"Dave" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:

"BoobleStubble" wrote in message
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Eduardo's hate for AM radio is obvious - many of the larger 50kw AM
stations are ranked #1, or are in the top-5, and aren't going
anywhere.

There are nearly no big AMs (power is not the issue... it's coverage)
that are in the top 5 in the sales demogaphics of 18 to 54. And, like 1A
clear channel KSL in Salt Lake city, they are moving as fast as they can
to FM... other 50 kw AMs that have done this are KIRO in Seattle and WWL
in New Orleans and WIBC in Indianapolis... some simulcast, like KSL and
WWL, others just abandon the format on AM as they go where the salable
listeners are.
While not a 1A, KSL's Phoenix sister KTAR has also moved their News/Talk
to FM.

Bonneville also moved 50 kw KIRO to FM and 50kw WTOP, too.

On Dec 20, 7:51�pm, Dave wrote:
David Eduardo wrote:

"BoobleStubble" wrote in message
....
Eduardo's hate for AM radio is obvious - many of the larger 50kw AM
stations are ranked #1, or are in the top-5, and aren't going
anywhere.

There are nearly no big AMs (power is not the issue... it's coverage)
that are in the top 5 in the sales demogaphics of 18 to 54. And, like 1A
clear channel KSL in Salt Lake city, they are moving as fast as they can
to FM... other 50 kw AMs that have done this are KIRO in Seattle and WWL
in New Orleans and WIBC in Indianapolis... some simulcast, like KSL and
WWL, others just abandon the format on AM as they go where the salable
listeners are.

While not a 1A, KSL's Phoenix sister KTAR has also moved their News/Talk
to FM.

Eduardo is poo-pooing AM radio, because he knows that IBOC has been a
disaster, and that AM contains the successful news/talk/sports
formats. Large AM stations, such as WLW, serve many states - something
FMs can't claim. Yea, the AM dial is more than full of AM stations.
The FM dial is full, and only so many AMs can be moved/simulcast on FM.

On Dec 20, 2:41*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"BoobleStubble" wrote in message

...
Eduardo's hate for AM radio is obvious - many of the larger 50kw AM
stations are ranked #1, or are in the top-5, and aren't going
anywhere.

There are nearly no big AMs (power is not the issue... it's coverage) that
are in the top 5 in the sales demogaphics of 18 to 54. And, like 1A clear
channel KSL in Salt Lake city, they are moving as fast as they can to FM....
other 50 kw AMs that have done this are KIRO in Seattle and WWL in New
Orleans and WIBC in Indianapolis... some simulcast, like KSL and WWL, others
just abandon the format on AM as they go where the salable listeners are.

*The HD conversion has stalled - that was the original pointof HD, to get
all stations to convert.

No, that was not. The objective was to get the viable FMs and AMs in the top
100 markets on, and with few, few exceptions, they are.

I don't see WiMax as a huge
issue either - Verizon and AT&T already provide fast service to the
Internet.

WiMax allows for high speed mobile internet. It will allow for the possible
success of internet only stations, local and national.

My boys just got the new Blackberry Storms and the Internet
is real fast.

No, it's not. And it requires being, pretty much, in a static location for
good reception.

The FCC is dead-set on providing Internet services
nation-wide.

That is opposite of the truth, as the Clearwire - Sprint deal proved
(although the two could not come to final terms)

KCBS is now simulcasting on FM in the SF Bay Area and
KGO is watching as well as KSFO and others with so
many under-performing FM Radio Stations in SF Bay Area
and elsewhere : Will 'others' follow suit and take the first
step {Simulcast} to eventually becoming FM Only News &
Talk-Radio Stations ? ? ?

On Dec 21, 12:51�am, RHF wrote:
On Dec 20, 2:41�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:





"BoobleStubble" wrote in message

....
Eduardo's hate for AM radio is obvious - many of the larger 50kw AM
stations are ranked #1, or are in the top-5, and aren't going
anywhere.

There are nearly no big AMs (power is not the issue... it's coverage) that
are in the top 5 in the sales demogaphics of 18 to 54. And, like 1A clear
channel KSL in Salt Lake city, they are moving as fast as they can to FM...
other 50 kw AMs that have done this are KIRO in Seattle and WWL in New
Orleans and WIBC in Indianapolis... some simulcast, like KSL and WWL, others
just abandon the format on AM as they go where the salable listeners are.

