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David Frackelton Gleason, "Yes, my whole life has been a pack of lies ever since
I was a young lad. That's why I now pose as 'Eduardo', continuing that
tradition", wrote:

"Steve" wrote in message
ups.com...

I don't blame him for being full of bile and invective. He's probably
sick of hearing you preach about how we have to cling to the
technologies of the past.


Far better than hearing you lie about the composition of radio audiences.

Speaking of lying... you do a pretty good job, Frackelton!

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David "Yes, I know I'm an idiot, that's why I pose as 'Eduardo'", wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


So solly cholly, I'm receiving Social Security, not welfare. I also
receive my
pension from the Union, and next year I'll get my pension from the
Company. I also
have about $180,000 invested that I can tap into as well.


In other words, you have no job. That means you are not employed.

Yeah! But I'm not "unemployed", you stinking piece of fake Hispanic ****!

LMFAO at the dip**** who poses as 'Eduardo'!

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David Frackelton Gleason, the originator of "Frackeltonian Thinking" and known
fake Hispanic poseur 'Eduardo', wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Frackelton Gleason, so bat **** crazy his mommy drove him to pose as
'Eduardo', wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


The only thing dxAss is actively engaged in is the dispensation of
vitriol;
he never adds to a discussion but, instead, insults the participants.
The
guy is devoid of thoughts and full of bile and invective.

Awww... poor little mentally ill, bat **** crazy, fake Hispanic.

Cry me a rio!!!


You just proved my point.

That you're a poor little mentally ill, bat **** crazy, fake Hispanic?

No, that you never contribute anything to a discussion except insults, bias,
prejudice, racism and insults. You prove it constantly.

I think you prove constantly that you're a poor little mentally ill, bat ****
crazy, fake Hispanic!

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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"IBOCcrock" wrote in message
oups.com...

The digital signals are only 1% of the analog - IBOC's coverage isn't
even 50% that of analogs !


Digital has totally different properties than analog. I have seen plenty
of
data showing the HD signal, on a 3rd generation receiver, is robust
beyond
the "usable" signal range of analog AM or FM, which is the 10 mv/m AM
curve
and the 64 dbu FM contour.

Gee, to bad you don't understand what that means.

I understand perfectly. I did one of the first studies of listenership vs.
signal strength over a decade ago.

I'm pretty sure reading your posts you have no understanding volts per
meter means. I don't think you know what dBu is either.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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On Sep 3, 6:56 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

ups.com...



I don't blame him for being full of bile and invective. He's probably
sick of hearing you preach about how we have to cling to the
technologies of the past.

Far better than hearing you lie about the composition of radio audiences.

You might not like it, but it's a fact. The AM audience is getting
older by the minute. Just about all of the listeners younger than 50
have already left. Soon no one will be listening. You must modernize
or you will soon be out of business. Those are the facts. You must
live with them.

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On Sep 3, 6:55 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

ps.com...

On Sep 3, 4:00 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

I'm glad you had a good year, but what you fail to understand is that
your good fortune cannot continue as it has up until now. While you
probably don't want to believe this, it is a fact that AM has lost
virtually all of its listeners under the age of 50. Were you aware of
this? Please think about what this means, for it suggests that, as the
years go by, your audience is shrinking. You can bury your head in the
sand and entertain yourself with a short term fix here or a dose of
colloidal silver there, but time is running out.

Actually, using our LA AM as an example, we have an average age of 41. That
means about half our listeners are 40 or under, in fact.

Or KTCK, The Ticket in Dallas... average age is 43. And that is a top 10
radio station there, and #2 in overall billing in Dallas, right behind WBAP
(an AM) and right before KRLD (another AM). None of these stations is dead.

The average age for AM listening is just under 50, so half the listeners are
UNDER 50 at present. Your statement is totally wrong, in fact.

Whatever. It's an aging audience nonetheless, and getting older with
every tick of the clock. You must modernize or you will soon be
extinct.


Radio as an industry knows, however, that the under 50 or under 55
listenership is decreasing. The average age of AM listeners increases by 1
year every 18 months. This is not a good trend, since advertisers have
little or no interest in listeners over 50. So there is concern, and a
desire to do something before the listening becomes predominantly 55+, and
sales start decreasing. Many big AMs are, in fact, showing flat or slightly
weaker sales... but we are talking about market leading stations with huge
revenues.

