RHF wrote:
On Nov 28, 5:22 pm, David Hartung wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Nov 28, 8:41 am, David Hartung wrote:
Kurt_Lochner wrote:
What's become of the Republican Party? Kow-towing to religious,
an evangelical figures, seems to violate the entire concept
of separation of church and state..
You keep your religion out my government, and keeping the
government out of your religion will follow along nicely..
You might be surprised to learn that I am in full agreement,
although for different reasons.

Without fail, every time the Church has gotten in bed with the
government, it has proven to be a spiritual disaster for the
Church. The church.

No where in the New Testament do we see any sign that the church
was politically active.

These tow reasons alone are enough for me to want the church to
have nothing to do with the government.

You will notice as our exchange went on, I put Dobson in a
different category from Robertson and Falwell.

- This is because Falwell and Robertson's organizations
- are set up as evangelistic, church groups. Their stated
- purpose is to proclaim the Gospel. Thus it is improper
- for them to be politically active.

So by "Being" Religious Persons-of-Faith : The Automatically
Lose Some of Their Basic Rights as American Citizens !
-re- T h i n k i n g . . . . .

I haven't said that. Constitutionally, these groups have the same
rights as any other group.

My judgment that these ministries ought not to be involved in
partisan politics comes from my understanding of the Office of Holy
Ministry. Ordained ministers have been set aside by God for the
purpose of proclaiming His kingdom.

- Partisan politics is outside their scope.

Are they any less Human ?
- - - and your Equal ?

Do they have any less Rights as Citizens ?
- - - and your Equal ?

- This is my belief, others differ.

Clearly We Differ ~ RHF
.

If they are to be active politically, they cannot keep tax free status.

Soumay Nonay wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Nov 28, 5:22 pm, David Hartung wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Nov 28, 8:41 am, David Hartung wrote:
Kurt_Lochner wrote:
What's become of the Republican Party? Kow-towing to religious,
an evangelical figures, seems to violate the entire concept
of separation of church and state..
You keep your religion out my government, and keeping the
government out of your religion will follow along nicely..
You might be surprised to learn that I am in full agreement,
although for different reasons.
Without fail, every time the Church has gotten in bed with the
government, it has proven to be a spiritual disaster for the
Church. The church.
No where in the New Testament do we see any sign that the church
was politically active.
These tow reasons alone are enough for me to want the church to
have nothing to do with the government.
You will notice as our exchange went on, I put Dobson in a
different category from Robertson and Falwell.
- This is because Falwell and Robertson's organizations
- are set up as evangelistic, church groups. Their stated
- purpose is to proclaim the Gospel. Thus it is improper
- for them to be politically active.
So by "Being" Religious Persons-of-Faith : The Automatically
Lose Some of Their Basic Rights as American Citizens !
-re- T h i n k i n g . . . . .
I haven't said that. Constitutionally, these groups have the same
rights as any other group.

My judgment that these ministries ought not to be involved in
partisan politics comes from my understanding of the Office of Holy
Ministry. Ordained ministers have been set aside by God for the
purpose of proclaiming His kingdom.
- Partisan politics is outside their scope.

Are they any less Human ?
- - - and your Equal ?

Do they have any less Rights as Citizens ?
- - - and your Equal ?

- This is my belief, others differ.

Clearly We Differ ~ RHF
.

If they are to be active politically, they cannot keep tax free status.

Incorrect.

That is a rule of relatively recent vintage, and one which should be
done away with.

Despite the fact that I believe it inappropriate for a minster of the
Gospel to involve himself in partisan politics, he still has that right.

