 3:28 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message ... David "I am truly bat **** crazy to keep on trying convince people that I'm really 'Eduardo'", wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Already took a whole bunch of classes. Ya see Edweenie, I actually have a college degree. And, I'm not unemployed, I'm retired. A retired person is not employed. So you are unemployed. No, I'm retired, 'tard boy. As I said, a retired person (And I said "retired" and not "retarded" which may be my error) does not work. That means such a person is unemployed.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No it doesn't. A person can retire from one occupation and still be actively engaged in another. |
A Hole in the Air - HD Radio?
On Sep 3, 2:48?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... In posted on Mon, 3 Sep 2007 08:01:33 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin People under 50 to 55 will just not listen to the quality of AM radio. Wouldn't have anything to do with the whole dial being full of bloviating right wing programming, would it? The current programming is the only thing that still works on AM. Talk on the other side of the spectrum has failed miserably in many, many markets... What else do you suggest (and i can probably count the hundreds of times it has been tried and failed for you). "A Hole in the Air - HD Radio?" http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...a3078d688302a3 Notice my comment - they are everywhe http://tinyurl.com/3c9aeu Geat sufff - hugh ! |
A Hole in the Air
On Sep 3, 2:48?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... In posted on Mon, 3 Sep 2007 08:01:33 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin People under 50 to 55 will just not listen to the quality of AM radio. Wouldn't have anything to do with the whole dial being full of bloviating right wing programming, would it? The current programming is the only thing that still works on AM. Talk on the other side of the spectrum has failed miserably in many, many markets... What else do you suggest (and i can probably count the hundreds of times it has been tried and failed for you). "A Hole in the Air" http://notionscapital.wordpress.com/...le-in-the-air/ Notice my comment - they are everywhe http://tinyurl.com/3c9aeu Great stuff, hugh ! |
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"IBOCcrock" wrote in message oups.com... The digital signals are only 1% of the analog - IBOC's coverage isn't even 50% that of analogs ! Digital has totally different properties than analog. I have seen plenty of data showing the HD signal, on a 3rd generation receiver, is robust beyond the "usable" signal range of analog AM or FM, which is the 10 mv/m AM curve and the 64 dbu FM contour. |
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"dxAce" wrote in message ... I'm retired. Get that through your f00kin screwed up fake Hispanic brain. It irritates you to be unemployed? Students, for the most part, are unemployed. So are stay-at home moms, or invalids. You either work or do not work. Those who do not work are unemployed. |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
"Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 3, 3:26 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ups.com... - Show quoted text - The reason this type of programming sustains a large percentage of AM stations today is because AM has lost practically all of its listeners who are below the age of 50. The younger listeners are no longer there and this is a fact whether you accept it or not. That is essentially my point. But the programming, if transported to FM with better quality, leaps upwards in 35-54 listeners, proving that the main difficulty of AM is the audio, a problem HD fixes for stations with decent signals. I'm afraid you're wanting to apply bandaids to serious wounds. Perhaps you just don't appreciate the seriousness of the problem. My guess is you don't believe me when I say that AM has lost nearly all of its listeners how are younger than 50, but it is a fact. Actually, I have the real ratings data and you do not. And the AM issue is one of quality, not of listeners per se. FM has solid listening, over 95% usage per week, from age 12 up to over 65. What we have here is a challenge to improve AM quality, and the only way is a system that is compatible with FM digital. And that is HD. |
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On Sep 3, 3:56 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message ... I'm retired. Get that through your f00kin screwed up fake Hispanic brain. It irritates you to be unemployed? Students, for the most part, are unemployed. So are stay-at home moms, or invalids. You either work or do not work. Those who do not work are unemployed. And unless you accept modernization you will soon be unemployed. |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
"Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 3, 3:28 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... David "I am truly bat **** crazy to keep on trying convince people that I'm really 'Eduardo'", wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Already took a whole bunch of classes. Ya see Edweenie, I actually have a college degree. And, I'm not unemployed, I'm retired. A retired person is not employed. So you are unemployed. No, I'm retired, 'tard boy. As I said, a retired person (And I said "retired" and not "retarded" which may be my error) does not work. That means such a person is unemployed.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No it doesn't. A person can retire from one occupation and still be actively engaged in another. The only thing dxAss is actively engaged in is the dispensation of vitriol; he never adds to a discussion but, instead, insults the participants. The guy is devoid of thoughts and full of bile and invective. |