SO before you call for the piper and a nice dirge, note that radio is
anticipating a problem, not living one.

Until you come to grips with the reality confronting you, and stop
clinging to decades old technology, you have no chance of surviving.
You must stop clinging to the past and get serious about the problems
facing you.

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Steve wrote:

On Sep 3, 6:55 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

ps.com...

On Sep 3, 4:00 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

I'm glad you had a good year, but what you fail to understand is that
your good fortune cannot continue as it has up until now. While you
probably don't want to believe this, it is a fact that AM has lost
virtually all of its listeners under the age of 50. Were you aware of
this? Please think about what this means, for it suggests that, as the
years go by, your audience is shrinking. You can bury your head in the
sand and entertain yourself with a short term fix here or a dose of
colloidal silver there, but time is running out.

Actually, using our LA AM as an example, we have an average age of 41. That
means about half our listeners are 40 or under, in fact.

Or KTCK, The Ticket in Dallas... average age is 43. And that is a top 10
radio station there, and #2 in overall billing in Dallas, right behind WBAP
(an AM) and right before KRLD (another AM). None of these stations is dead.

The average age for AM listening is just under 50, so half the listeners are
UNDER 50 at present. Your statement is totally wrong, in fact.

Whatever. It's an aging audience nonetheless, and getting older with
every tick of the clock. You must modernize or you will soon be
extinct.


Radio as an industry knows, however, that the under 50 or under 55
listenership is decreasing. The average age of AM listeners increases by 1
year every 18 months. This is not a good trend, since advertisers have
little or no interest in listeners over 50. So there is concern, and a
desire to do something before the listening becomes predominantly 55+, and
sales start decreasing. Many big AMs are, in fact, showing flat or slightly
weaker sales... but we are talking about market leading stations with huge
revenues.

SO before you call for the piper and a nice dirge, note that radio is
anticipating a problem, not living one.

Until you come to grips with the reality confronting you, and stop
clinging to decades old technology, you have no chance of surviving.
You must stop clinging to the past and get serious about the problems
facing you.

If he was serious about facing his problems he would have started around age 12.

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David "I'm trying to perfect my toe tapping routine, that's why I use the name
'Eduardo'", wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Frackelton Gleason, so bat **** crazy his mommy drove him to pose as
'Eduardo', wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


The only thing dxAss is actively engaged in is the dispensation of
vitriol;
he never adds to a discussion but, instead, insults the participants.
The
guy is devoid of thoughts and full of bile and invective.

Awww... poor little mentally ill, bat **** crazy, fake Hispanic.

Cry me a rio!!!


You just proved my point.

That you're a poor little mentally ill, bat **** crazy, fake Hispanic?

No, that you never contribute anything to a discussion except insults, bias,
prejudice, racism and insults.

You're becoming quite the Liberal, Edweenie!

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In article ,
David Eduardo wrote:
Actually, nearly all audience for AMs is concentrated in talk formats that
are all news, nwes/talk or sports. There is very little listening to
anything else.

Seems like there is very little else that is ever broadcast on AM, so you
don't have any choice of what to listen to.
--

jhhaynes at earthlink dot net

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Swampygal (from Louisiana) in Ohio wants to buy a good Chevrolet Malibu
car.My old buddy got his wife's Malibu car when she bought a new
Chevrolet car a few years ago.I have been trying to get him to sell me
that Malibu car.He also owns a very nice Chevrolet pickup truck.I am not
going to let Swampygal know about his Malibu car.I have first dibs on
it.
cuhulin

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On Sep 3, 3:55?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"IBOCcrock" wrote in message

oups.com...



The digital signals are only 1% of the analog - IBOC's coverage isn't
even 50% that of analogs !

Digital has totally different properties than analog. I have seen plenty of
data showing the HD signal, on a 3rd generation receiver, is robust beyond
the "usable" signal range of analog AM or FM, which is the 10 mv/m AM curve
and the 64 dbu FM contour.

