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"David Eduardo" wrote:

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"David Eduardo" wrote:


I doubt it. Other than the cubical radio all my listening has
been and is stereo.

The radio is a perfect square? Or you have it in your cubicle?

Actually rectangular. There is a Tivoli One in my work cubical. Try
and get your reading comprehension up to speed.

I understand quite well. "Cubical" is "cube shaped" while "cubicle"
is a partially separated work area.

My mistake. Sorry about that but you knew what I meant.

Many research companies have done over the last few decades
studies on what kind of radio people use most of the time. It's
the kitchen radio from Bed, Bath and Beyond or WalMart or Target,
picked often more to match the color of the countertops than for
any audio quality concerns. And it's mono. It's the clock radio...
similarly mono, or with two speakers 3 inches apart, which is
still mono. It's the radio in the payment booth at the car park,
or the one in the office or the AC station on the overhead
speakers in the insurance office. It's mostly mono.

The FM radios I use "most of the time" are the car or home receiver
with speaker far enough apart for good stereo. You sure use whacked
surveys to shape your views or maybe you just misconstrue them.

The fact is that most people do not listen on receivers with separate
speakers, and most lower end cars have too much mechanical and road
noise for good stereo... that is why stations process everything, not
just the music.

Baloney. I've rented cheap cars that have low end radios in them and
they are all stereo.

Various studies have shown that around 60% of the average quarter
hour listening is pure mono, meaning almost all in home and at work
listening. In fact, quite a few stations have done the "mono with the
stereo light lit" thing as mono fares better in areas of high
multipath or for class A stations trying to compete with B's or C's.

You are the one with the wax plugged ears. I can tell when the
programming is stereo without looking at the stereo indicator and yes
part of the programming is not stereo even though the indicator
continues to detect the pilot signal. I don't believe the 60% mono
figure. You are not making any sense at all today.

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Telamon
Ventura, California

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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

The fact is that most people do not listen on receivers with separate
speakers, and most lower end cars have too much mechanical and road
noise for good stereo... that is why stations process everything, not
just the music.

Baloney. I've rented cheap cars that have low end radios in them and
they are all stereo.

You are so linear and literal I'll bet you have never laughed at a pun or a
joke.

I said that the ambient noise from the car itself as well as road noise are
such that most stereo information is lost or imperceptible in vehicles and,
thus, not appreciated. In addition, the processing on nearly all stations
reduces the dynamic range, so the stereo effect of different levels from
left and right is eliminated... and that applies to any listening location.

Various studies have shown that around 60% of the average quarter
hour listening is pure mono, meaning almost all in home and at work
listening. In fact, quite a few stations have done the "mono with the
stereo light lit" thing as mono fares better in areas of high
multipath or for class A stations trying to compete with B's or C's.

You are the one with the wax plugged ears. I can tell when the
programming is stereo without looking at the stereo indicator and yes
part of the programming is not stereo even though the indicator
continues to detect the pilot signal.

I said that there were stations that got the stereo light to shine without
actually being in stereo. The objective was deceiptful, as what they wanted
was to make people think that the station was stereo when it wasn't. Most
people never figured that out as they couldn't tell the difference.

I don't believe the 60% mono
figure. You are not making any sense at all today.

I really don't care what you believe as you have no data to the contrary
while the radio industry has countless valid surveys.

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"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

The fact is that most people do not listen on receivers with separate
speakers, and most lower end cars have too much mechanical and road
noise for good stereo... that is why stations process everything, not
just the music.

Baloney. I've rented cheap cars that have low end radios in them and
they are all stereo.

You are so linear and literal I'll bet you have never laughed at a pun or a
joke.

I said that the ambient noise from the car itself as well as road noise are
such that most stereo information is lost or imperceptible in vehicles and,
thus, not appreciated. In addition, the processing on nearly all stations
reduces the dynamic range, so the stereo effect of different levels from
left and right is eliminated... and that applies to any listening location.

It's easy to perceive depending on the material. Say a different
instrument comes from left and right at the same volume. Easy to tell
even with road noise.

Various studies have shown that around 60% of the average quarter
hour listening is pure mono, meaning almost all in home and at work
listening. In fact, quite a few stations have done the "mono with the
stereo light lit" thing as mono fares better in areas of high
multipath or for class A stations trying to compete with B's or C's.

You are the one with the wax plugged ears. I can tell when the
programming is stereo without looking at the stereo indicator and yes
part of the programming is not stereo even though the indicator
continues to detect the pilot signal.

I said that there were stations that got the stereo light to shine without
actually being in stereo. The objective was deceiptful, as what they wanted
was to make people think that the station was stereo when it wasn't. Most
people never figured that out as they couldn't tell the difference.

How am I supposed to know about most people. You saying most people are
stupid then?

I don't believe the 60% mono figure. You are not making any sense
at all today.

I really don't care what you believe as you have no data to the
contrary while the radio industry has countless valid surveys.

People don't lie in the surveys? Mistakes are not made? Silly people
like you are not around to misinterpret the data?

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Telamon
Ventura, California

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"David Eduardo" wrote:

I said that the ambient noise from the car itself as well as road noise
are
such that most stereo information is lost or imperceptible in vehicles
and,
thus, not appreciated. In addition, the processing on nearly all stations
reduces the dynamic range, so the stereo effect of different levels from
left and right is eliminated... and that applies to any listening
location.