"David Hartung" wrote in message
...
Soumay Nonay wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Nov 28, 5:22 pm, David Hartung wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Nov 28, 8:41 am, David Hartung wrote:
Kurt_Lochner wrote:
What's become of the Republican Party? Kow-towing to religious,
an evangelical figures, seems to violate the entire concept
of separation of church and state..
You keep your religion out my government, and keeping the
government out of your religion will follow along nicely..
You might be surprised to learn that I am in full agreement,
although for different reasons.
Without fail, every time the Church has gotten in bed with the
government, it has proven to be a spiritual disaster for the
Church. The church.
No where in the New Testament do we see any sign that the church
was politically active.
These tow reasons alone are enough for me to want the church to
have nothing to do with the government.
You will notice as our exchange went on, I put Dobson in a
different category from Robertson and Falwell.
- This is because Falwell and Robertson's organizations
- are set up as evangelistic, church groups. Their stated
- purpose is to proclaim the Gospel. Thus it is improper
- for them to be politically active.
So by "Being" Religious Persons-of-Faith : The Automatically
Lose Some of Their Basic Rights as American Citizens !
-re- T h i n k i n g . . . . .
I haven't said that. Constitutionally, these groups have the same
rights as any other group.

My judgment that these ministries ought not to be involved in
partisan politics comes from my understanding of the Office of Holy
Ministry. Ordained ministers have been set aside by God for the
purpose of proclaiming His kingdom.
- Partisan politics is outside their scope.

Are they any less Human ?
- - - and your Equal ?

Do they have any less Rights as Citizens ?
- - - and your Equal ?

- This is my belief, others differ.

Clearly We Differ ~ RHF
.

If they are to be active politically, they cannot keep tax free status.

Incorrect.

That is a rule of relatively recent vintage, and one which should be done
away with.

Despite the fact that I believe it inappropriate for a minster of the
Gospel to involve himself in partisan politics, he still has that right.

As a matter of fact the change was made by one power-hungry Texas Senator by
the name of Lyndon Johnson in 1954 so he could get re-elected.

We've had 3 really bad presidents in my lifetime, LBJ, Bill Clinton and now
Barack Obama.

Sir Charles the Curmudgeon

In article , says...

"David Hartung" wrote in message
...
Soumay Nonay wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Nov 28, 5:22 pm, David Hartung wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Nov 28, 8:41 am, David Hartung wrote:
Kurt_Lochner wrote:
What's become of the Republican Party? Kow-towing to religious,
an evangelical figures, seems to violate the entire concept
of separation of church and state..
You keep your religion out my government, and keeping the
government out of your religion will follow along nicely..
You might be surprised to learn that I am in full agreement,
although for different reasons.
Without fail, every time the Church has gotten in bed with the
government, it has proven to be a spiritual disaster for the
Church. The church.
No where in the New Testament do we see any sign that the church
was politically active.
These tow reasons alone are enough for me to want the church to
have nothing to do with the government.
You will notice as our exchange went on, I put Dobson in a
different category from Robertson and Falwell.
- This is because Falwell and Robertson's organizations
- are set up as evangelistic, church groups. Their stated
- purpose is to proclaim the Gospel. Thus it is improper
- for them to be politically active.
So by "Being" Religious Persons-of-Faith : The Automatically
Lose Some of Their Basic Rights as American Citizens !
-re- T h i n k i n g . . . . .
I haven't said that. Constitutionally, these groups have the same
rights as any other group.

My judgment that these ministries ought not to be involved in
partisan politics comes from my understanding of the Office of Holy
Ministry. Ordained ministers have been set aside by God for the
purpose of proclaiming His kingdom.
- Partisan politics is outside their scope.

Are they any less Human ?
- - - and your Equal ?

Do they have any less Rights as Citizens ?
- - - and your Equal ?

- This is my belief, others differ.

Clearly We Differ ~ RHF
.

If they are to be active politically, they cannot keep tax free status.

Incorrect.

That is a rule of relatively recent vintage, and one which should be done
away with.

Despite the fact that I believe it inappropriate for a minster of the
Gospel to involve himself in partisan politics, he still has that right.

As a matter of fact the change was made by one power-hungry Texas Senator by
the name of Lyndon Johnson in 1954 so he could get re-elected.

We've had 3 really bad presidents in my lifetime, LBJ, Bill Clinton and now
Barack Obama.