"A Station Owner's View of HD Radio Industry"

"We were told back in the beginning that the HD coverage would be
equal to the analog signal. Unfortunately, the industry is now finding
out this is not the case, that the HD coverage is considerably less,
something like 60% of the analog coverage. We've also found that even
in a strong HD signal area, a dipole antenna is required. We were also
told that the HD would lessen interference with adjacent channel
signals. That also appears not to be the case. This is really very
discouraging and is leading us to wonder why we should bother to
promote HD. To do so will only disappoint, and, perhaps, antagonize a
significant segment of the audience who finds that the system doesn't
deliver."

http://www.audiographics.com/agd/061206-1.htm

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"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David "Yes, I know I'm an idiot, that's why I pose as 'Eduardo'", wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


So solly cholly, I'm receiving Social Security, not welfare. I also
receive my
pension from the Union, and next year I'll get my pension from the
Company. I also
have about $180,000 invested that I can tap into as well.


In other words, you have no job. That means you are not employed.

Yeah! But I'm not "unemployed", you stinking piece of fake Hispanic ****!


The term "unemployed" per the Oxford American Dictionary means, simply,
"without a job." The Encarta dictionary says, "jobless."

Both of those fit your status.

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On Sep 3, 6:44 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

oups.com...





On Sep 3, 3:58 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

And the AM issue is one of quality, not of listeners per se. FM has solid
listening, over 95% usage per week, from age 12 up to over 65. What we
have
here is a challenge to improve AM quality, and the only way is a system
that
is compatible with FM digital. And that is HD.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

If you have the data, why won't you read it and take it to heart? You
can't breathe new life into the horse-drawn carriage by putting shiny
new wheels on it. I appreciate that you probably have an emotional
investment in AM that makes it hard to acknowledge the challenges it
faces, but it will be easier to confront the facts now than later.

There are 430 AM stations billing over $1,000,000 a year, and ten billing
over $33 million. 2523 AMs are in the top 10 in billing in the rated
markets. 15 of the top 50 billing stations in America are AM.

AM is not dead yet, but the number of viable stations is low; all of those
high billing 15 stations are stations that fully cover their markets,
although not all are 50 kw clear channel stations.


You're damned straight it's low, and it will get lower if you refuse
to face reality. AM must modernize, and I don't mean a quick, digital
paint job...I mean a real overhaul. Otherwise you will soon be out of
a job.


The problem is that the programming on those stations works, but the appeal
to the generations that grew up on FM is lessened by the quality of AM
sound. Put the same format on FM, and it literally explodes in younger
demos. The answer is to fixs the sound, not to give up on billions of
dollars in assets and many tens of thousands of jobs.

This is where you talk yourself into believing that the problems
confronting AM are not real. This is really where you need to work.
The problems facing you now are serious, and urgent. You must face
them and deal with them. You must modernize.

Seriously, I wish things were different. I wish I could convince young
people not to buy ipods or iphones. I wish I could convince them to
stay away from myspace and facebook, but I can't. No one can. The
sooner you face this fact that better.

Various studies show that iPod users are greater consumers of radio than
non-users of iPods. The other things you mention are no different than the
completion from 45 rpm records, 8 Tracks, cassettes, video games, etc. There
are lots of entertainment choices, and always have been. In the 50's, TV was
going to kill radio... it just made radio change for the better. HD is one
of the changes that could improve AM radio; it certainly opens up many
opportunities for FMs to provide more formats and services in better
quality.

Thus speaks David "Pollyanna" Eduardo. Fine. Just let AM go one just
as it always has. Let the audience continue aging while not attracting
any new blood, and see where it gets you. Soon you'll be running
infomercials about cemetery plots.

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David "Yeah, I know I can't face reality, so I pose as 'Eduardo'", wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David "Yes, I know I'm an idiot, that's why I pose as 'Eduardo'", wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


So solly cholly, I'm receiving Social Security, not welfare. I also
receive my
pension from the Union, and next year I'll get my pension from the
Company. I also
have about $180,000 invested that I can tap into as well.


In other words, you have no job. That means you are not employed.

Yeah! But I'm not "unemployed", you stinking piece of fake Hispanic ****!


The term "unemployed" per the Oxford American Dictionary means, simply,
"without a job." The Encarta dictionary says, "jobless."

Both of those fit your status.

Fake Hispanic fits yours!

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Steve wrote:

On Sep 3, 6:44 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

oups.com...