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"Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 3, 3:56 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... I'm retired. Get that through your f00kin screwed up fake Hispanic brain. It irritates you to be unemployed? Students, for the most part, are unemployed. So are stay-at home moms, or invalids. You either work or do not work. Those who do not work are unemployed. And unless you accept modernization you will soon be unemployed. I doubt it... our stations are doing just fine, with increases in revenue in a year where most broadcasters are flat. |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
David Frackelton Gleason "Yes, I know that I'm bat **** crazy and that's why mommy sent me away. I now pose as 'Eduardo' and my psychiatrist is trying to figure that one out", wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... I'm retired. Get that through your f00kin screwed up fake Hispanic brain. It irritates you to be unemployed? Students, for the most part, are unemployed. So are stay-at home moms, or invalids. You either work or do not work. Those who do not work are unemployed. You are indeed bat **** crazy! |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
On Sep 3, 3:58 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 3, 3:26 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message roups.com... - Show quoted text - The reason this type of programming sustains a large percentage of AM stations today is because AM has lost practically all of its listeners who are below the age of 50. The younger listeners are no longer there and this is a fact whether you accept it or not. That is essentially my point. But the programming, if transported to FM with better quality, leaps upwards in 35-54 listeners, proving that the main difficulty of AM is the audio, a problem HD fixes for stations with decent signals. I'm afraid you're wanting to apply bandaids to serious wounds. Perhaps you just don't appreciate the seriousness of the problem. My guess is you don't believe me when I say that AM has lost nearly all of its listeners how are younger than 50, but it is a fact. Actually, I have the real ratings data and you do not. And the AM issue is one of quality, not of listeners per se. FM has solid listening, over 95% usage per week, from age 12 up to over 65. What we have here is a challenge to improve AM quality, and the only way is a system that is compatible with FM digital. And that is HD.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - If you have the data, why won't you read it and take it to heart? You can't breathe new life into the horse-drawn carriage by putting shiny new wheels on it. I appreciate that you probably have an emotional investment in AM that makes it hard to acknowledge the challenges it faces, but it will be easier to confront the facts now than later. Seriously, I wish things were different. I wish I could convince young people not to buy ipods or iphones. I wish I could convince them to stay away from myspace and facebook, but I can't. No one can. The sooner you face this fact that better. |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
David "Damn, I'm running out of ways to convince these folks that failed technology will really work", wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 3, 3:28 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... David "I am truly bat **** crazy to keep on trying convince people that I'm really 'Eduardo'", wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Already took a whole bunch of classes. Ya see Edweenie, I actually have a college degree. And, I'm not unemployed, I'm retired. A retired person is not employed. So you are unemployed. No, I'm retired, 'tard boy. As I said, a retired person (And I said "retired" and not "retarded" which may be my error) does not work. That means such a person is unemployed.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No it doesn't. A person can retire from one occupation and still be actively engaged in another. The only thing dxAss is actively engaged in is the dispensation of vitriol; he never adds to a discussion but, instead, insults the participants. The guy is devoid of thoughts and full of bile and invective. Awww... poor little mentally ill, bat **** crazy, fake Hispanic. Cry me a rio!!! |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