�The HD conversion has stalled - that was the original pointof HD, to get
all stations to convert.

No, that was not. The objective was to get the viable FMs and AMs in the top
100 markets on, and with few, few exceptions, they are.

I don't see WiMax as a huge
issue either - Verizon and AT&T already provide fast service to the
Internet.

WiMax allows for high speed mobile internet. It will allow for the possible
success of internet only stations, local and national.

My boys just got the new Blackberry Storms and the Internet
is real fast.

No, it's not. And it requires being, pretty much, in a static location for
good reception.

The FCC is dead-set on providing Internet services
nation-wide.

That is opposite of the truth, as the Clearwire - Sprint deal proved
(although the two could not come to final terms)

KCBS is now simulcasting on FM in the SF Bay Area and
KGO is watching as well as KSFO and others with so
many under-performing FM Radio Stations in SF Bay Area
and elsewhere : Will 'others' follow suit and take the first
step {Simulcast} to eventually becoming FM Only News &
Talk-Radio Stations ? ? ?
�.
All News KCBS-AM on 740 kHz goes to . . .
FM 106.9 MHz in the SF Bay Areahttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/487324639bfd2f89
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Simulcasting doesn't mean that they are turning off the AMs.

On Dec 20, 9:51*am, BoobleStubble wrote:
On Dec 20, 11:35 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:



wrote in message

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Eduardo - Serious question.

Not to put you on the spot but in your estimation how successful of a
year was it for iBiquitys HD radio?

The unavailability radios, the low number of stations converting, the
dwindling dollars available, zero consumer interest and ethical
problems at the FCC - Not much to report. 2009 looks bleak also.
Where do you think it's headed?

IBiquity could spin the facts in previous years but it's going to be
tough this year. Even if low power radios become available in 2009
(and they don't require huge external antennas to work) the window is
closing fast.

What would be the incentive for stations to convert or continue to pay
fees to iBiquity in 2009?

Most of the early adopter stations pay no fees or a very, very tiny fee.. So
that's not an issue. Getting more stations is not an issue, either... 90% of
the US population is already covered. This is pretty much a major market
issue.

The only issue is getting receivers out. That is a marketing issue, and one
that depends on cheap, portable chipsets. In a recession, I don't see that
happening fast. But I don't see WiMax happening fast, either, so there is a
wider window.

As to AM, the band is dying. The major format, news / talk is moving to FM
and what will be left will be drek. HD on AM at that point becomes
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Eduardo's hate for AM radio is obvious - many of the larger 50kw AM
stations are ranked #1, or are in the top-5, and aren't going
anywhere. *

- The HD conversion has stalled

- that was the original point
of HD, to get all stations to convert. I don't see WiMax as a huge
issue either - Verizon and AT&T already provide fast service to the
Internet. My boys just got the new Blackberry Storms and the Internet
is real fast. The FCC is dead-set on providing Internet services
nation-wide. Obama's administation is going after the FCC, and it is
only a matter of time when the HD Radio scandal gets investigated.

"BS" - Hello the Whole US Economy is S-T-A-L-L-E-D

The present Number of US American Radio Stations that are
Authorized to Transmit IBOC "HD" Digital Radio Signals :

* AM = 271 out of a Total of 4778 ~ 5.7% [1 in 17]
-fwiw- Ten Years Ago the Total AM Radio Stations
was 4727 {Decade Growth of 1.1%}

wrote in news:18fe4501-a9ce-42ea-962a-
:

Not to put you on the spot but in your estimation how successful of a
year was it for iBiquitys HD radio?

More and more stations are turning it off. WTIC just joined the crowd.

On Dec 20, 3:27 pm, elaich wrote:
wrote in news:18fe4501-a9ce-42ea-962a-
:

Not to put you on the spot but in your estimation how successful of a
year was it for iBiquitys HD radio?

More and more stations are turning it off. WTIC just joined the crowd.

Is WTIC an AM station?