On Sep 3, 3:58 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

And the AM issue is one of quality, not of listeners per se. FM has solid
listening, over 95% usage per week, from age 12 up to over 65. What we
have
here is a challenge to improve AM quality, and the only way is a system
that
is compatible with FM digital. And that is HD.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

If you have the data, why won't you read it and take it to heart? You
can't breathe new life into the horse-drawn carriage by putting shiny
new wheels on it. I appreciate that you probably have an emotional
investment in AM that makes it hard to acknowledge the challenges it
faces, but it will be easier to confront the facts now than later.

There are 430 AM stations billing over $1,000,000 a year, and ten billing
over $33 million. 2523 AMs are in the top 10 in billing in the rated
markets. 15 of the top 50 billing stations in America are AM.

AM is not dead yet, but the number of viable stations is low; all of those
high billing 15 stations are stations that fully cover their markets,
although not all are 50 kw clear channel stations.

You're damned straight it's low, and it will get lower if you refuse
to face reality. AM must modernize, and I don't mean a quick, digital
paint job...I mean a real overhaul. Otherwise you will soon be out of
a job.


The problem is that the programming on those stations works, but the appeal
to the generations that grew up on FM is lessened by the quality of AM
sound. Put the same format on FM, and it literally explodes in younger
demos. The answer is to fixs the sound, not to give up on billions of
dollars in assets and many tens of thousands of jobs.

This is where you talk yourself into believing that the problems
confronting AM are not real. This is really where you need to work.
The problems facing you now are serious, and urgent. You must face
them and deal with them. You must modernize.

Seriously, I wish things were different. I wish I could convince young
people not to buy ipods or iphones. I wish I could convince them to
stay away from myspace and facebook, but I can't. No one can. The
sooner you face this fact that better.

Various studies show that iPod users are greater consumers of radio than
non-users of iPods. The other things you mention are no different than the
completion from 45 rpm records, 8 Tracks, cassettes, video games, etc. There
are lots of entertainment choices, and always have been. In the 50's, TV was
going to kill radio... it just made radio change for the better. HD is one
of the changes that could improve AM radio; it certainly opens up many
opportunities for FMs to provide more formats and services in better
quality.

Thus speaks David "Pollyanna" Eduardo. Fine. Just let AM go one just
as it always has. Let the audience continue aging while not attracting
any new blood, and see where it gets you. Soon you'll be running
infomercials about cemetery plots.

Cemetary plots... used to be part of the Gleason family business!

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"David Eduardo" wrote in message
...
The average age for AM listening is just under 50, so half the listeners
are UNDER 50 at present. Your statement is totally wrong, in fact.

Eduardo,

Your math is faulty. You are not factoring in the human lifespan, the
average of which is currently about 73 years, outside forces
notwithstanding. There are far more people UNDER 50 years old than OVER 50
years old. So, if your average age is 50, that brings your minimum age up
considerably, since you have far fewer over 50 than under.

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"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"IBOCcrock" wrote in message
oups.com...

The digital signals are only 1% of the analog - IBOC's coverage
isn't
even 50% that of analogs !


Digital has totally different properties than analog. I have seen
plenty
of
data showing the HD signal, on a 3rd generation receiver, is robust
beyond
the "usable" signal range of analog AM or FM, which is the 10 mv/m AM
curve
and the 64 dbu FM contour.

Gee, to bad you don't understand what that means.

I understand perfectly. I did one of the first studies of listenership
vs.
signal strength over a decade ago.

I'm pretty sure reading your posts you have no understanding volts per
meter means. I don't think you know what dBu is either.


As stated previously, I actually built the first FM station in Ecuador from
scratch, including transmitter, studio gear and antenna. I certainly know
what the terms of field strength mean. I think anyone who can build an FM
exciter from scratch probably can understand voltages pretty well.

I have also lugged field strength meters around various FCC jurisdictions
while working on directional antenna patterns ranging from WEEL to WQII to
KTNQ.

The minimum contour for FM stations to get significant listening is the 64
dbu, roughly 1.5 mv/m. For AM in metros, it is about 10 mv/m. Both AM and FM
are measurements of the strength of the EMF from a transmitter at some point
of distance from it dBu used to be called dBv but got confused with dBV,
and was changed. It's a decibel measurement of voltage.... as my equivalency
shows.