On Sep 3, 4:00 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 3, 3:56 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... I'm retired. Get that through your f00kin screwed up fake Hispanic brain. It irritates you to be unemployed? Students, for the most part, are unemployed. So are stay-at home moms, or invalids. You either work or do not work. Those who do not work are unemployed. And unless you accept modernization you will soon be unemployed. I doubt it... our stations are doing just fine, with increases in revenue in a year where most broadcasters are flat.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'm glad you had a good year, but what you fail to understand is that your good fortune cannot continue as it has up until now. While you probably don't want to believe this, it is a fact that AM has lost virtually all of its listeners under the age of 50. Were you aware of this? Please think about what this means, for it suggests that, as the years go by, your audience is shrinking. You can bury your head in the sand and entertain yourself with a short term fix here or a dose of colloidal silver there, but time is running out. |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... I'm retired. Get that through your f00kin screwed up fake Hispanic brain. It irritates you to be unemployed? Students, for the most part, are unemployed. So are stay-at home moms, or invalids. You either work or do not work. Those who do not work are unemployed. Eduardo, trolling at its best. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote: "IBOCcrock" wrote in message oups.com... The digital signals are only 1% of the analog - IBOC's coverage isn't even 50% that of analogs ! Digital has totally different properties than analog. I have seen plenty of data showing the HD signal, on a 3rd generation receiver, is robust beyond the "usable" signal range of analog AM or FM, which is the 10 mv/m AM curve and the 64 dbu FM contour. Gee, to bad you don't understand what that means. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 3, 3:26 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ups.com... - Show quoted text - The reason this type of programming sustains a large percentage of AM stations today is because AM has lost practically all of its listeners who are below the age of 50. The younger listeners are no longer there and this is a fact whether you accept it or not. That is essentially my point. But the programming, if transported to FM with better quality, leaps upwards in 35-54 listeners, proving that the main difficulty of AM is the audio, a problem HD fixes for stations with decent signals. I'm afraid you're wanting to apply bandaids to serious wounds. Perhaps you just don't appreciate the seriousness of the problem. My guess is you don't believe me when I say that AM has lost nearly all of its listeners how are younger than 50, but it is a fact. Actually, I have the real ratings data and you do not. And the AM issue is one of quality, not of listeners per se. FM has solid listening, over 95% usage per week, from age 12 up to over 65. What we have here is a challenge to improve AM quality, and the only way is a system that is compatible with FM digital. And that is HD. The only thing I've noticed is that your Troll posts are up 100% in the news group. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ups.com... On Sep 3, 2:48 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Bart Bailey" wrote in message ... In posted on Mon, 3 Sep 2007 08:01:33 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin People under 50 to 55 will just not listen to the quality of AM radio. Wouldn't have anything to do with the whole dial being full of bloviating right wing programming, would it? The current programming is the only thing that still works on AM. Talk on the other side of the spectrum has failed miserably in many, many markets... What else do you suggest (and i can probably count the hundreds of times it has been tried and failed for you). I suggest doing absolutely nothing. AM is dying. Let it die. Stop living in the past. Embrace the future. Accept progress because it is inevitable. You have to realize that time does not stand still for anyone, not even Ibiquity's stockholders. iBiquity has only about 8 or 10 shareholders... and "they are us" to some extent. Snip Well just thank God that more people will not be losing money on this venture. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
"Steve" wrote in message oups.com... On Sep 3, 3:58 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: And the AM issue is one of quality, not of listeners per se. FM has solid listening, over 95% usage per week, from age 12 up to over 65. What we have here is a challenge to improve AM quality, and the only way is a system that is compatible with FM digital. And that is HD.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - If you have the data, why won't you read it and take it to heart? You can't breathe new life into the horse-drawn carriage by putting shiny new wheels on it. I appreciate that you probably have an emotional investment in AM that makes it hard to acknowledge the challenges it faces, but it will be easier to confront the facts now than later. There are 430 AM stations billing over $1,000,000 a year, and ten billing over $33 million. 2523 AMs are in the top 10 in billing in the rated markets. 15 of the top 50 billing stations in America are AM. AM is not dead yet, but the number of viable stations is low; all of those high billing 15 stations are stations that fully cover their markets, although not all are 50 kw clear channel stations. The problem is that the programming on those stations works, but the appeal to the generations that grew up on FM is lessened by the quality of AM sound. Put the same format on FM, and it literally explodes in younger demos. The answer is to fixs the sound, not to give up on billions of dollars in assets and many tens of thousands of jobs. Seriously, I wish things were different. I wish I could convince young people not to buy ipods or iphones. I wish I could convince them to stay away from myspace and facebook, but I can't. No one can. The sooner you face this fact that better. Various studies show that iPod users are greater consumers of radio than non-users of iPods. The other things you mention are no different than the completion from 45 rpm records, 8 Tracks, cassettes, video games, etc. There are lots of entertainment choices, and always have been. In the 50's, TV was going to kill radio... it just made radio change for the better. HD is one of the changes that could improve AM radio; it certainly opens up many opportunities for FMs to provide more formats and services in better quality. |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