Sir Charles the Curmudgeon






LOL, how can you call Obama a bad president, when he hasn't taken office
yet????

My bad presidents:

1. G.W. Bush nobody comes close, a total embarrassment.
2. Jimmy Carter, worthless.
3. Nixon, a crooked *******.
4. LBJ..Vietnam.

I did just fine with Clinton, and I couldn't care less who he screwed,
was blown by, etc.

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"BDK" wrote in message
...
In article , says...

"David Hartung" wrote in message
...
Soumay Nonay wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Nov 28, 5:22 pm, David Hartung wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Nov 28, 8:41 am, David Hartung wrote:
Kurt_Lochner wrote:
What's become of the Republican Party? Kow-towing to religious,
an evangelical figures, seems to violate the entire concept
of separation of church and state..
You keep your religion out my government, and keeping the
government out of your religion will follow along nicely..
You might be surprised to learn that I am in full agreement,
although for different reasons.
Without fail, every time the Church has gotten in bed with the
government, it has proven to be a spiritual disaster for the
Church. The church.
No where in the New Testament do we see any sign that the church
was politically active.
These tow reasons alone are enough for me to want the church to
have nothing to do with the government.
You will notice as our exchange went on, I put Dobson in a
different category from Robertson and Falwell.
- This is because Falwell and Robertson's organizations
- are set up as evangelistic, church groups. Their stated
- purpose is to proclaim the Gospel. Thus it is improper
- for them to be politically active.
So by "Being" Religious Persons-of-Faith : The Automatically
Lose Some of Their Basic Rights as American Citizens !
-re- T h i n k i n g . . . . .
I haven't said that. Constitutionally, these groups have the same
rights as any other group.

My judgment that these ministries ought not to be involved in
partisan politics comes from my understanding of the Office of Holy
Ministry. Ordained ministers have been set aside by God for the
purpose of proclaiming His kingdom.
- Partisan politics is outside their scope.

Are they any less Human ?
- - - and your Equal ?

Do they have any less Rights as Citizens ?
- - - and your Equal ?

- This is my belief, others differ.

Clearly We Differ ~ RHF
.

If they are to be active politically, they cannot keep tax free
status.

Incorrect.

That is a rule of relatively recent vintage, and one which should be
done
away with.

Despite the fact that I believe it inappropriate for a minster of the
Gospel to involve himself in partisan politics, he still has that
right.

As a matter of fact the change was made by one power-hungry Texas Senator
by
the name of Lyndon Johnson in 1954 so he could get re-elected.

We've had 3 really bad presidents in my lifetime, LBJ, Bill Clinton and
now
Barack Obama.

Sir Charles the Curmudgeon






LOL, how can you call Obama a bad president, when he hasn't taken office
yet????

My bad presidents:

1. G.W. Bush nobody comes close, a total embarrassment.
2. Jimmy Carter, worthless.
3. Nixon, a crooked *******.
4. LBJ..Vietnam.

I did just fine with Clinton, and I couldn't care less who he screwed,
was blown by, etc.

--
BDK

BDK Klan leader?
kOOk Magnet!
NJJ CLUB #1
Shillmaster

Then you, sir, are suffering from the ID10T bug. I lived in Arkansas in the
80's and watching Clinton as the best presdient Chinese money could buy was
like deja-vu all over again. He screwed Arkansas, but swept things under
the rug so it all fell on the next Governor. He screwed America, too, but
he swept it all under the rug for Bush to get hit with.

And Obama can't help but be a bad president. He's a Chicago Democrat. Part
of the Machine, one of the most corrupt and dishonest political
organizations in the county. Not only does he have William Ayres as a
friend but he also has Jesse Jackson Jr and Todd Stroger, both of which are
typical tax-and-spend Dimocrats as friends. The Dims here in Chicago are
now ruling by primogeneture. Richard J was replaced by his son Richard M.
John Stroger was replaced by his son. Emil Jones is trying to replace
himself with his son. Edward Madigan is trying to replace himself with his
daughter. Next thing Obama will start ruling by Divine Right. . . .