The whole point here is that the average listener... about 96% to 97% of
them, in fact, will not listen to a signal below a certain level and all but
three to four percent of stationary AM and FM listening in rated metros
comes from areas within the 10 vv/m and 64 dbu contours of AM and FM
stations.

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"Steve" wrote in message
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Whatever. It's an aging audience nonetheless, and getting older with
every tick of the clock. You must modernize or you will soon be
extinct.


You know what it would take to make terrestrial commercial radio extinct?
If XM and Sirius both had a non-pay basic tier that was commercially funded,
that would pretty much do it. Nearly universal coverage, and now they have
walkman-sized personal portables.

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Brenda Ann wrote:

"David Eduardo" wrote in message
...
The average age for AM listening is just under 50, so half the listeners
are UNDER 50 at present. Your statement is totally wrong, in fact.

Eduardo,

Your math is faulty.

That's not all that's faulty!

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"Steve" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Sep 3, 6:56 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

ups.com...



I don't blame him for being full of bile and invective. He's probably
sick of hearing you preach about how we have to cling to the
technologies of the past.

Far better than hearing you lie about the composition of radio audiences.

You might not like it, but it's a fact. The AM audience is getting
older by the minute. Just about all of the listeners younger than 50
have already left.

Then explain why, nationally, the average age for AM listening is UNDER 50,
per Arbitron.

Soon no one will be listening. You must modernize
or you will soon be out of business. Those are the facts. You must
live with them.

There are many years left, and many more if AM develops HD to its benefit.

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"Steve" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Sep 3, 6:55 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

Actually, using our LA AM as an example, we have an average age of 41.
That
means about half our listeners are 40 or under, in fact.

Or KTCK, The Ticket in Dallas... average age is 43. And that is a top 10
radio station there, and #2 in overall billing in Dallas, right behind
WBAP
(an AM) and right before KRLD (another AM). None of these stations is
dead.

The average age for AM listening is just under 50, so half the listeners
are
UNDER 50 at present. Your statement is totally wrong, in fact.

Whatever. It's an aging audience nonetheless, and getting older with
every tick of the clock. You must modernize or you will soon be
extinct.

"Whatever?" That's your answer when it can be conclusively shown that AM
listening is not virtually all over 50 as you said.... in fact, it is mostly
UNDER 50.

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"Jim Haynes" wrote in message
...
In article ,
David Eduardo wrote:
Actually, nearly all audience for AMs is concentrated in talk formats that
are all news, nwes/talk or sports. There is very little listening to
anything else.

Seems like there is very little else that is ever broadcast on AM, so you
don't have any choice of what to listen to.
--

Vicious circle... nothing else works for mass audiences, although there are
as many religious AMs as talkers, and as many ethnic AMs as well.

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"IBOCcrock" wrote in message
ps.com...
On Sep 3, 3:55?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"IBOCcrock" wrote in message

oups.com...



The digital signals are only 1% of the analog - IBOC's coverage isn't
even 50% that of analogs !

Digital has totally different properties than analog. I have seen plenty
of
data showing the HD signal, on a 3rd generation receiver, is robust
beyond
the "usable" signal range of analog AM or FM, which is the 10 mv/m AM
curve
and the 64 dbu FM contour.

"A Station Owner's View of HD Radio Industry"

"We were told back in the beginning that the HD coverage would be
equal to the analog signal. Unfortunately, the industry is now finding
out this is not the case, that the HD coverage is considerably less,
something like 60% of the analog coverage.

The HD signal is good in the same contours where about 96% to 97% of all AM
and FM listening occur... in fact, it is good beyond those contours.

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On Sep 3, 7:50 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

oups.com...





On Sep 3, 6:56 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

roups.com...

I don't blame him for being full of bile and invective. He's probably
sick of hearing you preach about how we have to cling to the
technologies of the past.

Far better than hearing you lie about the composition of radio audiences.

You might not like it, but it's a fact. The AM audience is getting
older by the minute. Just about all of the listeners younger than 50
have already left.

Then explain why, nationally, the average age for AM listening is UNDER 50,
per Arbitron.

Are you telling me that AM currently has the most profitable
demographic groups under its thumb? If you are telling me this, you're
mistaken. If you are not telling me this, your evading the real issue
here.