It's easy to perceive depending on the material. Say a different
instrument comes from left and right at the same volume. Easy to tell
even with road noise.

Part of the perception of dimension comes from dynamic range. Radio so
limits range that the information is lost and the ability to interpret
spatial relationsips is diminished.


I said that there were stations that got the stereo light to shine
without
actually being in stereo. The objective was deceiptful, as what they
wanted
was to make people think that the station was stereo when it wasn't. Most
people never figured that out as they couldn't tell the difference.

How am I supposed to know about most people. You saying most people are
stupid then?

No, most people don't realize there is no stereo separation because the lit
stereo light convinces them it is stereo when it is not.

I don't believe the 60% mono figure. You are not making any sense
at all today.

I really don't care what you believe as you have no data to the
contrary while the radio industry has countless valid surveys.

People don't lie in the surveys? Mistakes are not made? Silly people
like you are not around to misinterpret the data?


My staff does about a hundred thousand interviews a year, all of which I can
monitor. We see no indication of lies, since lying about a station or about
music they like has no gain. QC will avoid mistakes, and a percentage of
reconfirm callbacks can achieve that. As to the interpretation, we've done
better in the ratings than any other major player over the last years, so we
must be doing our research, interpretation and implementation quite well.

"David Eduardo" wrote in message
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No, most people don't realize there is no stereo separation because the
lit
stereo light convinces them it is stereo when it is not.

[snip]

Let's not forget about modern FM car radios. My car's radio blends from
stereo to mono quite seamlessly as signals become less than ideal. If I pay
attention, I'll notice that the reception is in weak stereo or full mono
much of the time. That's preferable because there's practially no distorted
audio, abrupt switches from stereo to mono and picket fencing that come with
full time stereo car radios. All the while, the stereo light never blinks
off.

Frank Dresser

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"Frank Dresser" wrote:

"David Eduardo" wrote in message
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[snip]


No, most people don't realize there is no stereo separation because the
lit
stereo light convinces them it is stereo when it is not.

[snip]

Let's not forget about modern FM car radios. My car's radio blends from
stereo to mono quite seamlessly as signals become less than ideal. If I pay
attention, I'll notice that the reception is in weak stereo or full mono
much of the time. That's preferable because there's practially no distorted
audio, abrupt switches from stereo to mono and picket fencing that come with
full time stereo car radios. All the while, the stereo light never blinks
off.

The stereo indicator only lights when a 19KHz pilot carrier is present.
The program material could be monophonic or stereo.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

I said that the ambient noise from the car itself as well as road noise
are
such that most stereo information is lost or imperceptible in vehicles
and,
thus, not appreciated. In addition, the processing on nearly all stations
reduces the dynamic range, so the stereo effect of different levels from
left and right is eliminated... and that applies to any listening
location.

It's easy to perceive depending on the material. Say a different
instrument comes from left and right at the same volume. Easy to tell
even with road noise.

Part of the perception of dimension comes from dynamic range. Radio so
limits range that the information is lost and the ability to interpret
spatial relationsips is diminished.

That's right Eduardo, dynamic range only plays a part in stereo.

I said that there were stations that got the stereo light to shine
without actually being in stereo. The objective was deceiptful, as
what they wanted was to make people think that the station was
stereo when it wasn't. Most people never figured that out as they
couldn't tell the difference.

How am I supposed to know about most people. You saying most people
are stupid then?

No, most people don't realize there is no stereo separation because
the lit stereo light convinces them it is stereo when it is not.

I can't speak for most people and neither can you. I am quite capable of
telling the difference.

I don't believe the 60% mono figure. You are not making any
sense at all today.

I really don't care what you believe as you have no data to the
contrary while the radio industry has countless valid surveys.

People don't lie in the surveys? Mistakes are not made? Silly
people like you are not around to misinterpret the data?


My staff does about a hundred thousand interviews a year, all of
which I can monitor. We see no indication of lies, since lying about
a station or about music they like has no gain. QC will avoid
mistakes, and a percentage of reconfirm callbacks can achieve that.
As to the interpretation, we've done better in the ratings than any
other major player over the last years, so we must be doing our
research, interpretation and implementation quite well.

You do not understand the scientific process and bias the results of
your interviews in a number of ways so the results fit your preconceived
notions. Do continue to fool yourself.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

"Telamon" wrote in message
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I said that there were stations that got the stereo light to shine
without
actually being in stereo. The objective was deceiptful, as what they
wanted
was to make people think that the station was stereo when it wasn't. Most
people never figured that out as they couldn't tell the difference.

How am I supposed to know about most people. You saying most people are
stupid then?

I read the same study many years ago, and have no trouble believing it,
since most people I know pay little actual attention to content, but instead
take psychological cues. Psychoacoustics is the main thing that allows for
mp3's to be listenable. It's a fact that the digitalization is so far from
accurate that it's not logically feasible, but the human brain has an
amazing capability to 'fill in the blanks'.

This is also why those 'stereo emulators' work at all... by dividing up the
bandpass between the channels.

AFN AM (except for Seoul and, finally, Osan) broadcasts one channel of a
stereo feed. It sounds like crap to the three people I know here that can
actually tell the difference (two of us are in the same house). Talking to
dozens of GI's, not a one of them even noticed that one channel was missing.
The engineers, until the most recent one, quipped "it's AM, it's only
monaural". The engineers were IDIOTS that had never heard of signal
summing!! That's how little people pay attention to program sources..