"dxAce" wrote in message ... The only thing dxAss is actively engaged in is the dispensation of vitriol; he never adds to a discussion but, instead, insults the participants. The guy is devoid of thoughts and full of bile and invective. Awww... poor little mentally ill, bat **** crazy, fake Hispanic. Cry me a rio!!! You just proved my point. |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
David Frackelton Gleason, so bat **** crazy his mommy drove him to pose as 'Eduardo', wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... The only thing dxAss is actively engaged in is the dispensation of vitriol; he never adds to a discussion but, instead, insults the participants. The guy is devoid of thoughts and full of bile and invective. Awww... poor little mentally ill, bat **** crazy, fake Hispanic. Cry me a rio!!! You just proved my point. That you're a poor little mentally ill, bat **** crazy, fake Hispanic? |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
"Steve" wrote in message ps.com... On Sep 3, 4:00 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: I'm glad you had a good year, but what you fail to understand is that your good fortune cannot continue as it has up until now. While you probably don't want to believe this, it is a fact that AM has lost virtually all of its listeners under the age of 50. Were you aware of this? Please think about what this means, for it suggests that, as the years go by, your audience is shrinking. You can bury your head in the sand and entertain yourself with a short term fix here or a dose of colloidal silver there, but time is running out. Actually, using our LA AM as an example, we have an average age of 41. That means about half our listeners are 40 or under, in fact. Or KTCK, The Ticket in Dallas... average age is 43. And that is a top 10 radio station there, and #2 in overall billing in Dallas, right behind WBAP (an AM) and right before KRLD (another AM). None of these stations is dead. The average age for AM listening is just under 50, so half the listeners are UNDER 50 at present. Your statement is totally wrong, in fact. Radio as an industry knows, however, that the under 50 or under 55 listenership is decreasing. The average age of AM listeners increases by 1 year every 18 months. This is not a good trend, since advertisers have little or no interest in listeners over 50. So there is concern, and a desire to do something before the listening becomes predominantly 55+, and sales start decreasing. Many big AMs are, in fact, showing flat or slightly weaker sales... but we are talking about market leading stations with huge revenues. SO before you call for the piper and a nice dirge, note that radio is anticipating a problem, not living one. |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
"Steve" wrote in message ups.com... I don't blame him for being full of bile and invective. He's probably sick of hearing you preach about how we have to cling to the technologies of the past. Far better than hearing you lie about the composition of radio audiences. |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
"dxAce" wrote in message ... So solly cholly, I'm receiving Social Security, not welfare. I also receive my pension from the Union, and next year I'll get my pension from the Company. I also have about $180,000 invested that I can tap into as well. In other words, you have no job. That means you are not employed. |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
"Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "IBOCcrock" wrote in message oups.com... The digital signals are only 1% of the analog - IBOC's coverage isn't even 50% that of analogs ! Digital has totally different properties than analog. I have seen plenty of data showing the HD signal, on a 3rd generation receiver, is robust beyond the "usable" signal range of analog AM or FM, which is the 10 mv/m AM curve and the 64 dbu FM contour. Gee, to bad you don't understand what that means. I understand perfectly. I did one of the first studies of listenership vs. signal strength over a decade ago. |
Ibiquity's "Gag Order" on engineers
"dxAce" wrote in message ... David Frackelton Gleason, so bat **** crazy his mommy drove him to pose as 'Eduardo', wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... The only thing dxAss is actively engaged in is the dispensation of vitriol; he never adds to a discussion but, instead, insults the participants. The guy is devoid of thoughts and full of bile and invective. Awww... poor little mentally ill, bat **** crazy, fake Hispanic. Cry me a rio!!! You just proved my point. That you're a poor little mentally ill, bat **** crazy, fake Hispanic? No, that you never contribute anything to a discussion except insults, bias, prejudice, racism and insults. You prove it constantly. |
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