Soon no one will be listening. You must modernize
or you will soon be out of business. Those are the facts. You must
live with them.

There are many years left, and many more if AM develops HD to its benefit

Sure there are. And soon the 8 track tape is going to make a huge
comeback.

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On Sep 3, 7:53 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

ups.com...





On Sep 3, 6:55 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

Actually, using our LA AM as an example, we have an average age of 41.
That
means about half our listeners are 40 or under, in fact.

Or KTCK, The Ticket in Dallas... average age is 43. And that is a top 10
radio station there, and #2 in overall billing in Dallas, right behind
WBAP
(an AM) and right before KRLD (another AM). None of these stations is
dead.

The average age for AM listening is just under 50, so half the listeners
are
UNDER 50 at present. Your statement is totally wrong, in fact.

Whatever. It's an aging audience nonetheless, and getting older with
every tick of the clock. You must modernize or you will soon be
extinct.

"Whatever?" That's your answer when it can be conclusively shown that AM
listening is not virtually all over 50 as you said.... in fact, it is mostly
UNDER 50.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Are you telling me that AM currently has the most profitable
demographic groups under its thumb? If you are telling me this, you're
mistaken. If you aren't telling me this, then you're evading the real
issue here.

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On Sep 3, 7:53 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

ups.com...





On Sep 3, 6:55 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

Actually, using our LA AM as an example, we have an average age of 41.
That
means about half our listeners are 40 or under, in fact.

Or KTCK, The Ticket in Dallas... average age is 43. And that is a top 10
radio station there, and #2 in overall billing in Dallas, right behind
WBAP
(an AM) and right before KRLD (another AM). None of these stations is
dead.

The average age for AM listening is just under 50, so half the listeners
are
UNDER 50 at present. Your statement is totally wrong, in fact.

Whatever. It's an aging audience nonetheless, and getting older with
every tick of the clock. You must modernize or you will soon be
extinct.

"Whatever?" That's your answer when it can be conclusively shown that AM
listening is not virtually all over 50 as you said.... in fact, it is mostly
UNDER 50.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

While you're hawking all of that "colloidal silver", I suggestion
socking a few cases of it away for yourself. You're gonna need it
soon.

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"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
...

"David Eduardo" wrote in message
...
The average age for AM listening is just under 50, so half the listeners
are UNDER 50 at present. Your statement is totally wrong, in fact.

Eduardo,

Your math is faulty. You are not factoring in the human lifespan, the
average of which is currently about 73 years, outside forces
notwithstanding. There are far more people UNDER 50 years old than OVER 50
years old. So, if your average age is 50, that brings your minimum age up
considerably, since you have far fewer over 50 than under.

The terms Arbitron uses, which they call "average" are actually medians. The
median age of AM listeners is under 50. The problem is that most people do
not deal well with mean, median and average in normal discourse.

The distribution of AM listening is mostly between 35 and 75, with the
median point changing in each market... in some places, like Phoenix, it is
around 46. In rust belt markets, over 50.

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On Sep 3, 8:00 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Brenda Ann" wrote in message

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"David Eduardo" wrote in message
.. .
The average age for AM listening is just under 50, so half the listeners
are UNDER 50 at present. Your statement is totally wrong, in fact.

Eduardo,

Your math is faulty. You are not factoring in the human lifespan, the
average of which is currently about 73 years, outside forces
notwithstanding. There are far more people UNDER 50 years old than OVER 50
years old. So, if your average age is 50, that brings your minimum age up
considerably, since you have far fewer over 50 than under.

The terms Arbitron uses, which they call "average" are actually medians. The
median age of AM listeners is under 50. The problem is that most people do
not deal well with mean, median and average in normal discourse.

The distribution of AM listening is mostly between 35 and 75, with the
median point changing in each market... in some places, like Phoenix, it is
around 46. In rust belt markets, over 50.

Over 50...really? That's not good Davy, that's not good at all. You
people had better get with the program and quick.

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"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
...

"Steve" wrote in message
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Whatever. It's an aging audience nonetheless, and getting older with
every tick of the clock. You must modernize or you will soon be
extinct.


You know what it would take to make terrestrial commercial radio extinct?
If XM and Sirius both had a non-pay basic tier that was commercially
funded, that would pretty much do it. Nearly universal coverage, and now
they have walkman-sized personal portables.