Sir Charles the Curmudgeon

CharlesTheCurmudgeon wrote:

Then you, sir, are suffering from the ID10T bug. I lived in Arkansas in the
80's and watching Clinton as the best presdient Chinese money could buy was
like deja-vu all over again. He screwed Arkansas, but swept things under
the rug so it all fell on the next Governor. He screwed America, too, but
he swept it all under the rug for Bush to get hit with.

And Obama can't help but be a bad president. He's a Chicago Democrat. Part
of the Machine, one of the most corrupt and dishonest political
organizations in the county. Not only does he have William Ayres as a
friend but he also has Jesse Jackson Jr and Todd Stroger, both of which are
typical tax-and-spend Dimocrats as friends. The Dims here in Chicago are
now ruling by primogeneture. Richard J was replaced by his son Richard M.
John Stroger was replaced by his son. Emil Jones is trying to replace
himself with his son. Edward Madigan is trying to replace himself with his
daughter. Next thing Obama will start ruling by Divine Right. . . .

I have been waiting for this to come up.

Obama is a politician from Chicago. It is rational to believe that he
has some connection with the Daily machine.

Is there any evidence to support this belief?

In article ,
says...
CharlesTheCurmudgeon wrote:

Then you, sir, are suffering from the ID10T bug. I lived in Arkansas in the
80's and watching Clinton as the best presdient Chinese money could buy was
like deja-vu all over again. He screwed Arkansas, but swept things under
the rug so it all fell on the next Governor. He screwed America, too, but
he swept it all under the rug for Bush to get hit with.

And Obama can't help but be a bad president. He's a Chicago Democrat. Part
of the Machine, one of the most corrupt and dishonest political
organizations in the county. Not only does he have William Ayres as a
friend but he also has Jesse Jackson Jr and Todd Stroger, both of which are
typical tax-and-spend Dimocrats as friends. The Dims here in Chicago are
now ruling by primogeneture. Richard J was replaced by his son Richard M.
John Stroger was replaced by his son. Emil Jones is trying to replace
himself with his son. Edward Madigan is trying to replace himself with his
daughter. Next thing Obama will start ruling by Divine Right. . . .

I have been waiting for this to come up.

Obama is a politician from Chicago. It is rational to believe that he
has some connection with the Daily machine.

Is there any evidence to support this belief?


My car has a connection with gasoline. Who would have thunk it?

--
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Shillmaster

On Nov 29, 12:52*pm, David Hartung wrote:
CharlesTheCurmudgeon wrote:
Then you, sir, are suffering from the ID10T bug. *I lived in Arkansas in the
80's and watching Clinton as the best presdient Chinese money could buy was
like deja-vu all over again. *He screwed Arkansas, but swept things under
the rug so it all fell on the next Governor. *He screwed America, too, but
he swept it all under the rug for Bush to get hit with.

And Obama can't help but be a bad president. *He's a Chicago Democrat.. *Part
of the Machine, one of the most corrupt and dishonest political
organizations in the county. *Not only does he have William Ayres as a
friend but he also has Jesse Jackson Jr and Todd Stroger, both of which are
typical tax-and-spend Dimocrats as friends. *The Dims here in Chicago are
now ruling by primogeneture. *Richard J was replaced by his son Richard M.
John Stroger was replaced by his son. *Emil Jones is trying to replace
himself with his son. *Edward Madigan is trying to replace himself with his
daughter. * *Next thing Obama will start ruling by Divine Right. . .. .

I have been waiting for this to come up.

- Obama is a politician from Chicago. It is rational to believe
- that he has some connection with the Daily machine.

- Is there any evidence to support this belief?

It's A Belief : Take It On Faith ;-} ~ RHF

In article , says...

"BDK" wrote in message
...
In article , says...