On Dec 20, 3:47*pm, wrote:
On Dec 20, 3:27 pm, elaich wrote:

wrote in news:18fe4501-a9ce-42ea-962a-
:

Not to put you on the spot but in your estimation how successful of a
year was it for iBiquitys HD radio?

More and more stations are turning it off. WTIC just joined the crowd.

Is WTIC an AM station?

Yes... This is probably justt the tip of the iceburg:

"CC Radio’s Format Lab gone?"
November 2008

"So bottom line, the Format Lab is no longer available on the web and
has cut some of its formats down to the most successful/desirable. The
www.iHeartMusic.com website seems to only list the main audio streams
of CC stations--not multicast HD formats--but does offer a few off to
the side: erockster; Pride; Verizon New Music; Smooth Jazz; Real
Oldies; Slow Jams and New Country. There used to be something close to
100 formats listed on the site... Really, the next round of budget
cuts--out of necessity--is likely going to be HD Radio equipment and
licensing renewals. It has cost broadcasters money that so far has not
generated ROI. This CC Radio news above, along with the rumors that
Citadel has told Engineering not to fix any broken HD transmitters on
AM, may be the tip of the iceberg."

http://www.rbr.com/radio/11252.html

I believe that WGY and WBBM have also turned it off - of course, all
of the Citadel AM stations have it off, at least at nighttime.

On Dec 20, 3:47*pm, wrote:
On Dec 20, 3:27 pm, elaich wrote:

wrote in news:18fe4501-a9ce-42ea-962a-
:

Not to put you on the spot but in your estimation how successful of a
year was it for iBiquitys HD radio?

More and more stations are turning it off. WTIC just joined the crowd.

Is WTIC an AM station?

Well, the FCC has been told not to consider any more actions, so the
forced inclusion of HD Radio into SIRI receivers, and the proposed
10db power increase for FM-HD is on hold:

"Lawmakers order FCC to stand down; put actions on hold"

"Senator Jay Rockefeller (D-WV) and Representative Henry Waxman (D-CA)
today called on FCC Chairman Kevin Martin to put the agency's actions
on hold unless they are urgent or required by law. Rockefeller's and
Waxman's committees both have jurisdiction over the FCC... If the FCC
indeed must stand down (an FCC spokesperson said they are reviewing
the order right now), then the WCS-SDARS issue - and even the HD Radio
mandate - would likely be put on hold until the new administration
moves in."

http://tinyurl.com/63b9wz

"Kevin Martin's FCC Dysfunctional"

"The Committee staff report details some of the most egregious abuses
of power, suppression of information and manipulation of data under
Chairman Martin’s leadership. It is my hope that this report will
serve as a roadmap for a fair, open and efficient FCC under new
leadership in the next administration.”

http://tinyurl.com/59kvkq

"Media: Bush's broken Boy Toy"

"You’re Boy Kevin Martin and you’ll be forever known by your new
acronym for the FCC – Federal Communications Crook. You wear it well.
You’re Boy Kevin Martin and you turned the FCC into your own personal
hackapalooza. Under-the-table deals were your specialty. You’re Boy
Kevin Martin and you offered your own personal directory of preferred
lobbyists to anyone wanting to buy in."

http://tinyurl.com/6bfu9o

I, among others, have been in touch with Obama's FCC transition team,
and my guess is that HD Radio will eventually get investigated.
Doubtful, that many FMs will rebuild transmitter sites for the 10db
power increase, and if there is enough of them, lawsuits will fly:

"Comments of Simmons Media Group, LLC"

"Large-market and large-group stations with more resources will be the
most likely to increase digital operating power, leaving small-market,
rural, and family-owned analog broadcasters to lose revenues from
interference while undertaking large attorney and engineering fees to
fight digital interference at the FCC."

http://tinyurl.com/6fmcx4

Struble sure has done the industry a great service, by dividing and
pitting broadcasters against one another.

On Dec 20, 3:47�pm, wrote:
On Dec 20, 3:27 pm, elaich wrote:

wrote in news:18fe4501-a9ce-42ea-962a-
:

Not to put you on the spot but in your estimation how successful of a
year was it for iBiquitys HD radio?

More and more stations are turning it off. WTIC just joined the crowd.

Is WTIC an AM station?

Here's the updated list of AM-HD stations:

http://topazdesigns.com/iboc/station-list.html