Those portables only work well in areas with terrestrial repeaters. They
suck elsewhere. I bought one to travel with, and in 9 place out of 10, the
signal is not listenable. And it cost $300.

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"Steve" wrote in message
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On Sep 3, 7:50 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

Then explain why, nationally, the average age for AM listening is UNDER
50,
per Arbitron.

Are you telling me that AM currently has the most profitable
demographic groups under its thumb? If you are telling me this, you're
mistaken. If you are not telling me this, your evading the real issue
here.

The most profitable demos are 18-49 and 25-54. AM reaches 35-54 pretty well,
and 45-54 quite well today. However, each market has only a couple of good,
viable AMs at best, while all have a dozen or more viable FMs. So in most
rated markets, there are few if any AMs that cover the whole market that can
do a good job of audience delivery.

3 of the top 6 billing stations in the US are AM, in fact.

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On Sep 3, 8:02 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Brenda Ann" wrote in message

...



"Steve" wrote in message
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Whatever. It's an aging audience nonetheless, and getting older with
every tick of the clock. You must modernize or you will soon be
extinct.

You know what it would take to make terrestrial commercial radio extinct?
If XM and Sirius both had a non-pay basic tier that was commercially
funded, that would pretty much do it. Nearly universal coverage, and now
they have walkman-sized personal portables.

Those portables only work well in areas with terrestrial repeaters. They
suck elsewhere. I bought one to travel with, and in 9 place out of 10, the
signal is not listenable. And it cost $300.

You'd better focus on your problems, not on someone else's. Everytime
you make an irrelevant post, another segment of your listener base
expires.

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"Steve" wrote in message
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On Sep 3, 7:53 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

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On Sep 3, 6:55 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

Actually, using our LA AM as an example, we have an average age of 41.
That
means about half our listeners are 40 or under, in fact.

Or KTCK, The Ticket in Dallas... average age is 43. And that is a top
10
radio station there, and #2 in overall billing in Dallas, right behind
WBAP
(an AM) and right before KRLD (another AM). None of these stations is
dead.

The average age for AM listening is just under 50, so half the
listeners
are
UNDER 50 at present. Your statement is totally wrong, in fact.

Whatever. It's an aging audience nonetheless, and getting older with
every tick of the clock. You must modernize or you will soon be
extinct.

"Whatever?" That's your answer when it can be conclusively shown that AM
listening is not virtually all over 50 as you said.... in fact, it is
mostly
UNDER 50.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Are you telling me that AM currently has the most profitable
demographic groups under its thumb? If you are telling me this, you're
mistaken. If you aren't telling me this, then you're evading the real
issue here.

There are currently more AM listeners under 50 than over 50. That is per
Arbitron. The issue is that only 20% of all radio listening is to AM,
because in the rated markets there are so few good AM facilities that can
compete. The ones that can, get great ratings and huge billing.

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On Sep 3, 8:05 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

However, each market has only a couple of good,
viable AMs at best, while all have a dozen or more viable FMs. So in most
rated markets, there are few if any AMs that cover the whole market that can
do a good job of audience delivery.


That doesn't sound good Davy boy. Not good at all. You'd better get
serious and pronto.

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On Sep 3, 8:07 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

oups.com...





On Sep 3, 7:53 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

roups.com...

On Sep 3, 6:55 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

Actually, using our LA AM as an example, we have an average age of 41.
That
means about half our listeners are 40 or under, in fact.

Or KTCK, The Ticket in Dallas... average age is 43. And that is a top
10
radio station there, and #2 in overall billing in Dallas, right behind
WBAP
(an AM) and right before KRLD (another AM). None of these stations is
dead.

The average age for AM listening is just under 50, so half the
listeners
are
UNDER 50 at present. Your statement is totally wrong, in fact.

Whatever. It's an aging audience nonetheless, and getting older with
every tick of the clock. You must modernize or you will soon be
extinct.

"Whatever?" That's your answer when it can be conclusively shown that AM
listening is not virtually all over 50 as you said.... in fact, it is
mostly
UNDER 50.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Are you telling me that AM currently has the most profitable
demographic groups under its thumb? If you are telling me this, you're
mistaken. If you aren't telling me this, then you're evading the real
issue here.