"David Hartung" wrote in message
...
Soumay Nonay wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Nov 28, 5:22 pm, David Hartung wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Nov 28, 8:41 am, David Hartung wrote:
Kurt_Lochner wrote:
What's become of the Republican Party? Kow-towing to religious,
an evangelical figures, seems to violate the entire concept
of separation of church and state..
You keep your religion out my government, and keeping the
government out of your religion will follow along nicely..
You might be surprised to learn that I am in full agreement,
although for different reasons.
Without fail, every time the Church has gotten in bed with the
government, it has proven to be a spiritual disaster for the
Church. The church.
No where in the New Testament do we see any sign that the church
was politically active.
These tow reasons alone are enough for me to want the church to
have nothing to do with the government.
You will notice as our exchange went on, I put Dobson in a
different category from Robertson and Falwell.
- This is because Falwell and Robertson's organizations
- are set up as evangelistic, church groups. Their stated
- purpose is to proclaim the Gospel. Thus it is improper
- for them to be politically active.
So by "Being" Religious Persons-of-Faith : The Automatically
Lose Some of Their Basic Rights as American Citizens !
-re- T h i n k i n g . . . . .
I haven't said that. Constitutionally, these groups have the same
rights as any other group.

My judgment that these ministries ought not to be involved in
partisan politics comes from my understanding of the Office of Holy
Ministry. Ordained ministers have been set aside by God for the
purpose of proclaiming His kingdom.
- Partisan politics is outside their scope.

Are they any less Human ?
- - - and your Equal ?

Do they have any less Rights as Citizens ?
- - - and your Equal ?

- This is my belief, others differ.

Clearly We Differ ~ RHF
.

If they are to be active politically, they cannot keep tax free
status.

Incorrect.

That is a rule of relatively recent vintage, and one which should be
done
away with.

Despite the fact that I believe it inappropriate for a minster of the
Gospel to involve himself in partisan politics, he still has that
right.

As a matter of fact the change was made by one power-hungry Texas Senator
by
the name of Lyndon Johnson in 1954 so he could get re-elected.

We've had 3 really bad presidents in my lifetime, LBJ, Bill Clinton and
now
Barack Obama.

Sir Charles the Curmudgeon






LOL, how can you call Obama a bad president, when he hasn't taken office
yet????

My bad presidents:

1. G.W. Bush nobody comes close, a total embarrassment.
2. Jimmy Carter, worthless.
3. Nixon, a crooked *******.
4. LBJ..Vietnam.

I did just fine with Clinton, and I couldn't care less who he screwed,
was blown by, etc.

--
BDK

BDK Klan leader?
kOOk Magnet!
NJJ CLUB #1
Shillmaster

Then you, sir, are suffering from the ID10T bug. I lived in Arkansas in the
80's and watching Clinton as the best presdient Chinese money could buy was
like deja-vu all over again. He screwed Arkansas, but swept things under
the rug so it all fell on the next Governor. He screwed America, too, but
he swept it all under the rug for Bush to get hit with.

And Obama can't help but be a bad president. He's a Chicago Democrat. Part
of the Machine, one of the most corrupt and dishonest political
organizations in the county. Not only does he have William Ayres as a
friend but he also has Jesse Jackson Jr and Todd Stroger, both of which are
typical tax-and-spend Dimocrats as friends. The Dims here in Chicago are
now ruling by primogeneture. Richard J was replaced by his son Richard M.
John Stroger was replaced by his son. Emil Jones is trying to replace
himself with his son. Edward Madigan is trying to replace himself with his
daughter. Next thing Obama will start ruling by Divine Right. . . .

Sir Charles the Curmudgeon




BWHAHAHA! So you claim to be a psychic?

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BDK wrote:

My bad presidents:

1. G.W. Bush nobody comes close, a total embarrassment.
2. Jimmy Carter, worthless.
3. Nixon, a crooked *******.
4. LBJ..Vietnam.

You forgot that #4 also qualifies for a "crooked *******"...big time!