There are currently more AM listeners under 50 than over 50. That is per
Arbitron. The issue is that only 20% of all radio listening is to AM,
because in the rated markets there are so few good AM facilities that can
compete. The ones that can, get great ratings and huge billing.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Only 20%. Good grief. You're in more trouble than I thought.

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"Steve" wrote in message
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On Sep 3, 8:05 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

However, each market has only a couple of good,
viable AMs at best, while all have a dozen or more viable FMs. So in most
rated markets, there are few if any AMs that cover the whole market that
can
do a good job of audience delivery.


That doesn't sound good Davy boy. Not good at all. You'd better get
serious and pronto.

The median age of all 75 of our stations is around 33 to 34, including the
AMs that average around 38 to 39. I don't think I have much to be concerned
about demographically.

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On Sep 3, 8:09 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

oups.com...

On Sep 3, 8:05 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

However, each market has only a couple of good,
viable AMs at best, while all have a dozen or more viable FMs. So in most
rated markets, there are few if any AMs that cover the whole market that
can
do a good job of audience delivery.

That doesn't sound good Davy boy. Not good at all. You'd better get
serious and pronto.

The median age of all 75 of our stations is around 33 to 34, including the
AMs that average around 38 to 39. I don't think I have much to be concerned
about demographically.

Fine. Deny that AM faces any challenges. The facts will teach you
otherwise.

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Steve wrote:

On Sep 3, 8:05 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

However, each market has only a couple of good,
viable AMs at best, while all have a dozen or more viable FMs. So in most
rated markets, there are few if any AMs that cover the whole market that can
do a good job of audience delivery.


That doesn't sound good Davy boy. Not good at all. You'd better get
serious and pronto.

This must be the "Desperation Weekend" for IBOC/HD, elsewise they wouldn't have
their #1 shill up and running at warp speed.

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"Steve" wrote in message
ps.com...
On Sep 3, 8:07 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
the real
issue here.

There are currently more AM listeners under 50 than over 50. That is per
Arbitron. The issue is that only 20% of all radio listening is to AM,
because in the rated markets there are so few good AM facilities that can
compete. The ones that can, get great ratings and huge billing.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Only 20%. Good grief. You're in more trouble than I thought.


The people in trouble are those with AMs with bad signals. Since we only
have about a dozen AMs (including 7 with 50 kw) they are not a major part of
the business. Our FMs do just fine, too.

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On Sep 3, 8:11 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

ps.com...

On Sep 3, 8:07 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
the real
issue here.

There are currently more AM listeners under 50 than over 50. That is per
Arbitron. The issue is that only 20% of all radio listening is to AM,
because in the rated markets there are so few good AM facilities that can
compete. The ones that can, get great ratings and huge billing.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Only 20%. Good grief. You're in more trouble than I thought.

The people in trouble are those with AMs with bad signals. Since we only
have about a dozen AMs (including 7 with 50 kw) they are not a major part of
the business. Our FMs do just fine, too.

Yes but when you're part of an entire industry in decline, it's going
to catch up with you sooner or later. Maybe you should post your
resume on hotjobs or something.

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"Steve" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Sep 3, 8:11 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

ps.com...

On Sep 3, 8:07 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
the real
issue here.

There are currently more AM listeners under 50 than over 50. That is
per
Arbitron. The issue is that only 20% of all radio listening is to AM,
because in the rated markets there are so few good AM facilities that
can
compete. The ones that can, get great ratings and huge billing.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Only 20%. Good grief. You're in more trouble than I thought.

The people in trouble are those with AMs with bad signals. Since we only
have about a dozen AMs (including 7 with 50 kw) they are not a major part
of
the business. Our FMs do just fine, too.

Yes but when you're part of an entire industry in decline, it's going
to catch up with you sooner or later. Maybe you should post your
resume on hotjobs or something.


The radio industry is in slow growth, not decline. 2006 ended higher than
any year in the past, and since 1950, radio has grown every year but tow
(2001 and a recession year in the 70's) and you can find a chart of this at
the RAB website.

Certain sectors of radio have sustained double digit growth for the last 20
or so years, and I am in one of those sectors; we were up 12% in revenue in
Q2 of 2007 when the rest of the industry was down about 2%.

I am not going to be spending much time on a resume, methinks.